Grant Napear wins Emperor's New Clothes award

[6th]

So is LeBron James. So is Kobe Bryant. So is Tim Duncan. So is Shaquille O'Neal. So is Gerald Wallace. So is Rip Hamilton. Sensing a trend here?

Trade everybody. They are all one bad landing from ending their careers. Hell, stop playing basketball. It is too dangerous for anyone to play. We will not even discuss football, or rugby, or ice hockey, or...

 

[VF21]

Don't even get me started on curling. Ice, heavy metal iron things, brooms. Good lord, the danger is tantamount to running with scissors!!!

 

[Warhawk]

Except LBJ, Kobe, Rip, TD, GW, etc, haven't had microfracture already and are not considered as a big risk medically. Webb is, hence the lack of apparent offers for his services at the time. I bet GP did the best trade the Maloofs would sign off on.

 

[6th]

Except LBJ, Kobe, Rip, TD, GW, etc, haven't had microfracture already and are not considered as a big risk medically. Webb is, hence the lack of apparent offers for his services at the time. I bet GP did the best trade the Maloofs would sign off on.

That may very well be the case. That does not negate the fact that, thus far, the trade sucks for the Kings. The feeling that the trade was done just to do a trade is still inescapable (for me).

 

[Bricklayer]

Except LBJ, Kobe, Rip, TD, GW, etc, haven't had microfracture already and are not considered as a big risk medically. Webb is, hence the lack of apparent offers for his services at the time. I bet GP did the best trade the Maloofs would sign off on.

I hope you realize that that is not even remotely an excuse. Getting back three 1990 Yugos for your BMW with a bad cylinder and calling it a good deal because the next best offer was three 1988 Yugos, doesn't work. You still got Yugos. And you still got jobbed.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

So is LeBron James. So is Kobe Bryant. So is Tim Duncan. So is Shaquille O'Neal. So is Gerald Wallace. So is Rip Hamilton...

So is Damon Stoudamire?

 

[slugking50]

Don't even get me started on curling. Ice, heavy metal iron things, brooms. Good lord, the danger is tantamount to running with scissors!!!

"Curling, Curling, Lets all go bloody Curling!"

 

[Warhawk]

I hope you realize that that is not even remotely an excuse. Getting back three 1990 Yugos for your BMW with a bad cylinder and calling it a good deal because the next best offer was three 1988 Yugos, doesn't work. You still got Yugos. And you still got jobbed.

Yeah, but if that BMW is going to be in the shop for the length of your lease (if he hurts it again) because there aren't any mechanics that can fix it or it only runs half the time (no practices and only what, 2/3 of the games the season he was traded), I can definitely see the arguement for having the 3 "Yugos". The Philly 3 are more like Dodges than Yugos. Maybe not as nice as a BMW, mind you, but not as bad as you paint them.

Look, not to re-enter this conversation (AGAIN), but we still do not know who made the decision to trade Webber - Petrie, the Maloofs, RA, Peja , whoever. Without knowing that, we also don't know what any other deals, if any, were on the table and why they were not taken. If the Maloofs told Petrie to pull the trigger on whatever we could get by the deadline instead of waiting for the offseason and possibly getting different offers, are you going to continue to blame Petrie for following the boss' demands? WE DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY. There was a serious medical concern about a guy earning 1/3 the team's salary and someone decided a trade was necessary. We can speculate and gnash our teeth, but in the end we just don't know. We also don't know if "personality conflicts" were a part of it or not.

All this hate and vitriol over a transaction that we still don't know who made the decision to do or why, and some are ready to run Petrie out of town and continue to bash on those who feel that it may have been a good decision at the time to trade him for the best you can get because of the risks involved. Can we just agree to disagree on some things and move on from here?

 

[Kingsgurl]

Yeah, but if that BMW is going to be in the shop for the length of your lease (if he hurts it again) because there aren't any mechanics that can fix it or it only runs half the time (no practices and only what, 2/3 of the games the season he was traded), I can definitely see the arguement for having the 3 "Yugos".

