Jerry Reynolds on the Rise guys.

[beb0p]

Actually, I thought you were being way too generous with the Mark Jackson comparison. I believe that Jackson is the number two leader in career assists in the NBA. Right behind Stockton. Not bad for an unathletic, undersized, can't shoot pt guard.

Ha, ha. That's why I said "absolute best case", like Tyreke Evans' best case is Dwayne Wade. Also why I was thinking of Ridnour as a more realistic comparison. But even I have to admit Rubio is likely to be a little better than Ridnour.

Anyway, Mark Jackson played 16 years in the league, 15 of them as a starter. If Ridnour plays as many games as Jackson, his career stats would look pretty impressive too.

 

[Chupacabra]

lol im just glad more people are finally taking a dump on Rubio hes hot garbage.

 

[fnordius]

Do not get me wrong .. I understand that it is Jerry's job to say that. And Gavin is not a stupid and naive man at all - he just wanna sell tickets and market the product. However, do not you want them to be more sophisticated about it or at least, less predictable or hyperbolic?

You mean that when, a couple of years ago, Jerry coined the nickname "the Doubinator" you didn't start thinking of Douby as an unstoppable killing machine?

Actually, I find Jerry's alleged opinions kind of useful. I can always use what he says to get a feel for what he thinks MS&E would like us to hear. He isn't always right, but it's unusual that he hypes something without reason. In that way, he can be a helpful sort of Kings weathervane. And it beats trying to figure out what Geoff's poker face and oodlings mean.

 

[kingsnation]

Just because Jerry said the Kings weren't interested in Rubio doesn't mean it's true. This could also be a ploy to calm the fans who actually were upset that Rubio wasn't picked.

None of us know for sure. But whatever it was, certainly there's bust potential with Rubio, but there's also star potential. I won't make up my mind until he actually steps foot on an NBA court. And I'm certianly not ready to label him Luke Ridnour.

 

[VF21]

Unfortunately I'm also old enough to have seen Frasier play. I also remember when they paired up Frasier with Earl the pearl Monroe. All the critic's said it wouldn't work because they both needed the ball in their hands to be effective. Sound familiar? They both played the point, but Monroe was more of a pure point guard. They went on to become one of the best backcourts in NBA history.

Unfortunately? I look it as being one of the blessings of being older than dirt that I, too, can remember Frasier...and most of the others in the Top 50 of all time.

 

[VF21]

Just because Jerry said the Kings weren't interested in Rubio doesn't mean it's true. This could also be a ploy to calm the fans who actually were upset that Rubio wasn't picked.

None of us know for sure. But whatever it was, certainly there's bust potential with Rubio, but there's also star potential. I won't make up my mind until he actually steps foot on an NBA court. And I'm certianly not ready to label him Luke Ridnour.

At this point, I think people need to accept the fact that the Kings were NOT interested in Rubio. And it's not just Reynolds saying it... It's not a ploy to "calm the fans." The front office of an NBA team doesn't draft to please the fans. There are any number of examples that prove this pretty clearly.

You can say "none of us know for sure" but I think there's every indication that Rubio did NOT impress and was not under serious consideration at any point. We can argue it forever but I'm pretty sure - based on what I've seen and heard - that we got exactly who we wanted all along with the #4 pick.

But this isn't another Rubio thread. It's about Reynolds on the Rise Guys. I know it's fashionable around here to dump on Reynolds but he does know the game and he knows the team. And he's well-respected throughout the NBA.

As far as him being "more sophisticated," I couldn't give a rat's patoot about that. I've seen him a number of times, and he's always personable, friendly, etc. He's a great front man for the Kings and he does know the game.

 

[NME]

Just because Jerry said the Kings weren't interested in Rubio doesn't mean it's true. This could also be a ploy to calm the fans who actually were upset that Rubio wasn't picked.

So, secretly the Kings wanted Rubio, but instead they decided to pass on him, draft a player they thought was worse, and then send Jerry out to lie about it all? Nefarious!

 

[kingsnation]

Don't misunderstand my post. I believe the Kings got who they wanted as well, Tyreke Evans.

But I'm not sure I'm buying that they would've picked Flynn over Rubio.

And I also think the Luke Ridnour comment is a bit far-fetched.

 

[BritishColumbia]

You mean that when, a couple of years ago, Jerry coined the nickname "the Doubinator" you didn't start thinking of Douby as an unstoppable killing machine?

Actually, I find Jerry's alleged opinions kind of useful. I can always use what he says to get a feel for what he thinks MS&E would like us to hear. He isn't always right, but it's unusual that he hypes something without reason. In that way, he can be a helpful sort of Kings weathervane. And it beats trying to figure out what Geoff's poker face and oodlings mean.

