Jerry Reynolds on the Rise guys.
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bajaden
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I do not know, IF works pretty well in business
I am doing nothing in Poland now. I was born in Warsaw and lived there couple of days.... my Dad was involved in international energy business and worked/lived in like 8 countries. I grew up in Hong Kong and Macau.
I just decided to mention my birthplace (Warsaw) and my current home city (Burnaby, BC).
I think I would choose BC over Warsaw... It sounds like you had an interesting childhood though. He says with envy...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Whether anyone likes Jerry or doesn't like Jerry is probably a matter of personal taste than anything else. If we all liked the same thing it would be a boring world. However, living where I do, and traveling up to the San Diego and L A area on occasion, I have listened to the Lakers announcers on the talk shows. In my humble opinion, there is no comparison. The LA guys almost make me want to puke their so bad. They sound like their at the altar of the lakers, on their knee's in worship. On a scale of 1 to 10, Jerry is a 10 and their a 1 by comparison. With 10 being the better number, for those that can't figure it out.
BritishColumbia
Bench
I think I would choose BC over Warsaw... It sounds like you had an interesting childhood though. He says with envy...
Yes, Vancouver is better
.. I do not know Warsaw very well though, been there 2 times only. My company transferred me to BC 3.5 years ago to help its North American division, so it was not my choice but I like the area. And do not envy me, moving every 5 years is fun only first 20 years . Plus, it is getting harder and harder to learn languages.Whether anyone likes Jerry or doesn't like Jerry is probably a matter of personal taste than anything else. If we all liked the same thing it would be a boring world. However, living where I do, and traveling up to the San Diego and L A area on occasion, I have listened to the Lakers announcers on the talk shows. In my humble opinion, there is no comparison. The LA guys almost make me want to puke their so bad. They sound like their at the altar of the lakers, on their knee's in worship. On a scale of 1 to 10, Jerry is a 10 and their a 1 by comparison. With 10 being the better number, for those that can't figure it out.
The LA guys are the most annoying and arrogant ones in the world. Even people in Canada know it and they have the Montreal guys.
I don't think he's really disliked, I think we save that for Howdy "Peaches" Doody. It's just a question of whether his status as a professional homer destroys his credibility. I think it does. Others seem willing to admit that he's said some totally absurd things, but want to overlook them because they agree with him about the topic of the day. There may even be a few who think he always makes sense, despite obvious contradictions, like:
1. "The Doubinator" is great because he's a shot blocking PG
2. Shot blocking doesn't really matter
Anyway, it's not about the person, it's about the credibility of someone who's paid to keep us happy with the franchise and the FO's decisions. Opinions obviously vary.
Telemachus
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I think with JR you have to take into consideration HOW he says things. There are many times he makes statements that are obviously tongue-in-cheek or with a little exaggeration to get a laugh. And other times when he is just being serious. I also think that people tend to take "statements" out of a bigger explaination to make JR (and any celebrity) look like they said something differerent that what was actually said.
For instance, I don't know what all he said about shot-blocking not being important (all I have is the quotes repeated up above), but agree with to a certain degree. A lot of shot-blocking depends on who is doing the blocking. Guys like Hakeem or Mutumbo changed many more shots than they actually blocked and made a huge impact on the game defensively. But I have seen many "shot-blockers" that don't change many shots. They are usually primarily weak-side shot-blockers, and many of their blocked shots go right back to the opposing team. These players overall impact on the games defensively is not even worth talking about. I assume that this is what JR was talking about, but didn't hear it so I don't know.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
This in particular is something that has been completely blown out of proportion on this board. If you actually listened to what Jerry Reynolds said about this he said that if you block a shot only for it to come back into the possession of the other team and they score, you haven't really accomplished all that much. Which when you think about it, he kind of has a point. He's also brought up Bill Russell on this matter and said that he would block a shot but most of the time in an attempt to keep the ball in his teams possession, and then gushed about that kind of shotblocking.
