If Mike Bibby is Traded, Who is the Point Guard

[Purple Reign]

Who is the PRIMARY point guard. That starts and/or gets the bulk of the minutes as the playmaker, and the one who brings the ball up. Just asking? It's not that the Kings have a lot of options. And the ones they do have are risky at best in my opinion.

 

[DocHolliday]

Personally I would like to see Price. I like his style, hustle, defense and an improving shot. I think you throw him in the fire, and he will get exponentially better with consistant playtime. I'm personally not a huge fan of Douby. He's Mike Bibby probably with better defense. He's a 2 guard in a 1 guard's body. I want a point guard, Ronnie Price is more of a point.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i'd hand the keys ovr to ronnie or quincy let em run

there are other options on this team. we do have garcia & salmons who r capable ball handlers. we could try to run some of the offense through the high post too.

 

[Purple Reign]

I would really like to see the ball in Francisco's hands as much as possible. He needs to be on the floor. And if Artest stays, point guard is the only place Francisco will get significant minutes outside of being the backup small forward.

 

[DocHolliday]

Francisco can handle the ball, but he's not neccessarily a point guard. I think of what we have for now Ronnie is our best bet for the time being, unless something comes down the pipe, but we a re-building. I think he's a point we could build with.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Assuming there's no point guard returning in a trade and the current Kings roster remains, here's how I see it. Francisco Garcia starts at point guard with Ron Artest as point forward sharing some of the push up court. Artest did the same last year quite a bit and has done it throughout his career. Intense pressure and general havoc on the defensive end created by Garcia and Artest together in the back court would thrill Kings fans - having been starved of it for years. I think former NBA PG Reggie Theus at about 6'7 sees a bit of himself in about 6'7 Garcia - thus wanting to "use Cisco differently" this season.

 

[piksi]

Brad Miller is most qualified.

We don't need a PG really. We need to lose and lose a lot so we can draft a really good one

 

[Warhawk]

I'd almost want to say Garcia primarily, but maybe do it by platoon with the young-uns too. Give the guys some burn and see what we have in them.

Obviously, if something comes back in trade that is a promising PG all bets are off.

 

[Bricklayer]

Might have needed an "other" option here. If the trde went down as reported, the "other" might have been Damon Jones, just as a low minute placeholder until/unless one of the kids (Price, Douby, even Cisco) displaced him.

Also wonder how Reggie's own experience as a 6'7" PG might predispose him to actually consider either Cisco or Salmons (another "other") for the job.

 

[VF21]

Who is the PRIMARY point guard. That starts and/or gets the bulk of the minutes as the playmaker, and the one who brings the ball up. Just asking? It's not that the Kings have a lot of options. And the ones they do have are risky at best in my opinion.

Gotta question why Douby isn't on that list. I know you're a fan of Cisco's but I'm not in any way ready to see him at point guard, especially since my spidey sense tells me he's going to have to start at SF when we trade Artest (and I do think we'll trade Artest).

EDIT: Oops. Should have read ALL the responses, since Brick brought up pretty much my main point.

 

[PurpleHaze]

When Theus and the Kings came to Sac in '85 the team had a trio (or even four) "starting" guards. 6'7 Reggie Theus listed as starting PG. 6'4 Larry Drew listed as PG. 6'5 Mike Woodson listed as SG. 6'7 Eddie Johnson listed as starting SF but playing SG out on the wing occasionally. Often when Larry Drew was in the game Theus was moved to SG. That team from the '85-'86 season "shocked the world" or at least everyone in Sacramento by getting into the playoffs, but quickly sent packing by the Houston Rockets. Maybe Theus can revive such magic in his first year as head coach in Sac by getting his roster in order for a playoff push - shocking again - yes!

 

[dude12]

let em play

First post....nice forum. I think the Kings can get away with using Price and Douby at the PG spot as long as Cisco or Artest are at the 3. Truth be told, I'm not a big Salmons fan as he just doesn't do enough on offense for me, although I think he's capable. Cisco is a facillitator and the offense can easily run through him. Call me crazy but I think Artest could also run the offense to some point. I think he's a capable passer when he stays in the offense and doesn't try to takeover.....that will be Theus' problem to control. I like Price's defense at the point, reminds me of Bobby Jackson a little. He's an improving ballhandler and passer and someone who can knock down an outside shot and get to the rim. I agree that Douby is more like Bibby but with the defense. That works for me. He's a long-armed guy who plays the passing lanes and can knock down a 3. The Kings need guys on the floor to be able to knock down a 3 to spread the defense out. That would open it up for Artest down low or Hawes or even Reef if he's getting PT.

All I know, is that I'm ready to see the Kings put some pressure on the opposing PG. I'd be totally willing to see us use Price and Douby.

 

[Purple Reign]

Gotta question why Douby isn't on that list. I know you're a fan of Cisco's but I'm not in any way ready to see him at point guard, especially since my spidey sense tells me he's going to have to start at SF when we trade Artest (and I do think we'll trade Artest).

EDIT: Oops. Should have read ALL the responses, since Brick brought up pretty much my main point.

