Hasheem Thabeet

OptimusRhyme said:
This guy looks real interesting to me in the upcoming draft, 7'3 265 compared to Mutombo only with a bigger body, and when i look at who picks in front of us and what there needs are Thabeet could very well fall to our range.
Thoughts on him?

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big and athletic BUT the guy is the definition of raw. right now all he is is a shot blocker. had a very disappointing freshman year and if he had any sense he'd stay in school.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
This guy looks real interesting to me in the upcoming draft, 7'3 265 compared to Mutombo only with a bigger body, and when i look at who picks in front of us and what there needs are Thabeet could very well fall to our range.
Thoughts on him?

http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/hasheemthabeet.html
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He should stay in school and improve his draft stock. Right now, I think the mock draft is vastly overrating him. He is rawer than that Sene guy from the Sonics. He may be too raw even for the NBDL.

Anyway, I'll pass on Thabeet. Not that he is not good, but we don't want to get stuck with a guy who won't command any meaningful playing time until 4-6 yrs from now. By the time his contract extension comes up, we still don't know what we have. Any team that drafts him this year is basically paying him to play in the minor league and sit on the bench for the next four years and hoping no desparate GM overpays him when he becomes a restricted FA.
 
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Yeah, coming in he was being projected to go in the lottery, now some think he will go 2nd round. Which actually...you know, it may be a subtle thing, but not having a 2nd rounder this year because of that Keon deal could really hurt us. A guy like Thabeet would be a GREAT 2nd round type pick -- a longshot with a potential pot of gold at the end -- where you pick him, stash him in the NBDL, and see what happens. In any case, don't think anybody is still going to gamble their lottery pick on him, but wouldn't be terribly surprised to see somebody in the 20s look around at the thin pickings and go ahead and take the gamble. Maybe if we find a way to trade for another pick...?
 
I watched him play a few times, and I think this guy has a whole lot of potential. He's extremely fluid running the floor and he has great hands. I have no idea about his post moves because UConn never once gave him the ball when I was watching him play.

I can't imagine he'd come out this year, but I think I might rather have him than Hibbert actually. You just don't find athletes at his size and with his hands very often.
 
I will have to pass on this guy. He hasn't really proved a thing in college. He would basically be lost in the NBA. Basically a foul machine because of his inexperience.
 
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, coming in he was being projected to go in the lottery, now some think he will go 2nd round. Which actually...you know, it may be a subtle thing, but not having a 2nd rounder this year because of that Keon deal could really hurt us. A guy like Thabeet would be a GREAT 2nd round type pick -- a longshot with a potential pot of gold at the end -- where you pick him, stash him in the NBDL, and see what happens. In any case, don't think anybody is still going to gamble their lottery pick on him, but wouldn't be terribly surprised to see somebody in the 20s look around at the thin pickings and go ahead and take the gamble. Maybe if we find a way to trade for another pick...?
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I feel the same. I'd love to have him, but I can't imagine GP picking a guy at around #9 who is expected to go in the 20s or the second round. I was amazed and delighted that Justin fell through the cracks last year, but I don't think there's any chance at all of Thabeet going undrafted. Zero. I totally hated the Keon Clark deal at the time, and I am still totally hating it now.

Draft picks are considered to have no value for purposes of trades. Same with cash (up to the allowed maximum of $3M) thrown in as a sweetener. I wonder if some cash-strapped franchise would be willing to give us an early second round pick in return for a couple of million bucks?
 
nbrans said:
I watched him play a few times, and I think this guy has a whole lot of potential. He's extremely fluid running the floor and he has great hands. I have no idea about his post moves because UConn never once gave him the ball when I was watching him play.

I can't imagine he'd come out this year, but I think I might rather have him than Hibbert actually. You just don't find athletes at his size and with his hands very often.
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The guy is not a basketball player, at least not yet.
 
Gary said:
I will have to pass on this guy. He hasn't really proved a thing in college. He would basically be lost in the NBA. Basically a foul machine because of his inexperience.
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3.8 blocks per game is nothing? I mean, maybe those things don't always translate, but you really have to see him play. Super-athletic 7'2" guys with great hands do not come along very often at all. He wasn't utilized well at UConn, but he'd be perfect in the NBA.
 
nbrans said:
3.8 blocks per game is nothing? I mean, maybe those things don't always translate, but you really have to see him play. Super-athletic 7'2" guys with great hands do not come along very often at all. He wasn't utilized well at UConn, but he'd be perfect in the NBA.
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he doesn't know how to play basketball. all he does right now is block shots, he can't even do anything else on the defensive end. you're going to have to wait 3-4 years for this guy, it would be such a waste to select him in the lottery.
 
