Here's the list of players I'd trade De'Aaron Fox for;

[Ozymandias]

I believe the last team to get that much production on smaller deals throughout the roster are the Thunder with Russ, Harden, Durant & Ibaka, no?

yeah probably, and the Kings clearly have more depth than those squads. they were mainly just those 4 and some poor surrounding pieces. I guess Sefolosha was still young then, but Justin Jackson and Harry are dirt cheap for 2 more seasons, then restricted, Skal's dirt cheap next year then restricted. and we'll surely find out what Mason and Yogi are made of by seasons end and hopefully both of them are good bang for the buck aswell and have a chance to be next year. Our expiring deals all hold weight too...

 

[kingsboi]

yeah probably, and the Kings clearly have more depth than those squads. they were mainly just those 4 and some poor surrounding pieces. I guess Sefolosha was still young then, but Justin Jackson and Harry are dirt cheap for 2 more seasons, then restricted, Skal's dirt cheap next year then restricted. and we'll surely find out what Mason and Yogi are made of by seasons end and hopefully both of them are good bang for the buck aswell and have a chance to be next year. Our expiring deals all hold weight too...

well those four did make the NBA Finals and three of them did end up becoming NBA MVPs so the fact that they didn't win an NBA championship is head scratching

 

[Ozymandias]

well those four did make the NBA Finals and three of them did end up becoming NBA MVPs so the fact that they didn't win an NBA championship is head scratching

Harden was coming off the bench i think that speaks volumes about that team, 210 games played and 7 starts... Obviously not the brightest minds at work... They were extremely lucky, i think if you're being objective they were gifted KD at the #2 pick too, never in a million years would i have taken Oden over him to this day that still blows my mind.

Vlade appears to have drawn a bunch of aces here as well, and pulled one or two of his sleeve in Bogdan and Bjelly, but ya certainly can't fault him for it, you can only play the cards you're dealt and he's done it well.

 

[Sactown ExPat]

Fox is literally as untouchable in actuality as Boston fans think (future Pelican) Tatum is....

 

[kingsboi]

Harden was coming off the bench i think that speaks volumes about that team, 210 games played and 7 starts... Obviously not the brightest minds at work... They were extremely lucky, i think if you're being objective they were gifted KD at the #2 pick too, never in a million years would i have taken Oden over him to this day that still blows my mind.

Vlade appears to have drawn a bunch of aces here as well, and pulled one or two of his sleeve in Bogdan and Bjelly, but ya certainly can't fault him for it, you can only play the cards you're dealt and he's done it well.

I feel part of why he came off the bench was because they didn't have much depth, as you've stated.

 

[Tetsujin]

Fox is literally as untouchable in actuality as Boston fans think (future Pelican) Tatum is....

Bostonians are certainly protective of young Rudy Gay, aren' t they?

 

[Ozymandias]

I feel part of why he came off the bench was because they didn't have much depth, as you've stated.

Well also because Westbrook is a ball-hog. Those teams woulda been better off with Harden as the starting PG and Westbrook off-the-ball. There was a lack of vision there, how u prune down those 4 to 3 and choose Harden as the odd man out is completely mystifying to me.

This is why I'm hoping Vivek just ponies up the $$$$ and keeps this whole team together as long as possible. Match all the restricted guys, **** it.

 

[kingsboi]

Well also because Westbrook is a ball-hog. Those teams woulda been better off with Harden as the starting PG and Westbrook off-the-ball. There was a lack of vision there, how u prune down those 4 to 3 and choose Harden as the odd man out is completely mystifying to me.

This is why I'm hoping Vivek just ponies up the $$$$ and keeps this whole team together as long as possible. Match all the restricted guys, **** it.

not all players on this team are untouchable. The Kings have their core players that they absolutely need to pay up, regardless if they end up over the salary cap.

 

[The_Jamal]

Yeah the Fox contract makes him an absolutely unreal value when factoring in salaries. Him being cheap another 2 1/2 years allows us to go get more talent to put around him and try and take advantage of our really great cap situation.