I don't see Douby as a point guard. To me he seems like a Kevin Martin clone. Did he play point in college? I know in what little time he played last year he may have played the 1 some. But if the kings brass thought Douby was an option at point, i would think they would have given him more of a look last season.

 

[Kingster]

Francisco, Price, Douby. And it would be great for their development (and future value) to have them all get playing time at the point. That's why I have no problem trading Bibby without getting another mediocre veteran pg in return.

It's going to depend on match-ups. I'd like to see Frisco on the floor as much as possible though. I really like the guard lineup of Frisco and Martin because of their size, and Martin is so quick that it's feasible for him to guard many point guards. Both players are very good at posting up smaller guards on the offensive end, so it can really create some problems for opposing teams. That big guard lineup can be very effective with a press and trap, and they can rebound better. If we're playing against an ultra-quick pg like Tony Parker though, you really need very quick players at the 3 and the 4 in order to help out on D (We obviously don't have that at the 5). Unless you count Williams at the 4, we don't have those players yet.

 

[Kingster]

Might have needed an "other" option here. If the trde went down as reported, the "other" might have been Damon Jones, just as a low minute placeholder until/unless one of the kids (Price, Douby, even Cisco) displaced him.

Also wonder how Reggie's own experience as a 6'7" PG might predispose him to actually consider either Cisco or Salmons (another "other") for the job.

Brick, I thought we were on the same page on this one. Why get a Damon Jones - a mediocre vet - when you want to give pt to your young players to develop them? Then we're right back where we started. I'd rather let Cisco, Price and Douby all get more playing time to develop their skills for the future, as well as increase their future value. Every minute taken up by Jones would be a minute wasted in my view. Yeah, we probably take our lumps next year, but I'd just as soon pay that price (and get the higher pick ) than have a mediocre vet like Jones get playing time.

 

[VF21]

I don't see Douby as a point guard. To me he seems like a Kevin Martin clone. Did he play point in college? I know in what little time he played last year he may have played the 1 some. But if the kings brass thought Douby was an option at point, i would think they would have given him more of a look last season.

I know it's already fading from memory, but remember who was calling the shots last season.

Petrie selected Douby for a reason. The fact he didn't see much playing time was more because of Musselman's insistence on giving the vets MAJOR minutes even when the games were in the crapper.

 

[nbrans]

I think it would be pretty exciting to open it up to Price, Douby, Shakur, Garcia and Salmons just to see what happens.

One thing to keep in mind is that Kevin Martin seems to guard point guards better than 2 guards (I'm thinking of Nash and Parker in particular) because he's quick enough and bothers them with his length. So you could go with an unorthodox big lineup where Salmons/Cisco are point guards without suffering too much defensively. Of course, chasing a point guard around wears Kevin out, so I don't know how much of a long-term solution it is.

And as for Price/Douby/Shakur, just throw them up against the wall and see if one of them sticks. If not, there's Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, Darren Collison, Tywon Lawson and Eric Gordon waiting in the lottery next year.

 

[mcsluggo]

I would like to see Garcia, for two reasons...

first we actually don't have much incentive to win next year (nor much to lose from losing).... in which case the current incarnation of Garcia is your man!!

but secondly, and more important... I think having Garcia really intricately involved with the offense (leading it, even) for an extended period of time might just temper him enough to surprise us and reveal a more special player than we realize. He is a bit of a spaz, right now. I don't think he's going to get over that by hitting the books... in his case he needs the familiarity that only comes from extended repetitions... it needs to be impinted into him at the instinctive level, rather than the intelectual level. If the experiement doesn't yield paydirt... also valuable. I wanna know sooner rather than later.

 

[fnordius]

I don't see Douby as a point guard. To me he seems like a Kevin Martin clone. Did he play point in college?

To the best of my recall, he didn't play PG until his last year of college, when I guess he insisted on doing so (since 6'3"/175 SGs are short on NBA prospects). He didn't end up with a ton of assists or anything, but it was a start. Sort of.

I could handle Ronnie starting for us this year, although I'm concerned by the relative silence about his contract offer. We have people who can play the point from out of position, but none who can do it very convincingly. We have undrafted rookies in Summer League who might rise to the Ronnie Price level in a couple of years, but don't seem likely to be good for more than backups now, if ever.

So I guess I'll go with "other" or Ronnie (with occasional help from out of position) as the most likely options. I can't really see Salmons, Cisco, Jeter or Shakur doing it.

 

[Vlade4GM]

He never played PG for any long period of time in college.

 

[Bricklayer]

When Theus and the Kings came to Sac in '85 the team had a trio (or even four) "starting" guards. 6'7 Reggie Theus listed as starting PG. 6'4 Larry Drew listed as PG. 6'5 Mike Woodson listed as SG. 6'7 Eddie Johnson listed as starting SF but playing SG out on the wing occasionally. Often when Larry Drew was in the game Theus was moved to SG. That team from the '85-'86 season "shocked the world" or at least everyone in Sacramento by getting into the playoffs, but quickly sent packing by the Houston Rockets. Maybe Theus can revive such magic in his first year as head coach in Sac by getting his roster in order for a playoff push - shocking again - yes!