IIRC, the gist of his argument wasn't about any particular style of shot blocking, nor did he bring up the idea that for every shot blocked, a couple more might be altered, and that yet more shots might be bungled or skipped because of the shot blocker's presence. It ran more like: when you steal the ball, you just get it. Shot blocking is seriously overrated because sometimes the ball will go out of bounds, or be collected by the other team. Shot blocking is therefore not something that we should be very concerned about.
Others who heard JR's monologue on that particular subject may remember more details.
Telemachus
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I know that is how it always seems to happen when the Kings block shots. I get exited because we block a shot only to see it get picked up by the other team, who now gets an easy basket because the defense has broken down.
ITSCdanimal
G-League
Thanks to the last two posters for mentioning this. Jerry usually - check that, he ONLY mentions that shotblocking can be an overrated statistic when someone like Josh Smith swats one into the stands, does a lot of posturing and posing, and in the meanwhile the opposing team gets the ball back and scores.
Suppose Theo Ratliff, one of the more dominant shot blockers in league history and a franchise cornerstone over the course of his career, blocks a staggering 4 shots a game. Assuming that only half of those shots would've gone in, he's saving 4 points per. Take into account that opposing team would've recovered and converted the occasional swat, and we're not talking about the most important column in the stat sheet to fill. Yeah, I understand that a player who is a presence in the middle can change shots without blocking them, but fact is that a team can be good defensively without a guy like Ratliff, Bol, or Bradley.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
When Jerry made his orginal comment, he was talking about defense in general and how team defense was more important than individual defense. He never said that he wouldn't want a shotblocker, he just said that he thought it was overrated in the overall scheme of things. And then he explained why. I believe that he was being serious in those statements. When he was talking about Douby, I think that was Jerry the PR man. Anyway, I personaly like Jerry. I just think you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Grant however is an aqquired taste. Orginally coming from St. Louis, and being used to more caustic talk show hosts, he doesn't bother me that much. The one thing I always liked about Grant is that his show is just about sports. Koz used to bug me at times because he would go off in an entirely different direction and would spend an entire hour or two talking about a concert he went to, or some such thing. Once again, its a personal taste thing. Some love him, and some hate him. One thing is for sure, Grant is a polarizing personality..
Chupacabra
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I think the reason so many Kings fans are in love with ricky rubio is because they saw a guy making fancy passes and they were reminded of Jason Williams. Then that brought on the nostalgia of the exciting Sacramento team of old.
JR is a good commentator, and I wouldn't be happy at all if i couldn't watch him 79+ times a year. Napear is replaceable, JR has too much inside knowledge of the FO and basketball in general. I watched the 2008 Mcdonald All american game, and as you all already know, Evans was MVP. I think he has a south paw as well, and he is going to be a nightmare for any body who isn't named Kobe/Lebron/Artest/AK47. We don't need to talk him up very much because he has a show and prove attitude, which makes me want to bet that the kings cover the spread. Rubio < Sergio...imo, it made no sense to take someone who is probably a lesser player, and injury prone. like JR said 4 of 10 in the lottery aren't going to warrant their spot and salary.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I'm actually a bit dumbfounded ed at Jerry being singled out as a real homer. He's a generally positive guy and he comments on the good things about a lot of players, including non-Kings players. Which is why I was surprised at his seeming diss of Rubio. I have to think he is just tired of the Rubio "homers."
You are mistaking JR for a reporter or third party commentator. He is not. It is not his job to provide you with the inner workings of the team, in-house disagreements or negative analysis of the team's performance. He and Geoff both have pointed out areas where improvement needs to be made, but don't expect harsh assessments or criticisms of particular players. That's in-house stuff you're not going to hear from King's employees.
Have any of the team's employees ever publicly, seriously criticized anything about the Kings? Do you go out of your way to criticize your employer to your clients? As an employee of the team, it's his job to support the business by emphasizing the good things in public comments and softening the negative. So he's being criticized for being a good, loyal employee. Geesh. If your a boss, I hope you're hiring enemies set on publicly criticizing everything you do, especially to your customers/clients.
