How would Griffin fit in?

[sidney]

We can't worry about lowering the value of our assets. At the end of the day, if we are winning games our assets will automatically become better looking. We can't let players values dictate whether they start, sit, or even get traded. Good coaches will always put players in their roles. There is absolutely nothing wrong on being a deep team. If you look at the Lakers, Lamar Odom comes off the bench and we all know what he is capable of. Jason Thompson could very well be in a similar situation as Lamar Odom and i'm pretty confident he will play his role quite well.

We absolutely have to worry about lowering the value of our promising assets. We have few bright spots. One is a 6'11" rookie that just finished with almost 20 double doubles this year. If we bury the guy on the bench and give him 15 PF minutes a game, we would be much better off by trading him while his value is high in order to fill another major need.

 

[beb0p]

a JT / Hawes / Thabeet front line is balanced
a Griffin / Hawes / Thabeet front line is balanced

In three-player rotation, you need a guy who can play both PF/C. JT/Hawes/Thabeet and Griffin/Hawes/Thabeet are not balanced because there's only one PF and two Cs - no one can slide between both positions. In that situation, it's essentiallly Hawes/Thabeet splitting mins and JT (or Griffin) as the sole PF. Which translates to about 24 mins each for Hawes and Thabeet and 48 mins for JT. One can argue that Griffin can play some C but that's less than ideal. Or one can put Hawes at the PF but that's just wrong. That doesn't mean I'm against drafting Thabeet. Just that some pieces would have to be moved around to fit him into the team.

IMO, if we are going to take Griffin we should trade JT right away, probably on draft day in order to fill one of the two gaping holes we have - PG and a big that can defend / rebound / block shots.

Moving JT down to a role player status and minutes is a horrible move for the team because it lowers the value of one of our assets. You can't let a JT / Griffin / Hawes front line start the season.

I'm open to trading JT but I see nothing wrong with starting the season with JT/Griffin/Hawes. People are so afraid of conflicts, if there's one thing I respect about the Voodoo, er Zen, Master is that he cherishes conflicts and often takes advantage on it. I can see Phil turning a JT/Griffin/Hawes into some melodrama that ends up firing up the team. But definitely it's not something for a lesser coach.

 

[KF8]

We absolutely have to worry about lowering the value of our promising assets. We have few bright spots. One is a 6'11" rookie that just finished with almost 20 double doubles this year. If we bury the guy on the bench and give him 15 PF minutes a game, we would be much better off by trading him while his value is high in order to fill another major need.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Thompson if the right deal came along. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him though. I would think Jason Thompson will have more than 15 minutes a game. He is someone who could play multiple positions at power forward and center. I could easily see him playing around 25 to 30 minutes behind Hawes and Griffin. Also put into account that guys will get into foul trouble or get injured.

 

[bigbadred00]

I don't think this team can really worry about giving minutes right now. As of this moment the only guys worthy of actually deserving minutes are probally Kevin, Thompson and Hawes. That's probally 110-120 minutes of the 240 minutes that are available. We can go a small ball lineup if we get Griffin and play both Griffin and Thompson on the front line if that is needed. I think we just need to start building talent. Even if we do draft Griffin there are still a lot of minutes to go around for big men (25-30 at PF/C). Griffin isn't a ridiculous talent upgrade over Spencer/Thompson like Rubio would potentially be over Udrih, but he is with out a doubt the most polished player available and probally most probable in being a superstar or near superstar level with Rubio being second for probally both.

There are still ways to improve our D through the rest of the draft/FA and trades. If Thompson/Griffin/Hawes doesn't work out all that well--I think they are all still valuable commodities that could get it a more sensible front lineup.

 

[Oprostaj]

I've already said that I'll let JT's agent worry about his minutes. I'm sorry but I don't care if JT loses millions in potential earnings. I don't see why you should either. One of the best advice a hedge fund manager ever gave me is: Never fall in love with a commodity. People falls in love with a house, a stock, even a neighborhood and bad decisions are made because they do things in the best interest of the commodity instead of themselves.

And in this case, people falls in love with a player and hopes he does well, even if a potentially better player can be had. I like JT but I'm not going to treat him like he's Chris Webber, because he certainly is not. When you say things like "You need a roleplayer, go out and get a roleplaye", what do you think JT is? Not a role player? Look, JT is just a role player whether you admit to or not.

As for actual backups who has offensive game and are still relatively young: let me count them: Chris Wilcox, Nick Collison, Channing Frye, Kris Humprey, Ryan Gnomes, Glenn Davis, Leon Powe, Paul Millsap and many others. You tell me Brick, what league do they play in?

