SacKings384
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Why not trade Peja??? With Pejas (relatively) small contract, the Kings barely benefit cap wise from him leaving... I'd have a hard time just letting him walk for nothing...
I know it's early but here's something to ponder
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SacTownKid
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SacKings384 said:
Well, we have done a lot of letting players walk for nothing, but if Peja just walks away I will be PO'ed!!!
Like I said, just wait till the deadline he will be all over the tube.
Bricklayer
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SacTownKid said:Well, we have done a lot of letting players walk for nothing, but if Peja just walks away I will be PO'ed!!!
Like I said, just wait till the deadline he will be all over the tube.
That one would be a mistake/disaster. You just do NOT let a player of Peja's talent walk away unless you are going into full-fledged rebuilding mode. You only get so much talent, and you have to conserve whenever possible.
I still insist that trading Peja is the way to go from any tactical perpective. If Peja is worth whatever he is at his current $$, he's worth less at max$$ (or anywhere close), and he's almsot surely worth less still if he just walks (depends on if you are ale to sign somebody to replace him). The only way to conserve his value is to trade him for a similar level of talent that you can keep for equal or less $$ into future years.
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West_Gunslinger16
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Nah......... said,
There's no substitute SF for Kings IMO. And Rashard? No way! Peja is , like you said , a "softy and bad defender" even made Rashard shoot like he's shooting a bag of cement in last year's playoffs. And one more thing there's no other SF that I know who can do a 6-8 3PT in one night. Unless you get Raef LaFrentz who did a 7 in one game.
SORRY GUYS BUT NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's no substitute SF for Kings IMO. And Rashard? No way! Peja is , like you said , a "softy and bad defender" even made Rashard shoot like he's shooting a bag of cement in last year's playoffs. And one more thing there's no other SF that I know who can do a 6-8 3PT in one night. Unless you get Raef LaFrentz who did a 7 in one game.
SORRY GUYS BUT NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SacTownKid
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Bricklayer said:
I think Peja is worth more than his current deal. I just don't think he is worth that much to us with the other players we have. We don't need his abilities as desperately as some other teams do, and thats what scares me. He may be worth that much to another team looking for a guy thats going to give 20+ points without being volume shooter.
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West_Gunslinger16
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Example:
Ofcourse we need his skill. Remember the Kings-Spurs game, we got no 3-pointer to turn to (only Bibby). The reason their (Spurs) win is only by 3 is because Bibby sparked and I tell you that doesn't happen everytime we need it.
SacTownKid said:
Ofcourse we need his skill. Remember the Kings-Spurs game, we got no 3-pointer to turn to (only Bibby). The reason their (Spurs) win is only by 3 is because Bibby sparked and I tell you that doesn't happen everytime we need it.
SacTownKid
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West_Gunslinger16 said:
You can always find a 3 point shooter. Maybe not on Peja's level but I think a simple spot up 3 point shooter could do the trick. Peja definately sets him self apart from a simple 3 point shooter, but what else do really use him for?
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West_Gunslinger16
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SacTownKid said:
You call him a simple 3 point shooter? I can't think of anyone as consistent as Peja. If there's as consistent as Peja that would be Ray Allen. And I doubt Seattle would ever let him go. Tell me, who can do a 6-8 3PTFG in the SF Pos. today? Mention one "simple" 3PT shooter who can only miss few. Come on, I'd rather have a scorer than a rebounder/blocker that doesn't score at all. Oh, if there's anybody who I want to be in SF Pos. that would be Marion which is impossible.
P.S. Don't mention Eddie Jones!
SacTownKid
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West_Gunslinger16 said:
No, I actually didn't. I did in fact say the he sets himself apart from a simple 3 point shooter, but we don't use him for anything else but his scoring abilities on offense. What is incorrect about that statement?
4cwebb
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West_Gunslinger16 said:
This will come off sounding like a Peja bash (even though it's really not), but tell me the last time Peja went 6 for 8 from three in a game that mattered. I can't think of one off the top of my head. Peja is borderline expendable if he's not going to show up and play his best against the best, and in clutch situations.
Now, the pre-pinky-injury Peja seemed to have turned a corner in some senses. He was hustling, grabbing boards, and generally being more involved in the game than normal. It's almost as if the Prince embarrassment woke him up from a bit of a slumber. If that Peja returns and plays that way for up until the trade deadline, he'll be a very tradeable commodity, not to mention a commodity that the Kings will probably want to re-sign (albeit hopefully not at max money).
Edit: not to mention, what the Kings need right now is a rebounder/defender. 4 of the 5 current starters (including Peja) are enough offense for just about any starting team in the NBA. I'm not saying Peja should be the first to go, but right now his contract situation puts him in a position where the franchise has to make a decision this year. Same with Bonzi.