IMO, if we had Rubio (instead of Evans), he would signing poems about his court vision, Maravicheque skills etc. and bashing Tyreke and his PG skill set. And it does not matter what he really thinks, it is about energizing fans and selling tickets. It is a business first and foremost.

 

[ReturnOfTheKings]

He also said that Rubio was not under consideration at the #4 pick, that we liked Flynn better.

Personally I thought they were going to Grab Flynn. I actually preferred him over Rubio.

Very interesting interview. He's got a good point about the Celtics and Lakers not having a true point. If we had a true point we may get some better passing but we wont really get any penetration or improve. Not unless someone else steps up and can get in the paint at will and who on the team would that be? it wouldnt be Rubio. As much as I liked Flynn, Flynn cant penetrate at will and dominate other guards like Evans. More and more I like this pick.

With a hybrid style player like Evans, we get a guy who can play point and someone who can penetrate and open up defenses at will. I'm betting that Evans will improve on the point and he's going to do a lot of dishing out the ball the way Kevin Johnson did with the Suns of the past.

 

[BritishColumbia]

As far as him being "more sophisticated," I couldn't give a rat's patoot about that. I've seen him a number of times, and he's always personable, friendly, etc. He's a great front man for the Kings and he does know the game.

Do not play with my sentence, please. I said - "However, do not you want them to be more sophisticated about it". We were talking about his PR stuff.
It has nothing to do with his personality or overall skills as a manager.

 

[fnordius]

So, secretly the Kings wanted Rubio, but instead they decided to pass on him, draft a player they thought was worse, and then send Jerry out to lie about it all? Nefarious!

Well, they were too embarassed to say that the entire FO took 3 or 4 days off when Ricky Rubio was in town because, although they had no interest in drafting him, they thought his mom's accent was hella sexy.

 

[bajaden]

So, secretly the Kings wanted Rubio, but instead they decided to pass on him, draft a player they thought was worse, and then send Jerry out to lie about it all? Nefarious!

Now I'm really confused..

 

[bajaden]

IMO, if we had Rubio (instead of Evans), he would signing poems about his court vision, Maravicheque skills etc. and bashing Tyreke and his PG skill set. And it does not matter what he really thinks, it is about energizing fans and selling tickets. It is a business first and foremost.

My grandmother always said that, IF, was for children. Probably because I said it all the time. However if you just follow the trail of facts. He said that they never considered Rubio. They liked Flynn better than Rubio. There were only two impact, or potential star players in the draft. Griffin, and Evans. Obviously they couldn't draft Griffin. They had their choice of Rubio, Evans, and Flynn. They chose Evans. So one could conclude that Reynolds was telling the truth about that part.

Jerry is usually considerate of players, and for him to make that strong a statement about Rubio, which wasn't really necessary, there may be some truth to his opinion. I'm not saying he's right, but he may really believe that. Either that, or Rubio and family rubbed someone the wrong way when he was here.

The more important question is what the hell are you doing in Warsaw Poland?

 

[bajaden]

Well, they were too embarassed to say that the entire FO took 3 or 4 days off when Ricky Rubio was in town because, although they had no interest in drafting him, they thought his mom's accent was hella sexy.

Ah ha! The truth finally comes out...

 

[Chupacabra]

My grandmother always said that, IF, was for children. Probably because I said it all the time. However if you just follow the trail of facts. He said that they never considered Rubio. They liked Flynn better than Rubio. There were only two impact, or potential star players in the draft. Griffin, and Evans. Obviously they couldn't draft Griffin. They had their choice of Rubio, Evans, and Flynn. They chose Evans. So one could conclude that Reynolds was telling the truth about that part.

Jerry is usually considerate of players, and for him to make that strong a statement about Rubio, which wasn't really necessary, there may be some truth to his opinion. I'm not saying he's right, but he may really believe that. Either that, or Rubio and family rubbed someone the wrong way when he was here.

The more important question is what the hell are you doing in Warsaw Poland?

Think of how Luke Ridnour must feel.

 

[NME]

My grandmother always said that, IF, was for children. Probably because I said it all the time. However if you just follow the trail of facts. He said that they never considered Rubio. They liked Flynn better than Rubio. There were only two impact, or potential star players in the draft. Griffin, and Evans. Obviously they couldn't draft Griffin. They had their choice of Rubio, Evans, and Flynn. They chose Evans. So one could conclude that Reynolds was telling the truth about that part.