What I find unacceptable, is that those guys, including Lamar Odom in a contract year, have accepted bench roles but somehow "It's just so beneath JT to do the same!"

Nowhere did I ever said JT should be happy in a backup role. Again, I'm not his mother nor his agent, I don't care if he's happy. All I'm saying is, I think JT will accept a backup role, he will play hard, and he will help the team in such a role. And that's how you fit Griffin into the team, which is the subject of this thread. If this thread is about "How to Make JT Happy?" Then my answer would certainly be different.

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Losing millions is concurrent with performance. What player on the leauge that is clearly a starter has been happy and has performed as well as a backup do you see? Odom sucked as a bench player, and still does. He keeps his mouth shut because talking about it has not helped, he has earned his money, and is about to win a ring. What do you think the agent (whose own earnings depend on how much his client earns) will tell JT? To sit tight and accept backup money? You damn well believe that if that's what he is, that's what he better be paid. This is not about his skillset. I like the guy, and I think he can be a damn good starter. But his skills do not suit him for the bench. It is a different mentality, and many players fail at it. You're not worried about how JT will react? You will once he starts pouting and his performance suffers, since it WILL become about money. It always does. The kind of "bench player" we need is not one that JT can provide. He needs his touches to be effective, and extended minutes. He does not have the experience to just jump into the game and be effective.

 

[bigbadred00]

Losing millions is concurrent with performance. What player on the leauge that is clearly a starter has been happy and has performed as well as a backup do you see? Odom sucked as a bench player, and still does. He keeps his mouth shut because talking about it has not helped, he has earned his money, and is about to win a ring. What do you think the agent (whose own earnings depend on how much his client earns) will tell JT? To sit tight and accept backup money? You damn well believe that if that's what he is, that's what he better be paid. This is not about his skillset. I like the guy, and I think he can be a damn good starter. But his skills do not suit him for the bench. It is a different mentality, and many players fail at it. You're not worried about how JT will react? You will once he starts pouting and his performance suffers, since it WILL become about money. It always does. The kind of "bench player" we need is not one that JT can provide. He needs his touches to be effective, and extended minutes. He does not have the experience to just jump into the game and be effective.

It's one thing to come off the bench and play limited minutes. I don't think that'll be an issue with the team next year if Griffin was part of it. If JT can't handle 25-30 minutes off the bench he has a problem. It's not like JT was a top 2 or 3 pick that is guaranteed to be the next LBJ or something. Now don't get me wrong he's done well for himself in his first year after being at a small school but to act like he is too valuable to not get a ton of minutes off the bench is pretty crazy for someone who in his first year was a good but not amazing player.

 

[Kingster]

It's obvious - there can be only one. Thompson and Griffin will be competing for minutes from Day 1, with each concerned that every single less minute he gets than the other is inferring that he will be traded in the future. If both of them needed motivation for some reason, I could argue that it might do some good, but both appear to be self-motivated, and therefore the competition isn't going to add much to the mix. Other teams will also know that we have to trade one, so that's not going increase Petrie's leverage in doing so. Overall, I don't think it's a great situation. With Thompson and Griffin relatively equal in abilities, how will Griffin taking some of Thompson's (or indirectly Hawes's) minutes actually improve the win-loss percentage? I doubt it will have that much of an effect.

 

[beb0p]

Losing millions is concurrent with performance. What player on the leauge that is clearly a starter has been happy and has performed as well as a backup do you see? Odom sucked as a bench player, and still does. He keeps his mouth shut because talking about it has not helped, he has earned his money, and is about to win a ring. What do you think the agent (whose own earnings depend on how much his client earns) will tell JT? To sit tight and accept backup money? You damn well believe that if that's what he is, that's what he better be paid. This is not about his skillset. I like the guy, and I think he can be a damn good starter. But his skills do not suit him for the bench. It is a different mentality, and many players fail at it. You're not worried about how JT will react? You will once he starts pouting and his performance suffers, since it WILL become about money. It always does. The kind of "bench player" we need is not one that JT can provide. He needs his touches to be effective, and extended minutes. He does not have the experience to just jump into the game and be effective.

If your argument is that we should start a guy because he hates being a sub, then well, I just have to respectfully disagree.

If JT is a franchise player, I can see why one would go out of his way to make him happy. But this relates to fans falling in love with a player. JT is just a piece. A role player who still has much to learn. It's not like he's irreplaceable or that he has proven himself to the point of automatic starter status.