So yay! We could recreate that long run of er...success from that era? I'm not exactly sure 39-43 and a first round sweep exactly qualifies as shocking the world anyway. Do remember that Rich Kelley sprang forth to give us one big out of nowhere game against the Twin Towers though. Ahh....the good ole days. May they never be seen again.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I voted for Price, only because he's the only one we have at the moment, if Mike was to get traded right now. BUT...that being said, I'd love to get Chucky Atkins in here with maybe the MLE, he'd be a good investment, sorta in a Bobby Jackson-hustle sort of way. He's pretty consistant for the most part, he'll get you 13 pts/5 assists a night, and when he's hot, he'll get you 25 pts. If we get Blake, I wont complain too much, he'll just allow our other shooters the opportunities for more shots, thats all. But my vote WOULD be for Atkins, if we were to sign him.

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick, I thought we were on the same page on this one. Why get a Damon Jones - a mediocre vet - when you want to give pt to your young players to develop them? Then we're right back where we started. I'd rather let Cisco, Price and Douby all get more playing time to develop their skills for the future, as well as increase their future value. Every minute taken up by Jones would be a minute wasted in my view. Yeah, we probably take our lumps next year, but I'd just as soon pay that price (and get the higher pick ) than have a mediocre vet like Jones get playing time.

Jones was mentioned in one of the reports as one of the other salaries coming back. If he did, despite his mediocrity he would be the only proven NBA PG in camp, and hence might get the start jsut by default. I doubt it would be a big minute thing, or a permanent one should any of the kidds show anything. Just a likely result unless one of the young guys dazzled in camp. Think Rory Sparrow (if you are too young for that reference, Rory was the veteran PG we brought in for the blow up the team/four first round pick year in 1990 (and I just had the terrifying revelation that that year may actually have been before some of the younger members of this board were even born. ). Horribly mediocre and maybe the worst starting PG in the league, but was the only experienced hand around with Travis Mays a 1/2 tweener who failed to blossom, I think Steve Coleter may havehad a cup of cofee that year, maybe even Leon Wood (the ref), and eventually little pathetic Jimmy Les stole a bunch of the minutes at the end of the year with his three point shooting).

 

[Bricklayer]

I voted for Price, only because he's the only one we have at the moment, if Mike was to get traded right now. BUT...that being said, I'd love to get Chucky Atkins in here with maybe the MLE, he'd be a good investment, sorta in a Bobby Jackson-hustle sort of way. He's pretty consistant for the most part, he'll get you 13 pts/5 assists a night, and when he's hot, he'll get you 25 pts. If we get Blake, I wont complain too much, he'll just allow our other shooters the opportunities for more shots, thats all. But my vote WOULD be for Atkins, if we were to sign him.

Chucky?

Er...sucks. And is old. And in no way shape or form should we be signing old sucky vets to contracts at this point. Besides, rumor is he's supposed to sign wiht the Nuggets here int he enxt day or two.

did he go to your alma mater or something?

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Why not just start Salmons at PG? That way we could showcase him for a trade. He has gotten double digit assists before and I think it would benefit him to play with Kevin. If we are worried about defense, he is replacing Bibby, so it is not as if its a downgrade defensively.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

No, he didnt go to my alma-mater. I just have always liked Chucky, for some reason, he brings a certain energy, in a Bobby Jackson sort of way, and he's a bit more mature than most in the league, but he's not OLD by any means, 32. Well, I guess for a rebuilding team...its not the right thing to bring in, good analogy with Sparrow back in 1990, thats exactly what I was thinking(and yes, I remember Sparrow very well when he played for us...and the Knicks, and the Bulls...crap, maybe I'm old*LOL*), too...not the WORST thing.(and no, I'm not comparing Atkins to Sparrow, by any means, just the magnitude) If we lose Bibby...out of all the guys to choose from, Price would be the guy, and have Francisco slide over to PG from time to time, but this isnt a perfect world here in Sacramento, and our choices are limited.

 

[bench_blob]

No matter who you put in that spot -- Douby, Price, Salmons, Garcia --- the team would struggle to hit 90 points a game with any of these guys as the floor general....

None of them possess the combination of shooting, passing, quickness or floor leadership...the team will go with long stretches w/o scoring.

So really the whole poll is a mute discussion because you are going to the lottery again with whomever is named the starter.

 

[Greenspan 101]

I'd like to see Price get more minutes, but d@mn do I hope that they don't trade Bibby for Gooden or Varejo.

1. Varajo is the worst flopper in the league and it is so annoying it's hard to watch for a true basketball fan

2. Gooden has never been a threat anywhere outside of the offensive glass. Does this team really need another big man? Kenny Thomas (sucks), Shareef, Miller, Hawes, and even Artest...

 

[RIP miyagi]

yes this team really does need another big man because none of ours seem to be able to play!

 

[perezident]

well you guys can scratch off Blake's name off the FA list...the guy just signed with Portland