Also, in the days leading up to the draft the word out was exactly that the Kings preferred Evans and Flynn (in that order) over Rubio. At the time, it very possibly could have been a smoke-screen to discourage teams from trading ahead of the Kings to grab Rubio, but given what the Kings actually did, it's evident that the word was at face value.

 

[kennadog]

Think of how Luke Ridnour must feel.

He's probably thinking, "Wow, Jerry Reynolds thinks I'm as good as Rubio!"

I think that JR is usually an optimistic person, a glass half-full sort. He usually looks for the good in situations and people. Nothing wrong with that. So it is a little surprisomg for him to say that about Rubio. I, too, got the clear impression that Evans and Flynn were pretty far ahead in the minds of the Kings. GP was clearly excited and happy right after they selected Evans. That's who the Kings wanted, period.

 

[BritishColumbia]

My grandmother always said that, IF, was for children. Probably because I said it all the time.

I do not know, IF works pretty well in business

The more important question is what the hell are you doing in Warsaw Poland?

I am doing nothing in Poland now. I was born in Warsaw and lived there couple of days .... my Dad was involved in international energy business and worked/lived in like 8 countries. I grew up in Hong Kong and Macau.
I just decided to mention my birthplace (Warsaw) and my current home city (Burnaby, BC).

 

[Kingster]

JR also said that Douby could play the point and block shots are useless because you don't get the ball on most of them.

I like JR, I think he's a funny guy, but were talking about the director of player personnel who has taken a team from 61 wins to 17 wins in 7 years.

When it comes to Reynolds talking about the draft, you might as well be listening to Petrie; one and the same. And their draft track record is good. So, it doesn't bolster the argument to point to the 7 year record when factors like age, Webber's injury, the rebuild vs. refurbish strategy, and FA, all contributed to the demise. Poor draft picks have not been a factor in the poor seven year performance.

 

[Kingster]

I never thought I'd say this, but THANK YOU JERRY REYNOLDS! Somebody has to say Rubio is nothing special, may as well be a guy from the Kings' FO.

Guess I will miss the uproar and anger that I received when I compared Rubio to Mark Jackson as being the absolute best case scenario. I was going to compare Ridnour to Rubio but then figured that would have probably gotten me banned.

Instead, it means that you should apply for a job in front office!

 

[Kingster]

Think of how Luke Ridnour must feel.

I think all the people that wanted Rubio should now be advocating that we trade for Ridnour! I've got it - Martin for Ridnour! Then we'll finally have our point guard!

 

[VF21]

Do not play with my sentence, please. I said - "However, do not you want them to be more sophisticated about it". We were talking about his PR stuff.
It has nothing to do with his personality or overall skills as a manager.

Then what do you mean? And I'm not being facetious or sarcastic. I really don't understand what you meant...

 

[fnordius]

Jerry is usually considerate of players, and for him to make that strong a statement about Rubio, which wasn't really necessary, there may be some truth to his opinion. I'm not saying he's right, but he may really believe that. Either that, or Rubio and family rubbed someone the wrong way when he was here.

If you listen to the little bit of context at the start, it seems that the Rise Guys were taking some calls from fans who weren't universally thrilled with the Evans pick, and then Jerry called in to have his say. He may well believe what he said. He may be doing an improved version of Gavin's post-draft rant as additional PR damage control. Or both. With Jerry, the only thing you can be sure of is that he's almost certainly not contradicting the MS&E party line of the moment.

 

[PurpleHaze]

If you listen to the little bit of context at the start, it seems that the Rise Guys were taking some calls from fans who weren't universally thrilled with the Evans pick, and then Jerry called in to have his say. He may well believe what he said. He may be doing an improved version of Gavin's post-draft rant as additional PR damage control. Or both. With Jerry, the only thing you can be sure of is that he's almost certainly not contradicting the MS&E party line of the moment.

When has JR ever contradicted the Kings party line for a second - going back to when he was with the team back in KC? I've never had a beef the "Hick from French Lick" (except maybe during his short stint as Sac Kings Head Coach) and think he's sometimes unfairly ridiculed since Jerry definitely knows a lot about the NBA.