Since the Yogo's are pretty much just parked in the driveway, what's the difference? Besides the fact they aren't as much fun to look at? Besides which, the BMW hasn't been in the shop all season this year. Much more mileage put on those wheels without incident than our collective fleet.

BMW- Sheer driving pleasure. What's Yugo's marketing slogan? Oh yeah, they don't have one anymore.
They ARE good for something though! http://www.cruisin66.com/stl/yugonext.html

"What do you do when a Yugo don't go? It's about taking a useless product and giving it a new life," said O'Callaghan, also the exhibit's curator. "I was blown away by the concepts. That's the beauty of this, the imagination." O'Callaghan drew on his experience as a set designer when he headed a project to stage a show at New York's Grand Central Station. His inspiration to fill the 20,000 square feet of space came when he saw some New York area children playing around an abandoned Yugo.

"To me, it looked like the car was in pretty good shape, but I found out the kid's dad couldn't get it repaired. There are no parts, no warranties. When the company went out of business, these poor people got stuck with these cars," said O'Callaghan. By placing an ad in a paper for "Yugos dead or alive," O'Callaghan wound up 39 Yugos, mostly dead, for $3,600.

 

[vj9999]

I hope you realize that that is not even remotely an excuse. Getting back three 1990 Yugos for your BMW with a bad cylinder and calling it a good deal because the next best offer was three 1988 Yugos, doesn't work. You still got Yugos. And you still got jobbed.

There you go making a stab at Peja again

 

[Warhawk]

Since the Yogo's are pretty much just parked in the driveway, what's the difference? Besides the fact they aren't as much fun to look at? Besides which, the BMW hasn't been in the shop all season this year. Much more mileage put on those wheels without incident than our collective fleet.

The fact that they aren't being used is not their fault. You could have 3 Ferraris in there, but if the coach likes the BMW, then that's what gets driven....

True, Chris has been very durable so far this year, and I personally hope he does very well (unless we play him) and he never gets injured again. But at the time, he was not durable/playing every game like now, and the team had to act on what was going on at that time without the benefit of the hindsight we have now.

 

[Kingsgurl]

The fact that they aren't being used is not their fault.

No, it's not. Neither is it their fault that even if they were being driven around, that they are still Yugo's. Hard to compete with the sports cars of the league when your driving economy cars.

 

[Coach]

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. If you liked Webber personally and were sad to see him go for that reason, I can understand that. If you think we could have gotten more for him, I can understand that too. But any notion that we would be a vastly better team with Webber right now is flat out ridiculous. Per 48 minutes, the guy is 37th in scoring, 32nd in rebounding, 77th in assists, and 76th in blocks. And that is the good stuff! He has more turnovers this year than Antoine Walker, his shooting percentage (43%) is awful, especially for a power forward, and he might be the worst defending power forward in basketball.

Before his knee injury, he was an elite player. But that ship has sailed.

 

[D-Mass]

No, it's not. Neither is it their fault that even if they were being driven around, that they are still Yugo's. Hard to compete with the sports cars of the league when your driving economy cars.

Problem is, our economy cars have a pretty high price tag!

 

[Kingsgurl]

But any notion that we would be a vastly better team with Webber right now is flat out ridiculous.

I find the notion that we WOULDN'T be a vastly better team even more ridiculous. After all, how tough would that be? We are one of the WORST teams in the freaking league. It would take 'vastly better' just to get to 500

 

[Coach]

Webber hasn't made the Sixers vastly better. In fact, they have a worse record than they did last year. And Webber is playing next to a future Hall of Fame guard in his prime.

 

[Yoda]

And Webber is playing next to a future Hall of Fame guard in his prime.

Hall of fame yes, but one of the worst great players ever at making people better around him.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Webber hasn't made the Sixers vastly better. In fact, they have a worse record than they did last year. And Webber is playing next to a future Hall of Fame guard in his prime.