On the other hand, if you're a news reporter or general commentator (not associated with a team) on the NBA, then it is your job to present the good, bad and the ugly. That's why people are concerned that Napear plays both sides. He's an employees of MSE and an employee of the local radio station. Personally, I don't think the local radio station is going to hire someone who bashes the local team a lot, so it doesn't bother me too much
You are mistaking JR for a reporter or third party commentator. He is not. It is not his job to provide you with the inner workings of the team, in-house disagreements or negative analysis of the team's performance. He and Geoff both have pointed out areas where improvement needs to be made, but don't expect harsh assessments or criticisms of particular players. That's in-house stuff you're not going to hear from King's employees.
Have any of the team's employees ever publicly, seriously criticized anything about the Kings? Do you go out of your way to criticize your employer to your clients? As an employee of the team, it's his job to support the business by emphasizing the good things in public comments and softening the negative. So he's being criticized for being a good, loyal employee. Geesh. If your a boss, I hope you're hiring enemies set on publicly criticizing everything you do, especially to your customers/clients.
On the other hand, if you're a news reporter or general commentator (not associated with a team) on the NBA, then it is your job to present the good, bad and the ugly. That's why people are concerned that Napear plays both sides. He's an employees of MSE and an employee of the local radio station. Personally, I don't think the local radio station is going to hire someone who bashes the local team a lot, so it doesn't bother me too much
fxhsurjono
G-League
The more I hear about stuff like this the more I believe that tyreke will b great I mean I was a rubio fan and was dissapointed when he wasn't drafted but when I read stuff like this and seeing the way rubio is acting now with him trying to sign with barcelona I think we were lucky not to pick him up I'm lad were not minny right now
Chupacabra
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Wrong. If that were the case then according to the front office they would have just picked Rubio, but they didnt. Besides, Ridnour isnt legit starting point guard material and Evans was the 4th pick in the draft. If Evans end up being awesome, are all the salty Rubio supporters going to like Evans?
Has everyone forgotten ricky rubio was the only lottery pick that refused to do predraft workouts? Doesnt that seem suspicious to anyone?
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Gary
All-Star
I'm going to chime in here..
I believe Jerry to a point. I think they were interested in Rubio or they wouldn't have had him come to Sac but obviously when it was all said and done they wanted Tyreke over Rubio.
What I want to see is the front office prove me wrong. Rather than a bunch of iso BBall I would like to see movement. I would like to see Evans improve at the drive and kick, and his outside shooting. Also needs to limit those dumb TOs we saw in VSL where it would go off his foot or he would be out of bounds. I am not looking for Evans to be a pure point though because his game will never be that of a pure point, but I would like to see him be able to make others around him better because of his ability to see the floor. If not then we are in for a few long years.
I will disagree with his take on Rubio as well. I believe Reynolds is making an assumption on a kid who is only 18 years old. Luke and Ricky are two different people and I think Ricky will be twice the player Luke ever was.
I believe Jerry to a point. I think they were interested in Rubio or they wouldn't have had him come to Sac but obviously when it was all said and done they wanted Tyreke over Rubio.
What I want to see is the front office prove me wrong. Rather than a bunch of iso BBall I would like to see movement. I would like to see Evans improve at the drive and kick, and his outside shooting. Also needs to limit those dumb TOs we saw in VSL where it would go off his foot or he would be out of bounds. I am not looking for Evans to be a pure point though because his game will never be that of a pure point, but I would like to see him be able to make others around him better because of his ability to see the floor. If not then we are in for a few long years.
I will disagree with his take on Rubio as well. I believe Reynolds is making an assumption on a kid who is only 18 years old. Luke and Ricky are two different people and I think Ricky will be twice the player Luke ever was.
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Kingster
Hall of Famer
Nice try. Trying to change the subject. Didn't work. Try again.