People who don't think he can be effective in a backup role or thinks he will turn into the next KT is selling him short, imo.

Almost all players are more effective as starters than backups. Even perenial backups like Darius Songalia played better as a starter. So what? If a player don't perform his role then he shouldn't be in the NBA. There is simply not enough starter mins to give to everyone who deserved to start.

 

[KF8]

I say lets bring back Mikkie Moore since Jason Thompson is too good of a player to be a back up.

 

[sidney]

In three-player rotation, you need a guy who can play both PF/C. JT/Hawes/Thabeet and Griffin/Hawes/Thabeet are not balanced because there's only one PF and two Cs - no one can slide between both positions. In that situation, it's essentiallly Hawes/Thabeet splitting mins and JT (or Griffin) as the sole PF. Which translates to about 24 mins each for Hawes and Thabeet and 48 mins for JT. One can argue that Griffin can play some C but that's less than ideal. Or one can put Hawes at the PF but that's just wrong. That doesn't mean I'm against drafting Thabeet. Just that some pieces would have to be moved around to fit him into the team.

ok, I get where you are coming from, but I believe Hawes' game is suited fine for minutes at PF as long as Thabeet is playing center helping on defense when needed. The reason Hawes is not a great fit at PF is not because he can't score against opposing PFs, but because he could get torched playing defense on faster PFs. Thabeet helps cover that.

So JT is the true PF, Thabeet is the true center, and Hawes plays both and gets substantial (around 30) minutes.

 

[sidney]

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Thompson if the right deal came along. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him though. I would think Jason Thompson will have more than 15 minutes a game. He is someone who could play multiple positions at power forward and center. I could easily see him playing around 25 to 30 minutes behind Hawes and Griffin. Also put into account that guys will get into foul trouble or get injured.

Theory is that if you take Griffin #1, you believe in him as your future and you play him a lot, like 30-35 minutes even as a rookie. Griffin, at his size, speed, and skill set is not suited well for SF or C. JT just happens to be the same way, so he'll get PF scraps and play out of position the rest of the time. Not a good situation.

 

[KF8]

Theory is that if you take Griffin #1, you believe in him as your future and you play him a lot, like 30-35 minutes even as a rookie. Griffin, at his size, speed, and skill set is not suited well for SF or C. JT just happens to be the same way, so he'll get PF scraps and play out of position the rest of the time. Not a good situation.

I think u read wrong, but I never said that Griffin could play small forward or Center. Griffin's game obviously is geared towards a PF. On the other hand, Jason Thompson is more versatile where he could play Center (without being out of position) because he definitely has the size and length to do so. If I could recall Thompson is already playing some minutes at the Center position this season and he did fine. Griffin with get his 30 minutes just fine. 96/3 = 32 mins per player. Some nights Thompson will play more and some nights Griffin will play more depending who is playing well and nightly match ups. To make things more clear...

Griffin = PF (not a small forward)
Thompson = PF, C (not a small forward)

 

[sidney]

I think u read wrong, but I never said that Griffin could play small forward or Center. Griffin's game obviously is geared towards a PF. On the other hand, Jason Thompson is more versatile where he could play Center (without being out of position) because he definitely has the size and length to do so. If I could recall he is already playing some minutes at the Center position this season and he did fine. Griffin with get his 30 minutes just fine. 96/3 = 32 mins per player. Some nights Thompson will play more and some nights Griffin will play more depending who is playing well and nightly match ups. To make things more clear...

Griffin = PF (not a small forward)
Thompson = PF, C (not a small forward)

No, you're right you didn't say SF. I said it just making it clear I don't think JT is suited to anything but the PF position on a regular basis. It's like putting Garcia at the point - you can do it but don't want to rely on it as part of the rotation. Griffin 35 minutes leaves 13 minutes left for JT to play his natural PF position. It's crazy, especially when we so desperately need to fill other roles.

 

[KF8]

Assuming that Griffin does take the starting spot. I think it will come down to how well Jason Thompson play off the bench. Jason Thompson isn't particularly a player who needs the ball to be effective, like a John Salmons. A lot of Thompson's points and other things he does come from having good effort. If anything, the best case scenario would be that he could very well become a 6th man type player off the bench who could be a starter on any other team. A 6th man type player's value especially at such a young age does have somewhat of a nice value.