As far as "unrealistic trades" go, there's probably 5 or 6 guys I'd deal him for. Giannis, Davis, Embiid, Jokic (maybe) come to mind immediately. Would have to think on guys like Steph, KD, Kawhi as I don't think we'd be able to put a long-time winner next to them during the rest of their prime.

Basically, only generational-type talents at this point.

 

[Chupacabra]

I just wanted to open a discussion about what his trade value is tbh and then I started looking around at the top guys and like, ya know are you really gonna trade Fox for a much higher priced, much older rental, who's contract has a signifigantly shorter shelf life? I wouldn't.... It actually doesn't add up when u look big picture...

This should probably be it's own thread but there's a lot of stats thrown around, one i like is PER DOLLAR.. Ya gotta remember this is the cheapest roster in the league and the most expensive player Zach Randolph hasn't logged a minute. Lots of PER DOLLAR outliers going on...

The Kings are getting outrageous production and their all on cheap deals, under 10 million... for the following contracts;

Bogdanovic $9MM
Bagley III $7.3MM
Bjelly $6.5MM
De'Aaron $5.4MM
Willie $4.6MM
Hield $3.8MM


So it's funny for their trade value or in potential trade scenarios where u bring back big name players --- The Kings are not a suitable trade destination for Bradley beal for example, who's an excellent player and 25, cuz why the hell would u want him for huge return assets when Buddy is gonna make $4.8MM next year, it undermines the leverage vlade holds or I should say, that he's built...

36.6 million this year for our 6 best players XD

 

[Joshoua]

Fox is literally as untouchable in actuality as Boston fans think (future Pelican) Tatum is....

Davis is getting traded for Ben Simmons and speaking of Ben I’d trade fox for Embiid in an instant

 

[Tetsujin]

Davis is getting traded for Ben Simmons and speaking of Ben I’d trade fox for Embiid in an instant

Are the Sixers also eager to get on the "lots of talent but no one to pass them the ball" bandwagon with the Suns?

 

[NewArena]

Did someone say Ben Simmons who can’t even shoot outside of 2 feet and refuses to? Absolutely not. There isn’t a flashy pass on this God given earth that will make me think otherwise.

 

[The Hammer]

Davis is getting traded for Ben Simmons and speaking of Ben I’d trade fox for Embiid in an instant

Insanity. And then what do you do with Giles/Bagley/WCS? You'd obviously have to trade one of them in the next year or so.

Trading Fox would be like the Spurs trading Duncan in his second year.

 

[jiimbob]

Early in the year I posted there is no PG I would trade Fox for. Now there is no player at any position I would trade him for.
For a 2nd year 20 year old lead guard that wants to be here to progress this rapidly is priceless.

 

[Joshoua]

Insanity. And then what do you do with Giles/Bagley/WCS? You'd obviously have to trade one of them in the next year or so.

Trading Fox would be like the Spurs trading Duncan in his second year.

You’re not be serious right you can put Bagley/Giles/WCS all the strengths together and Embiid is still better. Plus Bagley/Biid could coexist not a lot of players I’d trade fox for but Embiid with a long term contract I don’t even think about.

Are the Sixers also eager to get on the "lots of talent but no one to pass them the ball" bandwagon with the Suns?

Woah Embiid/AD both pass there unselfish add butler and your looking at s potential dynasty. That’s 2 unstoppable players both being all nba defenders. I think Philadelphia will do Ben/Miami’s 1st as it’s been rumored AD would stay there. Ben can’t shoot past 3feet literally, this hurts him and the team vs elite defenses and in the playoffs

 

[The Hammer]

You’re not be serious right you can put Bagley/Giles/WCS all the strengths together and Embiid is still better. Plus Bagley/Biid could coexist not a lot of players I’d trade fox for but Embiid with a long term contract I don’t even think about.

Teams aren't lego pieces. Teams are made of people and Fox is one of our emotional leaders. So you'd trade the best guard of his generation for the best big man of his generation, when we already have two potential star/superstar big men on the roster. Just makes zero sense. Plus, the cost of damaging morale. Plus, you WILL stifle some of Giles' development. It makes no sense balance wise for our roster.