I reserve my criticism and scorn for his pompous blowhard Kings TV broadcast partner. Not to go off too much on the other dude (oh, why not), but today on his sports radio program with partner Mike Lamb they were talking to NFL expert Peter King. Suddenly, King seemed rather taken back because Peaches was asking him about some reserve NY Giants players status in the middle of King trying diligently to talk about NFL in general and specifically Raiders and 49ers - obviously knowing he was on a Northern California station. Peter King said in jest something like, "well Grant not to go into all this too much with your Sacramento audience..." I've said it a zillion times: Grant Napear is not, never has been, acts like he could care less, even despises ALL Northern California sports teams. The arrogance, in constantly shoving HIS NY Giants, HIS NY Yankees, etc. - is SO boring, SO disgustingly OLD after decades of putting up with the same old BS! OK, it's just one more rant that has to be put out there from time-to-time. Now the sacred moment JR finally puts the blithering idiot in his place is the moment he elevates to seeing his name, number, Hoosier necktie, retired by the Kings organization

 

[ParniValjak]

THis is the same Jerry Reynolds that say shot blocking is over-rated because you don't get the ball back. The same Jerry Reynolds that for years has been talking how Kenny Thomas is a tough match up for the opposition teams because of his quickness!

C'mon, anything he say should be taken with a grain of salt! Biggest hommie going around.

 

[Chupacabra]

THis is the same Jerry Reynolds that say shot blocking is over-rated because you don't get the ball back. The same Jerry Reynolds that for years has been talking how Kenny Thomas is a tough match up for the opposition teams because of his quickness!

C'mon, anything he say should be taken with a grain of salt! Biggest hommie going around.

The few dumb things hes said are FAR outweighed by the many years of wise/smart things hes said and done. You have to take his statement for what it is and stop parading this as a conspiracy to cover up a supposed botched draft pick in order to please the fans. What Reynolds said was that Tyreke was the favorite to be drafted ever since the kings drew the 4th pick in the lottery. What Reynolds also said was that Rubio wasnt even the 2nd player the Kings entertained picking, it was Johny Flynn. He continued to maybe uncharacteristicaly call out Ricky Rubio as a bust (which he is).
After all what sounds more believable? The Kings liked Evans more than Rubio and decided to select Evans with the pick, or the Kings liked Rubio more but instead decided to draft a worse player just for the hell of it and then send out Jerry Reynolds to calm down all the Rubio jockers? I cant believe people think Rubio is going to be an amazing player, its silly.

 

[Section 101]

When it comes to Reynolds talking about the draft, you might as well be listening to Petrie; one and the same. And their draft track record is good. So, it doesn't bolster the argument to point to the 7 year record when factors like age, Webber's injury, the rebuild vs. refurbish strategy, and FA, all contributed to the demise. Poor draft picks have not been a factor in the poor seven year performance.

But according the JR the draft is not the way to rebuild, trades are the way. How is that one working out?

 

[kingsnation]

You have to take his statement for what it is and stop parading this as a conspiracy to cover up a supposed botched draft pick in order to please the fans. ... He continued to maybe uncharacteristicaly call out Ricky Rubio as a bust (which he is).
After all what sounds more believable? The Kings liked Evans more than Rubio and decided to select Evans with the pick, or the Kings liked Rubio more but instead decided to draft a worse player just for the hell of it and then send out Jerry Reynolds to calm down all the Rubio jockers?

Ok, I don't believe anyone is saying that it was a "botched" draft pick, and there is certainly no conspiracy. However, this Kings FO knows that many fans, not just on this board, were extremely enamored with Ricky Rubio. Whether it be because of youtube, his potential or the fact that JR and the FO seemed as if they were courting Rubio for the longest time.
JR coming out and saying these things isn't because they're afraid they drafted the worst player or anything like that.

I believe one reason JR has become so vehemently ANTI-Rubio is because if the Kings FO paints him as the next Ridnour, there will be many fans who will say "Wow, I wanted Rubio at first... but now I'm glad we drafted Reke."

So, in summary I do believe 100 % that the Kings wanted Reke 1st and then maybe even Flynn second. I believe they are painting a downgraded picture of Rubio, so that many who are still wanting Rubio will begin to appreciate the Evans pick more.

 

[AriesMar27]

i dont live in sacramento i live in los angeles so i dont listen to jerry reynolds unless im watching a kings game on league pass so i dont have much of an opinion of what he does or doesnt know. but if he is like the hype men in los angeles then i honestly dont have a reason to believe anything he says. they dont know anything until after the fact. they speak in hindsight, the only difference is that they get the info before we(the fans) do.

for mwhat i can tell he is just like john ireland and stu jackson here in la. they just talk and have no real insight. im sure he thought douby was gonna be a great pg when he was drafted. so his opinion of rubio does nothing for me. in fact ridnour would be the best pg on our team if he were here. id rather have him than beno, if he were here luke would be our starting pg without a doubt and evans would be coming off the bench. we would still suck but thats gonna happen anyways. i find it hilarious that everyone seems to be jumping on jerry's anti-rubio bandwagon just so he can hype up evans...

what ever happened to everyone disliking jerry reynolds like in this old thread?
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29598&highlight=jerry+reynolds