 

[KF8]

No, you're right you didn't say SF. I said it just making it clear I don't think JT is suited to anything but the PF position on a regular basis. It's like putting Garcia at the point - you can do it but don't want to rely on it as part of the rotation. Griffin 35 minutes leaves 13 minutes left for JT to play his natural PF position. It's crazy, especially when we so desperately need to fill other roles.

I guess we might have a difference of opinion on this, but Thompson can play the center position better than Garcia can play the point. My point is that Thompson can play the Center position just fine because he has the size to do so. I mean most NBA centers in today's game are pretty much undersize. They range from 6'10" to 7', while Thompson is listed at 6'11". He is about more than adequate to play center in this league. While he's not your typical 7 foot center he'll be just fine as a back up center.

 

[Oprostaj]

It's one thing to come off the bench and play limited minutes. I don't think that'll be an issue with the team next year if Griffin was part of it. If JT can't handle 25-30 minutes off the bench he has a problem. It's not like JT was a top 2 or 3 pick that is guaranteed to be the next LBJ or something. Now don't get me wrong he's done well for himself in his first year after being at a small school but to act like he is too valuable to not get a ton of minutes off the bench is pretty crazy for someone who in his first year was a good but not amazing player.

The point is - the #1 draft pick means to a team and fanbase - it has to be a cornerstone player. You cannot draft Griffin if the plan is to platoon him with 2 other young players... it's a disservice to everybody. What would have happened if Bulls drafted Rose and platooned him with Hinrich??? Mind you, it did happen in some cases during the season, and it was idiotic.

 

[bigbadred00]

The point is - the #1 draft pick means to a team and fanbase - it has to be a cornerstone player. You cannot draft Griffin if the plan is to platoon him with 2 other young players... it's a disservice to everybody. What would have happened if Bulls drafted Rose and platooned him with Hinrich??? Mind you, it did happen in some cases during the season, and it was idiotic.

They platooned Beasley with Marion/O'neal. They platoon Hinrich with Rose now. Kings don't have the benefit of being that selective with the players we are taking. The kings need to get the best players possible no matter what position they play. It's not like we have LBJ on our bench and we are trying to draft Paul Pierce or someone similar. We have a solid player on our bench who can be replaced and isn't irreplacable. Hinrich played 26 mpg this year splitting time at the 1 and 2. It happens all the time with high draft picks.

 

[Oprostaj]

Hinrich platooned because Rose was not trusted with his defense, and because Gordon could not guard me if he wanted to. It was by necessity. Rose was given full reins on that team, and when he sat, it was for short periods of time. Platooning is done with high draft picks, it should not done with the #1. If you are drafting this high, it needs to be a sure thing, and therefore exploited to the fullest ability. If you don't believe the player you are taking can contribute to that effect, trade down. It would be an epic failure to draft Griffin and play him 25 mins a night. Still not sure why Beasely is not playing 30+ a night. Nobody on that team besides Wade can score.

 

[beb0p]

The point is - the #1 draft pick means to a team and fanbase - it has to be a cornerstone player. You cannot draft Griffin if the plan is to platoon him with 2 other young players... it's a disservice to everybody. What would have happened if Bulls drafted Rose and platooned him with Hinrich??? Mind you, it did happen in some cases during the season, and it was idiotic.

First of all, no one is suggesting a platoon of Griffin/JT. It's basically Griffin getting starter mins and JT getting the leftover from Hawes/Griff.

Second of all, what's wrong with platooning a #1 pick? Toronto did it with Bargnani and Portland is doing it with Oden. If the guy is a franchise player he'll eventually raises to the top.

 

[Lafayette]

Trade Noc and have Griffin play the SF spot and that'll bring some D and just a tough front line

 

[Lafayette]

Trade 1st Rnd pick, Noc and Udrih to Miami for Beasley, Wright (not sure the salaries work).

Imagine

PG- ROOKIE/FA, BJax, McCants
SG - Martin, Garcia
SF - Beasley, Greene
PF - Thompson, Diogu
C - Hawes, FA/ROOKIE, Booth

 

[Dime Dropper]

Trade Noc and have Griffin play the SF spot and that'll bring some D and just a tough front line

What is peoples obsession with playing people out of position? It's mind boggling. Griffin is not a SF and he never will be. End of.