You have to at least wait until Bagley is a full time starter. He could easily be a 24/11 guy when he starts playing full minutes and plays with the starters. Bagley and Embiid on the same roster at that point would be somewhat redundant. Giles could easily be a 18/8 guy or more as well. I just think people don't realize how much talent we have. We have way more young talent than philly did 3 years ago. WAY more. It's just damn nuts.

Here are my untradables:

Fox
Bogi
Bagley
Giles
Buddy

Every single one of those guys is, or can be, a future all star. And there are minutes for all of them. You just don't trade guys that are young and improving at a rapid rate on a winning team. They may not be untradable forever, but no way do you trade any of those guys right now or for the foreseeable future.

 

[Joshoua]

Teams aren't lego pieces. Teams are made of people and Fox is one of our emotional leaders. So you'd trade the best guard of his generation for the best big man of his generation, when we already have two potential star/superstar big men on the roster. Just makes zero sense. Plus, the cost of damaging morale. Plus, you WILL stifle some of Giles' development. It makes no sense balance wise for our roster.

You have to at least wait until Bagley is a full time starter. He could easily be a 24/11 guy when he starts playing full minutes and plays with the starters. Bagley and Embiid on the same roster at that point would be somewhat redundant. Giles could easily be a 18/8 guy or more as well. I just think people don't realize how much talent we have. We have way more young talent than philly did 3 years ago. WAY more. It's just damn nuts.

Here are my untradables:

Fox
Bogi
Bagley
Giles
Buddy

Every single one of those guys is, or can be, a future all star. And there are minutes for all of them. You just don't trade guys that are young and improving at a rapid rate on a winning team. They may not be untradable forever, but no way do you trade any of those guys right now or for the foreseeable future.

I honestly think you’re getting ahead of yourself with the projections Bagley at 24/11 how many players are doing that right now. I love Giles but he can barely stay on the floor and your saying 18-8. How many guys in our team do you see over 15 cause Buddy has to be there. Fox is and will be elite but generational is a bold statement although I don’t see a better pg prospect unless Simmons is considered one.

And I’d trade Fox/Giles/WCS for Embiid anyday but Philadelphia says no and never answers a Sacramento area code again

 

[The Hammer]

I honestly think you’re getting ahead of yourself with the projections Bagley at 24/11 how many players are doing that right now. I love Giles but he can barely stay on the floor and your saying 18-8. How many guys in our team do you see over 15 cause Buddy has to be there. Fox is and will be elite but generational is a bold statement although I don’t see a better pg prospect unless Simmons is considered one.

And I’d trade Fox/Giles/WCS for Embiid anyday but Philadelphia says no and never answers a Sacramento area code again

Bagley is getting 13/6 in 23 minutes a game and they're barely even feeding him in the post. He's shooting 53%. Per 36, RIGHT NOW, he's about 20/9. I'm extrapolating for improvement. It's not a stretch at all to reasonably expect 24/11. I honestly think that we as Kings fans have a habit of undervaluing our players. We're just not used to seeing this much raw talent. Bagley is having a more effective rookie season that Fox did, it's just that he's overshadowed right now by the team's success as a whole, and Fox in particular.

Giles has played about 50 minutes in his entire career and they're taking his development slowly not because he's not good, but because there's so much talent ahead of him, and his knee issues. But again, if you watch, he does things no rookie big man has done in a Kings uniform EVER, in terms of passing, handles, and quickness in the post. He also has unreal hands. Never fumbles a pass, and pulls the ball out of a crowd. His touch around the basket is already elite. There's just no minutes for him! Granted he has a ways to go to get more comfortable. But Giles WILL be, at MINIMUM an 18/8 guy... on some team. Giles was our home run swing, and really the only issue with him was his knees. The best thing that could come out of this season for Giles is simply to have zero knee issues. That's all I need to see. Next year is Giles' year. He just needs a year of playing some ball.