Vlade4GM said:
he doesn't know how to play basketball. all he does right now is block shots, he can't even do anything else on the defensive end. you're going to have to wait 3-4 years for this guy, it would be such a waste to select him in the lottery.
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Do you honestly believe were going to get a championship during those years, we have to rebuild start young, wouldn't it be great to hire Vlade to train this kid.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
Do you honestly believe were going to get a championship during those years, we have to rebuild start young, wouldn't it be great to hire Vlade to train this kid.
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No, but I'd certainly like to not have to wait 3-4 years just to find out what we would have in the kid. Using a top 20 on him that we get through trade absolutely fine, but using the lottery pick is just plain dumb. If you want to get an unknown with athleticism might as well get Jianlian.
 
Vlade4GM said:
he doesn't know how to play basketball. all he does right now is block shots, he can't even do anything else on the defensive end. you're going to have to wait 3-4 years for this guy, it would be such a waste to select him in the lottery.
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I just don't agree. He's not a clueless player -- he did a find job on defensive rotations in addition blocking shots. He only fouled out of one game all season.

And how about rebounding? 6.4 rebounds in 24 minutes isn't too shabby, especially for college, which has a slower pace than the NBA.
 
nbrans said:
I just don't agree. He's not a clueless player -- he did a find job on defensive rotations in addition blocking shots. He only fouled out of one game all season.

And how about rebounding? 6.4 rebounds in 24 minutes isn't too shabby, especially for college, which has a slower pace than the NBA.
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I'd be fine picking him with a later pick, just no way in hell with our lottery pick. Way too risky. Would rather risk with Jianlian who at least has skills AND athleticism.
 
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OptimusRhyme said:
Do you honestly believe were going to get a championship during those years, we have to rebuild start young, wouldn't it be great to hire Vlade to train this kid.
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Sure we have to rebuild with youth, but Thabeet is not the only young big man out there now, is he?
 
fnordius said:
I feel the same. I'd love to have him, but I can't imagine GP picking a guy at around #9 who is expected to go in the 20s or the second round. I was amazed and delighted that Justin fell through the cracks last year, but I don't think there's any chance at all of Thabeet going undrafted. Zero. I totally hated the Keon Clark deal at the time, and I am still totally hating it now.

Draft picks are considered to have no value for purposes of trades. Same with cash (up to the allowed maximum of $3M) thrown in as a sweetener. I wonder if some cash-strapped franchise would be willing to give us an early second round pick in return for a couple of million bucks?
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People keep mentioning the Keon thing. What did that cost us again? Did we lose 2nd rounders for the last 2 years and this coming up (3 yrs)? I don't remember us having one when we draft Cisco and then Douby this past year. I remember a guy names Manerd that I believe was our 2nd rounder that didn't made the team.

We should have traded Hart and Potapenko for some kids and/or draft picks thrown in. They sure didn't give us any playing time, especially Pot.

I agree this big dude is a late 1st rounder/or early 2nd rounder. If we get a top 10 pick in this draft this is said to be loaded, I'd be pretty mad if we got a big dude that we aren't going to know what we have for 2-3 years or so.
I'm pretty happy we brought Justin in after he went undrafted and he is now on the team, now we just have to play the guy some more instead of this stupid small ball stuff with Corliss being our 6'6" Center...now that's just wrong!!! :p

Tell Miller & Thomas to take the rest of the year off and play the kids down the stretch. It's not like they are going to raise their value in the remaining games anyways! ;)
 
nbrans said:
3.8 blocks per game is nothing? I mean, maybe those things don't always translate, but you really have to see him play. Super-athletic 7'2" guys with great hands do not come along very often at all. He wasn't utilized well at UConn, but he'd be perfect in the NBA.
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He has potential, but for the first 4 years all he would be good for is 6 fouls. There are quite a few 7 foot players in the league who were not as much of a questionmark coming into the league that kind of REALLY suck :)

This guy wasn;t really that good in college. I think the best bet for Thabeet is to stay in college a couple more years..

As big of a question mark as this guy is I know some GM will take a chance on him. The sad part is someone might WASTE their draft pick on him in this deep draft.

Look back on the draft history at the big guys you think a GM might have taken a chance on (that had a shaky college career, or no college at all) and then look at all the players that were passed on by that GM because they wanted to take a chance..