 

[rainmaker]

It would be a huge mistake to draft #1 and then follow it up by paying that player (Griffin) off the bench or out of position. That would be an ongoing problem until we move JT or Hawes, if we do take Griffin. All 3 will be nba starters for their careers. It makes no sense to me to draft Griffin if he plays the same position as one of our top young prospects... unless we trade JT or Griffin immediatley. JT is a pf. So is Griffin. This talk about playing Griffin at the 3 or JT at the 5 is retarted IMO. What kind of a longterm solution would that be? Rubio fills a bigger need on this team, and both JT and Hawes can play 35+ min a night.

So how would Griffin fit? Not as good as Rubio would on this team. If we were Washington, or another team with a quality pg, then Griffin would fit better. But Rubio will solve our starting pg problem immediatley, where as Griffin might come off the bench if we take him. I don't want a top 1 or 2 pick coming off the bench.

 

[bajaden]

If we draft Griffin, and thats a big if, since we don't even know where were going to pick from. And if, we get the first pick, there's no guarantee Petrie would take Griffin over Rubio. However, lets assume for the sake of arguement that we do draft Griffin.

Thompson ended the year as the starter and he should start the year the same way. Griffin will have some adjusting to do. It will take him a while to get up to speed. If it doesn't, then the dude is a superstar in the making and thats a great problem to have. You just work these things out as you go along. Minutes shouldn't be a problem. last time I checked there are 48 minutes in a game and two positions were talking about. Thats 96 minutes between three players. Comes out at 32 min a player, which is plenty to keep everybody happy, and fresh.

Thompson played center in college, so the position isn't foreign to him. He's 6'11" and if he works hard he'll get stronger and bigger. Contrary to what some people think, Griffin and Thompson's skill sets aren't that similar, other than both can play the low post. The difference is that Thompson can also play the high post and is a good passer from there. He also has that little jumper from out there to keep people legal.

Anyone that watched Griffin play, and believe me, I watched him play a lot, knows the dude is strictly a low post player. He's extremely athletic and quick, and very strong. He has a jumpshot, but rarely takes it. So at times, I could see Thompson playing center from the high post and Griffin at PF in the low post. Thompson also brings one other attribute to the game thats more important than some think. Durability! For a guy that spends as much time on the floor diving for balls etc. he seldom gets hurt. When you look around the Kings team and see how many people miss games because of injuries, its something to consider.

Thompson has always come across as a team player. If at some point in the future it appears that the team would be better served with Griffin starting, I don't think he would complain. He would still get his minutes. The guy has always been about winning.

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

It would be a huge mistake to draft #1 and then follow it up by paying that player (Griffin) off the bench or out of position. That would be an ongoing problem until we move JT or Hawes, if we do take Griffin. All 3 will be nba starters for their careers. It makes no sense to me to draft Griffin if he plays the same position as one of our top young prospects... unless we trade JT or Griffin immediatley. JT is a pf. So is Griffin. This talk about playing Griffin at the 3 or JT at the 5 is retarted IMO. What kind of a longterm solution would that be? Rubio fills a bigger need on this team, and both JT and Hawes can play 35+ min a night.

So how would Griffin fit? Not as good as Rubio would on this team. If we were Washington, or another team with a quality pg, then Griffin would fit better. But Rubio will solve our starting pg problem immediatley, where as Griffin might come off the bench if we take him. I don't want a top 1 or 2 pick coming off the bench.

You do not draft for need when you have one of the Top picks in the draft you draft for best player available and while Rubio is an awesome prospect there's no way I draft a EURO player who may or may not have the mental toughness to play in the NBA over a beast like Griffin. There's more chance of Rubio being a bust than Griffin. I don't think either will bust, but I won't be mad one way or the other if we get either. But you don't draft a PG because we need one if you get the number one pick you do the smart thing and draft Griffin and if Petrie is the genius we think he is he finds a way to get Rubio too.

 

[beb0p]

If we draft Griffin, and thats a big if, since we don't even know where were going to pick from. And if, we get the first pick, there's no guarantee Petrie would take Griffin over Rubio. However, lets assume for the sake of arguement that we do draft Griffin.

Thompson ended the year as the starter and he should start the year the same way. Griffin will have some adjusting to do. It will take him a while to get up to speed. If it doesn't, then the dude is a superstar in the making and thats a great problem to have. You just work these things out as you go along. Minutes shouldn't be a problem. last time I checked there are 48 minutes in a game and two positions were talking about. Thats 96 minutes between three players. Comes out at 32 min a player, which is plenty to keep everybody happy, and fresh.

Thompson played center in college, so the position isn't foreign to him. He's 6'11" and if he works hard he'll get stronger and bigger. Contrary to what some people think, Griffin and Thompson's skill sets aren't that similar, other than both can play the low post. The difference is that Thompson can also play the high post and is a good passer from there. He also has that little jumper from out there to keep people legal.