I agree we'll have some scoring crunch at the top. What that hopefully will mean, with a floor leader like Fox, and every guy 1-5 being able to pass, is just insane offensive efficiency. We'll have the best offense in the league in 2-3 years. Mark my words. In three years, I see scoring breakdown something like:

Buddy - 20pts
Bagley - 20 pts
Fox 18-20 (9-10 assists)
Bogi 16-18
Giles 16

It'll be a balanced scoring attack, and unstoppable.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Harden was coming off the bench i think that speaks volumes about that team, 210 games played and 7 starts... Obviously not the brightest minds at work... They were extremely lucky, i think if you're being objective they were gifted KD at the #2 pick too, never in a million years would i have taken Oden over him to this day that still blows my mind.

Vlade appears to have drawn a bunch of aces here as well, and pulled one or two of his sleeve in Bogdan and Bjelly, but ya certainly can't fault him for it, you can only play the cards you're dealt and he's done it well.

Oden was considered the Bill Russell of his generation coming out college. Durant was considered a great prospect at the time, but Oden was considered a generational big and the best big man prospect since Tim Duncan. That draft also occurred in an era where the importance of traditional big men was still extremely high. It's easy now to look back at their respective careers and the way that the game has evolved to suit Duran't game way more than it ever would've suited Oden's, but at the time Oden was the easy, easy, easy, choice for whoever drafted #1.

 

[ppine]

I like the Hammer's post about not trading the emerging young guys. Don't even think about trading them.
I really like Fox and his focusing on defense. At crunch time he is a secret weapon.
Bagley has the physical skills to be a great defender. Many college players are not asked to play much defense. I predict in 2 years he can be a great defender. I really wish we had a rim protector at the 5 like Gobert, Jordan or Ben Wallace.

 

[Sneak]

1.)I honestly think you’re getting ahead of yourself with the projections Bagley at 24/11 how many players are doing that right now. I love Giles but he can barely stay on the floor and your saying 18-8.

2.) And I’d trade Fox/Giles/WCS for Embiid anyday but Philadelphia says no and never answers a Sacramento area code again

1.)I think 24/11 are low for Bags' upside
2.) I think you're crazy, and I am glad you are not our GM.

 

[Sneak]

Teams aren't lego pieces. Teams are made of people and Fox is one of our emotional leaders. So you'd trade the best guard of his generation for the best big man of his generation, when we already have two potential star/superstar big men on the roster. Just makes zero sense. Plus, the cost of damaging morale. Plus, you WILL stifle some of Giles' development. It makes no sense balance wise for our roster.

You have to at least wait until Bagley is a full time starter. He could easily be a 24/11 guy when he starts playing full minutes and plays with the starters. Bagley and Embiid on the same roster at that point would be somewhat redundant. Giles could easily be a 18/8 guy or more as well. I just think people don't realize how much talent we have. We have way more young talent than philly did 3 years ago. WAY more. It's just damn nuts.

Here are my untradables:

Fox
Bogi
Bagley
Giles
Buddy

Every single one of those guys is, or can be, a future all star. And there are minutes for all of them. You just don't trade guys that are young and improving at a rapid rate on a winning team. They may not be untradable forever, but no way do you trade any of those guys right now or for the foreseeable future.

Too much on the "untradables"
Bogi is tradable
Giles is tradable
Buddy is tradable

Fox and Bags are the only 2 right now I wouldn't trade. Don't get me wrong it would take a lot to get the others off of me if I was the GM, but certainly they could be traded.

 

[Telemachus]

Oden was considered the Bill Russell of his generation coming out college. Durant was considered a great prospect at the time, but Oden was considered a generational big and the best big man prospect since Tim Duncan. That draft also occurred in an era where the importance of traditional big men was still extremely high. It's easy now to look back at their respective careers and the way that the game has evolved to suit Duran't game way more than it ever would've suited Oden's, but at the time Oden was the easy, easy, easy, choice for whoever drafted #1.

Actually, there was quite a bit of debate about who should go #1 at the time. Oden projected as a really good defensive center that should rebound well. There were a lot of questions about his offense. The biggest questions about Durant were how good he would be on defense. No one doubted he would be a stud on offense.

