I found the perfect SG

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He averaged 13pts 3reb 2ast 1stl 1blk shot 44% fg 40% 3pt and 83% FT

he is an above average defender and can defend multiple positions. He is a good ball handler and passer. He puts the team before himself and has terrific leadership qualities. he was injured most of last year so those numbers are from the year before and the pervious year was almost identical. His injury was not in the lower extremities so his legs are fine. He has proven to be a clutch shooter. He has every tool we have all desired to be the SG next to Tyreke.

I got a good pic of him last year as I sat behind the bench.




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melo

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Of course the injury was to his shooting wrist, right?

I agree with your point that Garcia is an NBA quality 2/3 with many of the qualities we claim we've been looking for; but, the Kings are still light in the Guard dept. esp prior to the Jetter signing. I still think we could use another guard, esp a true catch and shot 2.
 
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melo said:
Of course the injury was to his shooting wrist, right?

I agree with your point that Garcia is an NBA quality 2/3 with many of the qualities we claim we've been looking for; but, the Kings are still light in the Guard dept. esp prior to the Jetter signing. I still think we could use another guard, esp a true catch and shot 2.
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I am guessing your statement about his shooting wrist is some sort of knock as if he can't put up those numbers now or something not real sure what the agenda was there. But to enlighten you a little the 25 games he played last year while rehabing the wrist his stats were

8pts 3reb 2ast shooting 47%fg 39%3pt and 88%FT now yes his numbers are off from the year before like +3 FG% -1 3pt% and +6%. But I see your point in mentioning that it was his shooting wrist after all he dropped a % point in 3 pointers.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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I am guessing your statement about his shooting wrist is some sort of knock as if he can't put up those numbers now or something not real sure what the agenda was there. But to enlighten you a little the 25 games he played last year while rehabing the wrist his stats were

8pts 3reb 2ast shooting 47%fg 39%3pt and 88%FT now yes his numbers are off from the year before like +3 FG% -1 3pt% and +6%. But I see your point in mentioning that it was his shooting wrist after all he dropped a % point in 3 pointers.
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It all comes down to Cisco's health. None of his injuries seem to be of a chronic nature, so there's no reason to believe that he won't return to being the player he was before. I don't consider Cisco a difference maker in the strict sense of the word, but he's certainly a solid player and should fit in nicely next to Tyreke. That doesn't solve our depth problem, but I think its an acceptable situation as long as everyone remains healthy.
 
Uncia03

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I am guessing your statement about his shooting wrist is some sort of knock as if he can't put up those numbers now or something not real sure what the agenda was there. But to enlighten you a little the 25 games he played last year while rehabing the wrist his stats were

8pts 3reb 2ast shooting 47%fg 39%3pt and 88%FT now yes his numbers are off from the year before like +3 FG% -1 3pt% and +6%. But I see your point in mentioning that it was his shooting wrist after all he dropped a % point in 3 pointers.
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About 2/3rds of the way through last last season I started looking around the league to find a 2-guard who I thought would be ideal next Tyreke. He would bring all the things the Kings need at that position (Size, Defense, Tenacity, Shooting, Ball-Handling) while not being a 'star' player, but playing a strong role-player's game and not costing us the bank.

At the end of my search I basically came to the conclusion that Garcia is really one of the best players out there to fill that position.

I'll be honest in saying that I wasn't very happy with the amount of money Garcia got for his extension. I did prefer Kevin's game to Garcia's because, though Garcia is far more multi-dimensional, Kevin brought star-like qualities to the one thing he did do well.

But with how this team has suddenly transformed itself in the last two years, all of a sudden, Garcia's jack-of-all-trades type of role-playing game looks to be an almost perfect fit for what we need from the 2-guard spot, and suddenly his contract doesn't look bad at all if he can really fill that backcourt niche with Tyreke.

My biggest concern last year, and coming into this year is that wrist of his. It looked as if he came back early from the injury, and it seemed as if he would favor that wrist quite often while on the court. But if he can get over the physical and mental aspects of that wrist injury, and pick up where he left off two seasons ago he could really help this team.

I know that a lot of fans want another 'star' at the 2-guard spot next to Tyreke. But what we really need is a super role-player. A lot of fans don't believe that Garcia is good enough to be a starter for this team, but if you look at championship teams in the past, sometimes it's better to have a good role-player that meshes well with your star players rather than trying to fill all the spots with stars. I think a lot of fans forget how clutch Garcia can be with his outside shooting, and I hope that he can bring that back with a full healthy season.

I wouldn't mind getting an upgrade over Garcia to start at the 2-guard spot. There are a lot of 2-guards out there with superior talent and abilities when compared to Garcia. However, I don't think there are very many players out there who would be an upgrade over Garcia when you consider how diverse his game is, and how his ability to be a super role-player fits in with Tyreke's game.

Mike Miller would probably have been a good fit, and that's exactly why Miami went and signed him as a super role-player to fit their team, and are paying him almost exactly what we're paying Garcia.