Anyone that watched Griffin play, and believe me, I watched him play a lot, knows the dude is strictly a low post player. He's extremely athletic and quick, and very strong. He has a jumpshot, but rarely takes it. So at times, I could see Thompson playing center from the high post and Griffin at PF in the low post. Thompson also brings one other attribute to the game thats more important than some think. Durability! For a guy that spends as much time on the floor diving for balls etc. he seldom gets hurt. When you look around the Kings team and see how many people miss games because of injuries, its something to consider.

Thompson has always come across as a team player. If at some point in the future it appears that the team would be better served with Griffin starting, I don't think he would complain. He would still get his minutes. The guy has always been about winning.

Well said, bajaden.

 

[Kings Faithful]

There's more chance of Rubio being a bust than Griffin.

I'm not sure if it is a valid argument but going back to 1989 (20 years) here is a list of top 10 drafted PG's hailed as being good to great passers before entering the NBA...

Derrick Rose
DJ Augustin
Mike Conley
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Raymond Felton
Devin Harris
TJ Ford
Jay Williams*
Andre Miller
Jason Williams
Chauncy Billups
Antonio Daniels*
Pooh Richardson
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Bobby Hurley*

Now, to be honest, none of these players are international but aside from the *, top 10 projected passing PG's have proven to be a great set of players. Not to mention 2 of those * can't even be considered busts because they were in car accidents that pretty much ended their careers. Judging from the past I say that passing PG's have had a much higher success rate than athletic PF's.

 

[rainmaker]

You do not draft for need when you have one of the Top picks in the draft you draft for best player available .

Yes you do draft for need. We need one of the top 2 players in the draft, being Griffin or Rubio. I have nothing against Griffin, but I think Rubio would help this team more. And we are talking about the top 2 players in the draft, after that the talent level drops immediatley.

and while Rubio is an awesome prospect there's no way I draft a EURO player who may or may not have the mental toughness to play in the NBA over a beast like Griffin. There's more chance of Rubio being a bust than Griffin.

Where did you come up with that stupid statement? Rubio had the mental toughness to start at pg in the gold medal game at age 17. And they are two completely different players, so comparing Rubio to a beast like Griffin, or Amare, or Karl Malone, or anyone else like that is pointless. Do you think Rubio will be a beast in the paint and grab 10 rebs a game? Watch some basketball.
What does being a EURO player have to do with mental toughness? Is Dirk to weak for the nba? Gasol? Calderon? Rudy Fernandez? Hedo? Tony Parker?I can continue if you like. Euro players usually are very tough mentally after playing pro ball when they are 15, and representing their countries in euro and world championship tournaments at a young age.

I don't think either will bust, but I won't be mad one way or the other if we get either. But you don't draft a PG because we need one if you get the number one pick you do the smart thing and draft Griffin and if Petrie is the genius we think he is he finds a way to get Rubio too.

So now you expect Petrie to get both Griffin and Rubio??? And if he doesn't get both than you think less of him? Wow. I disagree with every point you tried to make. In fact, I think you are less informed about nba basketball than anyone else on this forum. Congrats!

 

[beb0p]

Derrick Rose
DJ Augustin
Mike Conley
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Raymond Felton
Devin Harris
TJ Ford
Jay Williams*
Andre Miller
Jason Williams
Chauncy Billups
Antonio Daniels*
Pooh Richardson
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Bobby Hurley*


Judging from the past I say that passing PG's have had a much higher success rate than athletic PF's.

Alright, let's compare your list of PGs to the list of athletic PFs picked at or near the top of the draft in the last two decades:

Chris Webber
Larry Johnson
Dwight Howard
Keyon Martin
Antonio McDyess
Rasheed Wallace
KG
Tim Duncan
LaMarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh
Drew Gooden
Antawn Jamison
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Joe Smith

Still think passing PGs has a higher success rate than athletic PFs?

 

[bajaden]

Alright, let's compare your list of PGs to the list of athletic PFs picked at or near the top of the draft in the last two decades:

Chris Webber
Larry Johnson
Dwight Howard
Keyon Martin
Antonio McDyess
Rasheed Wallace
KG
Tim Duncan
LaMarcus Aldridge
Chris Bosh
Drew Gooden
Antawn Jamison
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Joe Smith

Still think passing PGs has a higher success rate than athletic PFs?

Damm! Malone missed by four years....