 

[The Hammer]

If you trade any of those three guys you are pissing away value, because we are the only ones that know their true value/potential. It's high risk low reward. They're not necessarily untradable due to talent levels, but you simply don't trade them at this stage, budding stars. It's like selling a stock that you have special information on and know is going to increase, but others don't. They're not permanently untradable, but they should NOT be traded, right now. I wouldn't trade Buddy, Bogi, and Giles for Durant. For example. And no team would agree to trading a player of Durant's talent to us either. So for what we could realistically get for those three COMBINED... no way no how.

I wouldn't trade those three for Harden, Embiid, AD, Giannis Antet...,

And no team would do it either. You're telling you'd trade those three players for what, a high first round pick and a plus level starter? Cause that's about all you could get.

 

[John Galt]

Too much on the "untradables"
Bogi is tradable
Giles is tradable
Buddy is tradable

Fox and Bags are the only 2 right now I wouldn't trade. Don't get me wrong it would take a lot to get the others off of me if I was the GM, but certainly they could be traded.

Who trades their franchise for another guy’s franchise unless you’ve got extreme duress from a disgruntled player who might walk for nothing?

There just isn’t much reason to contemplate what you could get for Fox or Bagley - there’s no scenario where it makes any sense to dump them unless someone calls and wants to get rid of Greek Freak. And that GM wouldn’t get from his office to his car without getting killed by his fans if he did that.

 

[jcassio]

Oden was considered the Bill Russell of his generation coming out college. Durant was considered a great prospect at the time, but Oden was considered a generational big and the best big man prospect since Tim Duncan. That draft also occurred in an era where the importance of traditional big men was still extremely high. It's easy now to look back at their respective careers and the way that the game has evolved to suit Duran't game way more than it ever would've suited Oden's, but at the time Oden was the easy, easy, easy, choice for whoever drafted #1.

Not completely unlike drafting Ayton #1 this year.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Not completely unlike drafting Ayton #1 this year.

I'm not sure that the Oden/Durant discussion was quite the same as the Ayton/Doncic/Bagley/(JJJ)/(Bamba)/(healthy Porter) discussion was this year.

My recollection - which could be wrong or different than others' recollections - is that Durant was really debated as more of a Devil's Advocate case than a serious discussion about who should be #1. It was kind of like "Obviously the can't-miss generational big man Oden is #1, but WHAT IF the Blazers took Durant instead? Is that even possible?" Big men were still the prize, and however good everybody thought Durant would be (the Sonics were obviously not complaining at #2) I think Oden was projected by almost everybody to have a larger impact due to the nature of the game at that time. I never doubted Oden would be #1, for what it's worth.

This year I think there were a lot of legitimate cases being made for up to 6 players at the #1 slot, and I wasn't sure that Ayton was going #1 until the Suns basically tipped their hat late in the game. I think a lot of that had to do with the game moving away from big men, and I think some of that had to do with the sort of motor issues that Ayton seems to be subject to, and I think some of that had to do with the reality (average quickness for his size) not matching up with the sales pitch ("Fleet-footed center! Agile as a deer, as a gazelle, even! A ballerina in high-tops!"). That's not to say that Ayton is a bust, or that he's not going to end up as a stellar example of his style of player, but the NBA pendulum seems to be swinging away from Ayton-style players and there were several solid players at the top of the draft that many truly believed had the ability to make more of an impact in today's NBA than Ayton.

 

[The Hammer]

While we're on the subject I just got he perfect nickname for Bagley: MONEY BAGS.

Come on Doug I know you read this forum. When Bags hits a shot... "Money! (pause for effect)... Bags!"

Can I get a committee vote on this?

 

[John Galt]

While we're on the subject I just got he perfect nickname for Bagley: MONEY BAGS.

Come on Doug I know you read this forum. When Bags hits a shot... "Money! (pause for effect)... Bags!"

Can I get a committee vote on this?

We would have "Money Bags" and "Dime Bags" on the same team rad...