Not trying to say he will definitely be a bust, but he isn't that good of a player.. Not yet anyway.
 
The problem is we don't have a great teacher for him like the lakers had/have with Bynum. He's not going to develop into anything more than a backup center chilling in the NBDL. He's so underdeveloped right now he needs to learn a lot about the game, this won't come with time but with good coaching personally attending to him and him getting a lot of minutes in real games i.e. he needs to stay in college.
 
Troy said:
People keep mentioning the Keon thing. What did that cost us again? Did we lose 2nd rounders for the last 2 years and this coming up (3 yrs)?
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Not THAT bad -- we traded Keon, who had been playing very well for us, plus two second round picks, in return for one second round pick. A fancy way of saying that we gave Utah a second round pick to take him off our hands and got nothing in return.

It saved us a little money, but if that meant the difference between getting one of those really great guys who occasionally fall into the second round, or not getting one, then it was really NOT worth it.
 
Tell you one thing i would rather have this guy over Noah. Who ever picks noah will have a heart break this year. The guy will be worthless in the NBA. Too small for PF, no skill or enough speed to be a SF. Noah is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
migibizzle said:
Tell you one thing i would rather have this guy over Noah. Who ever picks noah will have a heart break this year. The guy will be worthless in the NBA. Too small for PF, no skill or enough speed to be a SF. Noah is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Er...no.

I don't think Noah is a star, but he's got very good 6'11" size for the NBA in that rangy Camby like manner. He's not a SF. A 4/5 combo with energy. I'm still betting roleplayer, but we'll see.

Thabeet remains interesting whatever the intial disappointment -- the old "you can't teach size" mantra. But he showed little as a frosh and is a project type player. In a terrible draft year who knows -- whena guy like Sene goes in the lottery as a project, wy not a much bigger guys like Thabeet? But not this year, not where we are likely to be picking (unless we completely blow the stretch run).
 
Gary said:
I will have to pass on this guy. He hasn't really proved a thing in college. He would basically be lost in the NBA. Basically a foul machine because of his inexperience.
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Ditto...I saw a few UConn games this season where he got worked by horrible centers/forwards that were 4-5 inches shorter than him. He doesnt have any type of offensive game, whatsoever. I'd rather take Splitter or Gray over him, and we could get those guys way later in the 1st round, anyways.
 
nbrans said:
3.8 blocks per game is nothing? I mean, maybe those things don't always translate, but you really have to see him play. Super-athletic 7'2" guys with great hands do not come along very often at all. He wasn't utilized well at UConn, but he'd be perfect in the NBA.
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one more thing.. Shelden Williams avg 3.5 blocks or something last year, and he isn't even blocking one in the NBA. Although he is getting pretty damn good at rebounding the ball lately.
 
Gary said:
one more thing.. Shelden Williams avg 3.5 blocks or something last year, and he isn't even blocking one in the NBA. Although he is getting pretty damn good at rebounding the ball lately.
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Different situation --Williams is one of those epitome of college All-Star players, where in college he was big. Then he hits the pros, and all of a sudden he's looking eye to eye with SFs. Unless they have incredible timing, really long arms etc., the shotblocking and rebounding numbers of 6'8"ish college centers are always in serious danger in the NBA. But Thabeet -- he's a monster wherever he goes, whatever league. His shot blocking numbers WILL translate, simply because he will still be the biggest guy on the floor.

Unfortunately that's about all we can be sure about with him right now. Great base, but does he have thw work ethic and smarts to fill in around the edges and become Mutumbo II? Or is going to end up being a poor man's NBDL version of Dalembert?
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Ditto...I saw a few UConn games this season where he got worked by horrible centers/forwards that were 4-5 inches shorter than him. He doesnt have any type of offensive game, whatsoever. I'd rather take Splitter or Gray over him, and we could get those guys way later in the 1st round, anyways.
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Splitter....yeah, I agree. He should be a solid pro. Aaron Gray? No. Doubt he'll ever be much more than a backup center, and at that point I'd rather take the gamble on the upside than just another big body. Thabeet is a risk, but there is a big reward aspect if it pans out.
 
Thabeet has a good work ethic, but the problem is his game is so unrefined that he's not going to develop like he would in college, sitting on a bench or playing in the NBDL.
 
he'd be cool if we could get our hands on some 2nd rounders... i wonder who would take douby for two second rounders?
 
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