I listened to Peter King on Grant's show also. You obviously missed the point. King said that people in Sacramento probally don't care about the city of New York trying to treat an athlete the same as an ordinary resident. Grant asked about Antonio Pierce who had just finished appearing in front of the grand jury. It was the his last question and was topical. I hate the Giants, but I wanted to hear his answer. Pierce is their best defensive player and as an Eagles fan I was glad he asked the question. As far as Jerry, it's pretty obvious the Kings didn't like Rubio. He was just telling the truth.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ah. Nice to see that he is still an idiot.
The Rubio thing...well, since Jerry obviously isn't the one calling the shots, I would assume that that was Geoff's opinion as well. Carries more weight.
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AriesMar27
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geoff thought that douby could play pg too.... how much more weight does it carry when you really think about? geoff thought that trading webber for kenny thomas, corliss and skinner was a good deal in some weird acid trip type of way.
petrie hasnt had all of his marbles since the bibby/jwill trade... that was the height of his jedi power, after that his best moves were signing keon and jim jackson... and we've been progressively worse since that point. ive liked a couple of moves but in that same time frane the pistons, and heat won a title and the mavs actually made it to the finals. hell steve nash won mvp twice, he was bibby's practice dummy. how did we fall off so fast when there were no great teams in our way to winning a ring? half of webber was/is better than anything we've had at pf since the day he was traded. same goes for bibby. we watched them and criticized them so much that we forgot that they were great players.
Uncia03
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If Duncan had sustained that injury during that play-offs rather than Webber, I think it completely changes the NBA landscape. You could probably say the same regarding McGrady and Kobe, if you swapped their injuries, again the landscape changes.
Pietre put together the pieces to win a championship, but once Webber went down, our window closed.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, the smartest thing we could have done would have been to trade all our pieces right then. Peja was in the discussion for MVP during the first half of the year prior to Webber returning, so trading him then, along with Bibby and Miller, all while their value was exceptionally high would have been better for this franchise.
Of course something like that would never happen, as no team would ever do something like that. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is a championship, so looking back, it would have been the smartest move on our part.
With all that said, I'm extremely excited about this upcoming year. I don't think we're going to be winning a lot of games, but we should be watching a young team learn how to play with each other, learn a system on both sides of the ball, and hustle every night. It will be great to have a real coach as well. We need some sort of stability there.
The most frustrating thing about watching the games the last two years has been the coaches refusal to let the young guys get the minutes befitting a bad team. This year, there are no excuses. The young guys will get their minutes, and we'll be able to look at each one to see whether they have what it takes to be an important piece on a championship team. Right now the only concern I have is with Donte/Casspi, and would love to see a trade which would free up the logjam there so we can assess both of these guys.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
No, because he agrees with me it must be wrong!And because he doesn't agree with you it must be even more wrong!
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AriesMar27
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injuries are part of the game, its up to the gm to make the right moves to make up for it. petrie didnt, webber got hurt and he traded for divacs back up/replacement..... miller. we havent had a decent pf since that day and webber went down back in 2003. its 2009...... and we dont know if thompson will be that player so we might not have a competetive pf for the better part of a decade. thats horrible.
on top of that we have had some of the worst coaches in the past couple of years and we dont know how the new coach will work out. without a coach we can depend on how can petrie build a competetive team? larry brown, don nelson, van gundy and eddie jordan might not be the best coaches for this job but at least we would have an identity and more importantly the same coach for more than 2 years.... i wouldve killed to have neslon or brown as head coach instead of mussleman... everyone wouldve complained that we wouldnt play defense under nelson or the young players wouldnt get the minutes with brown but guess what? we dont play defense now and the youngster werent getting any minutes with muss or theus.
granted van gundy wouldve sucked because his substitutions are even worse than adelmans.... but at least rick could coach his *** off. now we have a team with the worst record in the nba, no big name star player or coach and people wonder why we suck. if players like thompson and hawes cant crack the rotation with miller and moore as starting bigs maybe they really arent that good.... i wouldnt mind a big name coach, at least we could say that we have a big name something on this team.
There's a lot I agree with here...
First, I totally agree about the devastating effect Webber's collapse in Dallas had on the franchise, even though we - the fans - and the team tried valiantly to discount it and get past it.