Yes, Grunt made the same argument. Here's the thing. I don't give a rats behind about the sixers record. Our record is another story. How he fits on, or helps out on THAT team has nothing to do with what he was capable of doing for US. Apples and Oranges.

 

[loopymitch]

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. If you liked Webber personally and were sad to see him go for that reason, I can understand that. If you think we could have gotten more for him, I can understand that too. But any notion that we would be a vastly better team with Webber right now is flat out ridiculous. Per 48 minutes, the guy is 37th in scoring, 32nd in rebounding, 77th in assists, and 76th in blocks. And that is the good stuff! He has more turnovers this year than Antoine Walker, his shooting percentage (43%) is awful, especially for a power forward, and he might be the worst defending power forward in basketball.

Before his knee injury, he was an elite player. But that ship has sailed.

According to NBA.com his stats are much better than that:
8th-rebounding, 32nd-steals, 58th-blocks, 27th-ppg. I stopped there.
He's no Ben Wallace but Kings defense has not exactly improved since the trade. it's really not even about the stats though. He brought things to the team that has been seriously lacking this year-heart and leadership. You can't put a price tag on that.

 

[Coach]

loopy, go back and re-read my post. I referred to stats per 48 minutes.

Kingsgurl, a great player makes ANY team he plays for better. And as for speculating as to whether Webber would have made us better this year, it appears that one reason Petrie found Webber expendable was because historically we did not miss a beat when he was hurt and often times our winning percentages were better without him. And that was when Webber had two good knees.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Well, apparently having him OUT and having him GONE are two different things........historically speaking (us, GS, Washington)

a great player makes ANY team he plays for better

One thing we can both agree on. This team needs one of those, and don't have one.

 

[KP]

loopy, go back and re-read my post. I referred to stats per 48 minutes.

Kingsgurl, a great player makes ANY team he plays for better. And as for speculating as to whether Webber would have made us better this year, it appears that one reason Petrie found Webber expendable was because historically we did not miss a beat when he was hurt and often times our winning percentages were better without him. And that was when Webber had two good knees.

Thats why you thought we were going to do so good without him right? Good call.

 

[Coach]

Hey KP, the Sixers are really tearing up the league, aren't they?

 

[KP]

Hey KP, the Sixers are really tearing up the league, aren't they?

lol. I'm a Kings fan.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hey KP, the Sixers are really tearing up the league, aren't they?

Compared to us they are the '96 Bulls.

 

[nbrans]

Compared to us they are the '96 Bulls.

18-19 injury free and Iverson having a career year vs. 15-21 with a slew of injuries? I'd say it's a wash.

 

[KP]

18-19 injury free and Iverson having a career year vs. 15-21 with a slew of injuries? I'd say it's a wash.

1. They haven't been injury free. 2. (Back to the actual team we care about) Do you really think our record has anything at all to do with injuries?

 

[Bricklayer]

18-19 injury free and Iverson having a career year vs. 15-21 with a slew of injuries? I'd say it's a wash.

We were just as bad pre-injuries as we are now, and you forget they were missing Dalembert for the entire first month.

There is no "wash" here. Other than the feeble attempts by some to whitewash this issue that is.

 

[nbrans]

We were just as bad pre-injuries as we are now, and you forget they were missing Dalembert for the entire first month.

There is no "wash" here. Other than the feeble attempts by some to whitewash this issue that is.

Both teams are going nowhere fast, despite your attempts to depict Philadelphia and Webber as a ray of sunshine. I think it's safe to say that the Kings would be better had they not been beset with injuries and had the starters had more time together. Maybe not a whole lot better, but probably two or three games better, which is where Phildelphia is at. I had forgotten Dalembert was out, but it's not like they've gone on a tear since he's been back.

 

[KP]

I think it's safe to say that the Kings would be better had they not been beset with injuries and had the starters had more time together.

Doubt it. Since Reef went down we are actually above .500 .