So if you can show me some players who you think would be a better fit, and who we might be able to pry away from a team and who we wouldn't have to pay 10+ million a year for, I'd be interested. I just don't think there are too many players of that nature out there right now.
 
bajaden

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Uncia03 said:
Mike Miller would probably have been a good fit, and that's exactly why Miami went and signed him as a super role-player to fit their team, and are paying him almost exactly what we're paying Garcia.

So if you can show me some players who you think would be a better fit, and who we might be able to pry away from a team and who we wouldn't have to pay 10+ million a year for, I'd be interested. I just don't think there are too many players of that nature out there right now.
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Mike Miller was my first choice, and is really just an enhanced Cisco. It would have been great to have both of them on the team, but alas, Miller wants to see a ring on his finger. And I can't blame him. He was a great pickup for the Heat. I agree however, that there's no one left in freeagency right now that sends a chill down my leg. It will be interesting as the trade deadline approaches, to see which teams that thought they might be contenders, and aren't, will try and shed salaries to teams that have cap space. It could be a bargin hunters delight.
 
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melo

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I am guessing your statement about his shooting wrist is some sort of knock as if he can't put up those numbers now or something not real sure what the agenda was there. But to enlighten you a little the 25 games he played last year while rehabing the wrist his stats were

8pts 3reb 2ast shooting 47%fg 39%3pt and 88%FT now yes his numbers are off from the year before like +3 FG% -1 3pt% and +6%. But I see your point in mentioning that it was his shooting wrist after all he dropped a % point in 3 pointers.
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Hold on, no agenda. I like Garcia as much as anyone and I am not one of the "Garcia is injury prone" camp. However, your initial point was that he was the shooter that we are looking for and than noted his injury not to his legs and therefore (implying) it was irrelevant. We're not talking about Ben Wallace, Gerald Wallace, Larry Hughes et al where it is all about the wheels; we're talking about the "shooter" where an injury to the elbow, wrist, fingers is very relevant. I certainly hope he returns to preinjury form; but, you can't say it's a given.
 
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mike isn't quite as quick as Garcia and doesn't poses the weak side defense help that Cisco does. He is however a proven consistant % shooter suprising his FT % is less than 80% for his career.
 
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I deemed it irrelevant since his % was actually better last year coming off the injury when we all know he was hurt much of that time so yeah duh its a given. Its no question if he can be at preinjuty form when he already did it. did you forget that he played 25 games last year after the injury?
 
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melo

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Entity said:
I deemed it irrelevant since his % was actually better last year coming off the injury when we all know he was hurt much of that time so yeah duh its a given. Its no question if he can be at preinjuty form when he already did it. did you forget that he played 25 games last year after the injury?
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Yes I watched the games and I did not feel he was 100% back yet. He shot at a lower rate last year than the prior year (fewer shots per minute) as players coming back from injury frequently do. He was more selective thus raising his %, he wasn't shoting better. Additionally, his 3 point % was down.

But the whole point was: for Garcia a broken leg would have been no worse than the broken wrist.
 
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dude are you hearing yourself his 3 point % was down??????? from 39.8 to 39.1 WTF fewer shots per min????? He was playing his role on the team as you do with a superstar in Tyreke not to mention his min were down. I do agree he wasn't 100% I am saying he put up the same numbers not 100% and now that he is yes its irrelevant.

Basically the Wrist is a non issue NOW. its over.
 
bajaden

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mike isn't quite as quick as Garcia and doesn't poses the weak side defense help that Cisco does. He is however a proven consistant % shooter suprising his FT % is less than 80% for his career.
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Very true! There are pluses and minuses with every player. Miller is a better and smarter passer than Cisco, and is at least as good a ballhandler. But I'm just quibbling. As I said, I would have loved to have both of them on the team. Of course we'll make Miller regret his decision when we win the championship. Ahemm! I'm not saying when....
 
startingtohurt

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how sad is it that i forget cisco is still on the roster...but if he started along with reke, donte, daly and lets just say jt, would we have the tallest starting 5 in the league? with 6'9'' omri and 6'11'' cousins commin off the bench too
 
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Telemachus

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bajaden said:
It all comes down to Cisco's health. None of his injuries seem to be of a chronic nature, so there's no reason to believe that he won't return to being the player he was before. I don't consider Cisco a difference maker in the strict sense of the word, but he's certainly a solid player and should fit in nicely next to Tyreke. That doesn't solve our depth problem, but I think its an acceptable situation as long as everyone remains healthy.
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The truth of the matter is that we don't really need Cisco to be a difference maker on the current squad. Tyreke an Cousins are more likely looked to for the role of difference maker. We just need Cisco to stay healthy. It is true that his injuries aren't chronic in nature, he just seems to have bad luck when it comes to freak injuries. Let's hope his luck has changed and all we need to worry about it finding depth at SG. Finding players to fill in for 10-15 minutes is a lot easier than finding a starter.
 