Edit II: Marion is a great rebounder/defender at the SF, but without a guy like Nash or Kidd, he's less effective. I'd hope that he could fit into the Princeton system and benefit from slashing to the basket to receive passes from Miller and Reef, but he hasn't had to play in that type of offense yet in his NBA career, so it'd be an adjustment.
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West_Gunslinger16
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OK. If that's how you really don't want Peja to stay on the team I'll put Corliss or the Janitor from the Arco? I'd really put my money on the Janitor.....
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playmaker0017
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West_Gunslinger16 said:
There is a HUGE difference between Peja and Ray Allen. Allen can break a man down and get to the hoop. Allen can defend. Allen is athletic. Allen does the small things.
Peja can snipe. That's it. He's a one-trick pony, with one heck of a trick ... but it is still one trick. He can shoot. He can't dribble. He can't post up (at 6'10" over much smaller defenders). He can't drive the lane. He can't defend. He can't finish. Nothing. He can snipe.
I call that a "simple 3 point shooter".
Tell me how often Peja does that?
That mentality is why the Kings won't ever win the big games.
Peja's scoring can EASILY be replaced ... as has been shown over the past games in his absence. This team is RIFE with first and second option scorers ... which is all that Peja is. A great second option. As a first option, he's overmatched since he can create.
A Ben Wallace puts this team over the top. He shores up a defense and makes us gritty. He doesn't need to score and for the most part overlooks it.
I like what Peja can do, but he's not un-tradeable. For me - it would come down to Bibby or Peja as the person to trade. I'd lean towards Peja ... ONLY because he's sitting out because of a minor injury. Other than that, I dislike what Bibby does. He's a small SG. If we ever run a more traditional offense, Bibby might be in trouble.
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sloter
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It is really annoying how many times people are going to say that Pedja is not a good defender. Pedja is a very solid defender. Also, it is very true that his production in the 4th quarter falls off, but he has come up huge in some of the most important games for the Kings in the last 2 years in the playoffs (Game 3 vs. Minny 2 years ago, Game 5 against Sonics last year). He practically carried the Kings on his shoulders in what were the key games in those series.
Didn't we lose both of those games? Exactly how far did he carry us? And what was so important about Game 3 of the 2004 CSF? It was hardly an elimination game...
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playmaker0017
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sloter said:
In what world is this?
In the real world - Peja is a slow rotator. He doesn't stop penetration very well and because of his lack of athletisicm, he can't regain position very well.
Peja is probably the 2nd worst defender on a team of pretty lackluster defenders.
Bricklayer
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sloter said:
Peja's defense has to be broken into two parts:
1) Man to man: surprisingly solid, has been for some time now;
2) Help defense: pretty terrible. One of the very worst and for the same reasons that plague him throughout his game. No tougnness/hustle, unwilling to stick his nose in there, rotate hard, absorb contact etc.
Some guy at 82games.com did a statistical study and found Peja the 2nd worst SF defender in the league over the past three years ( link ), and if that's true its not because of his defense on his man IMO, its because he helps nobody else with theirs and the whole defense suffers because of it, he doesn't hit the glass, and doesn't pick up loose balls. Hence other teams score more with him in the game even with him having developed solid one on one defensive skills.
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Bricklayer said:
A nice summary of Peja's defense. I've seen him play some very effective 1:1 on ball defense, but team defense be atrocious in the same game. Recent history shows that the Kings used to be able to outscore opponents, particularly in regular season. Peja's (and the whole team's really) glaring defensive/toughness/rebounding weaknesses were by and large masked by this fact. And we all know the history of playoffs and Peja, where his issues were magnified. Now, with a new team, new direction, new challenges - it is up to Peja to seriously re-examine himself, look in the mirror, and commit to becoming a complete player.
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West_Gunslinger16
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Yeah? But why put all the blame on the SF? Why don't you blame the guy does 0.5 BLK a game and Rebounds less than 8 a game? In fact when I see Miller I don't see any difference with him and Peja. "Horrible" defender and does no hustle rebounds. The only 2 field Miller beats Peja is assists and rebounds but that's understandable the fact the he beats Peja by 2 inches and the reason Kings hired that person (TO BE A CENTER!!!!!). I'm hurt by the way people include Peja w/o or not Miller in trading, its really disheartening. If Miller defends a little like Skinner, I'll be his biggest fan and forget about the way he plays. But I guess we can't really have all the good stuff, right?
West_Gunslinger16 said:
Why is it necessary to always throw around blame as though there has to be ONE player responsible? And why, if Peja is named, is it so easy to point the finger elsewhere?
Peja isn't perfect any more than any other player. Read the Mark Kreidler article. What happens A LOT is that Peja gets more than his fair share of debate because some of his more rabid fans simply are not willing to accept that he's not perfect, he is capable of poor play (just like any other player) and that we can still be Kings fans even if we criticize Peja for not playing up to what we perceive his potential to be.