Webber WAS the Kings back then, with as well-matched a supporting team as one could ever hope for. Once he was removed from the picture, and even worse when someone looking like him but with diminishing capacities returned to the team, there was just no way to get back to where we were before.
It has been a painful period for all of us, from the lowliest fan to the top people on the MSE organizational chart, to live through - to try and get back to where we're even going in the right direction, let alone getting close to the end of the journey.
Yes, mistakes have been made. But at this point, I too see this year as the first time we can actually look to the future instead of attempting once again to relive the past.
I'm excited about Coach Westphal, I'm very happy with Tyreke, Omri, Jon and Sergio, and I'm hoping Sean May can show some of the skills and talents that he had in college.
The only area where I disagree is in the idea that we need to "free up the logjam" to be able to properly assess Greene/Casspi. I'd rather see this year be the assessment year, the season when they try all the various combinations during games and see which ones work best under which circumstances.
The only modification I would make to your comment is one word - I think at this point "contending" is the first step. Once we get back to the land of elite teams, then we can assess whether or not the pieces are "championship" caliber. And you only learn that, IMHO, but competing at the highest level against the best in the league, not as underdogs but as legitimate rivals for the one shiny bauble.
You know, at some point you just have to quit revisiting the past, especially since how you view it now is never going to be the same as how it looked when it was happening.
woulda/coulda/shoulda...you know?
kupman
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I also like the post. When Webber went down with the knee injury it was pretty much the equivalent of about 85 million being flushed. That is very difficult for any sports franchise to recover from when you arr talking about guaranteed contracts.
Back more on topic: did any notice that JR mentioned Kmart spending some time at the #3 (VF?). I have discussed this before, and as usual, most people think I am out in left field. Maybe I am, but at least I have JR as some company.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Back more on topic: did any notice that JR mentioned Kmart spending some time at the #3 (VF?). I have discussed this before, and as usual, most people think I am out in left field. Maybe I am, but at least I have JR as some company.
Never take being in the company of a guy with a career 56-114 record as a coach as a compliment.
And as an aside, teh Webber thing is a very poor excuse. Its a very good excuse for the golden era ending. That is fine, would have happened to any team. Its a very poor excuse for tying an NBA record for most consecutive years of futility and failed rebuilding. In fact quite the opposite, having such a clear cut enormous event happen should have made the rebuild MORE obvious, not less. It was certainly obvious enough to a number of us fans.
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bloom
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Jerry seemed a little irked when he was talking…I think what the Sacramento fans need is to see Tyreke play…but most likely this debate among some fans will continue until both Tyreke and Rubio play and then look down 2-3 years down the line and see where they are. Until then I’m happy that we have Tyreke here. I will support him just like I support all our draft picks and hopefully he’ll be a wonderful addition to this team. I just want all these guys to be able to lean on each other and have great camaraderie with one another. I know the journey back to the top (hopefully a ring) will take a while but I’m crossing my fingers that with our new coach and some new players we’ll take bigger leaps than I anticipate.
Back more on topic: did any notice that JR mentioned Kmart spending some time at the #3 (VF?). I have discussed this before, and as usual, most people think I am out in left field. Maybe I am, but at least I have JR as some company.
I totally missed that, but it makes sense to me, to a point. We could play something like: Rodriguez/Udrih, Evans/Garcia, Martin/Garcia, Nocioni/Brockman, and Hawes/JT and have interesting offensive possibilities as a small ball team. That would at once minimize the risk of a combo guard who might not be able to make the change, and deal with our lack of a backup C. If we weren't going to try something like that, the lack of a backup C would leave me wondering what the heck the FO was thinking. Playing Evans and Martin at once (as 1 and 2) also leaves me wondering who is going to be making assists, yet there is no way that benching either one of them would be popular, so something like the above gets the coach and FO out of that dilemma.
Whether we could play small successfully against most opponents is something I feel doubtful about, but it does seem worth a try. It's not like we had anything to lose.
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