Kingster

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I love the optimism on this board. We don't "need" a difference maker at two guard. We don't need a special player at two guard. We're all set for the championship. Cousins hasn't played one pre-season game, much less a regular season game and we've projected him in to the Hall. We just won 25 games last year and we're convinced we don't "need" stars because we're destined for greatness. I really need to drink what you're drinking. I could move to Seattle, never see the sun for the rest of eternity, and still be president of the Optimist Club.;)
 
Bricklayer

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Kingster said:
I love the optimism on this board. We don't "need" a difference maker at two guard. We don't need a special player at two guard. We're all set for the championship. Cousins hasn't played one pre-season game, much less a regular season game and we've projected him in to the Hall. We just won 25 games last year and we're convinced we don't "need" stars because we're destined for greatness. I really need to drink what you're drinking. I could move to Seattle, never see the sun for the rest of eternity, and still be president of the Optimist Club.;)
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No team with a great guard needs a "difference maker" at the other guard. Not the Lakers, the Heat, the Bulls, the Hornets, the Jazz...not anyone.

SG is our natural roleplayer position. Cisco is a good roleplayer. Problem solved for the time being.

And whatever we are going to do to get set of our championship isn't going to be done at bleeping SG.
 
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I believe the guy can score 15 points a game. Always have. He is capable of an all around game, too.

I worry that he seemed to defer to Tyreke and lose his offensive aggresiveness. I've become a doubter but would love to be wrong at this point.
 
Bricklayer

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LA King Fan II said:
I worry that he seemed to defer to Tyreke and lose his offensive aggresiveness.
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You shouldn't worry about that -- that's precisely one of the attractive traits of the roleplayer. Able and willing to step back out of the way of the stars and just fill in. Whether Cisco scores 15 or scores 8 this season is almost irrelevant in judging how successful he was paired back there with Reke. All that matters is that the machine hums, and it can't hum if too many guys are fighting over the ball. You need roleplayers out there willing to step out of the way and keep the shots and focus on your better players.
 
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Bricklayer said:
You shouldn't worry about that -- that's precisely one of the attractive traits of the roleplayer. Able and willing to step back out of the way of the stars and just fill in. Whether Cisco scores 15 or scores 8 this season is almost irrelevant in judging how successful he was paired back there with Reke. All that matters is that the machine hums, and it can't hum if too many guys are fighting over the ball. You need roleplayers out there willing to step out of the way and keep the shots and focus on your better players.
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Bingo. Really what we should focus on Cisco being able to do on the court is defend, help facilitate and knock down open jumpers at all ranges to where it keeps the defense honest
 
Kings Faithful

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startingtohurt said:
how sad is it that i forget cisco is still on the roster...but if he started along with reke, donte, daly and lets just say jt, would we have the tallest starting 5 in the league? with 6'9'' omri and 6'11'' cousins commin off the bench too
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I'm not sure about starting five, but last year we had the tallest team in the league... and we just got taller. So I can't imagine we don't have the tallest starting 5 this year.
 
bajaden

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Kingster said:
I love the optimism on this board. We don't "need" a difference maker at two guard. We don't need a special player at two guard. We're all set for the championship. Cousins hasn't played one pre-season game, much less a regular season game and we've projected him in to the Hall. We just won 25 games last year and we're convinced we don't "need" stars because we're destined for greatness. I really need to drink what you're drinking. I could move to Seattle, never see the sun for the rest of eternity, and still be president of the Optimist Club.;)
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Me thinks your overstating what we said just a tad. First off, were talking about this coming season. At least I was. And in that regard the consensus is that Cisco will be just fine for now. That doesn't mean that we don't desire another star on the team. And it certainly doesn't mean that the star has to be at the shooting guard position. We did just fine with Christie at that spot and he certainly wasn't a star. Yes, I do think that everyone is optimistic about the team and that includes Cousins. But I also think that everyone, for the most part are realistic about the coming season.

Few, if any, think the Kings will make the playoffs this coming season. So I hardly think there's much Kool aid going around. There are a lot of 'If's" on the team this year. I think of this coming season as a shake down cruise. First you put the ship in the water and see if the damm thing floats. Then you take it out to sea and find out what needs fixing. Thats kind of where we are right now. It looks good on paper, but we have to find out how it all comes together. So yes, I'm optimistic. But I hardly think that this is a finished product. I do think were getting close though. :)
 
Kingster

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bajaden said:
Me thinks your overstating what we said just a tad. First off, were talking about this coming season. At least I was. And in that regard the consensus is that Cisco will be just fine for now. That doesn't mean that we don't desire another star on the team. And it certainly doesn't mean that the star has to be at the shooting guard position. We did just fine with Christie at that spot and he certainly wasn't a star. Yes, I do think that everyone is optimistic about the team and that includes Cousins. But I also think that everyone, for the most part are realistic about the coming season.

Few, if any, think the Kings will make the playoffs this coming season. So I hardly think there's much Kool aid going around. There are a lot of 'If's" on the team this year. I think of this coming season as a shake down cruise. First you put the ship in the water and see if the damm thing floats. Then you take it out to sea and find out what needs fixing. Thats kind of where we are right now. It looks good on paper, but we have to find out how it all comes together. So yes, I'm optimistic. But I hardly think that this is a finished product. I do think were getting close though. :)
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I think, to be fair, some are making comments just about next season. But there are others who appear to be making more of a long term assessment with respect to our talent level. I'm more interesting in drinking out of the glass of the latter; not of the former.;)
 
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