[Grades] Grades v. Warriors 11/7/2015

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So a weekend which I gave the Consortium off and started warming up the pretty girls turned into a weekend of "good losses". Because mind you that's what we had here. The Memphis/Phoenix pair of games was just pathetic. I don't know who or what was responsible but they deserve to be slapped. This weekend's game though have been back tot he encouraging pattern of the Clippers games -- we played contenders, hung around, even took leads later in the second half, then they pulled away. If we had played with that spirit vs Memphis and Phoenix there wouldn't be so much gloom.

In any case, a loss. We are 1-6 and have yeoman's work to do. Now word comes down it may not be with Collison's help. But Rondo continues to show flashes, and if we get Boogie back there's still time to get into things.

Boxscore

Stats: 34min 22pts (10-25, 1-4, 1-1) 7reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
Summary: Note to Coach. Perhaps you would like to guess what position Rudy's coach was playing him at in Toronto?

Gay ( C- ) -- this was a down and up and down game for Rudy that unfortunately ended on a long dramatic 4th quarter down destined to bring more heat on Rudy for failing to step up without Cuz. Hit a three to start things off and give us a 3-2 lead, but settled back into more of the forcing and missing he's been doing as the quarter, and half, got atrociously sloppy. He came back more aggressive in the early 2nd and began to rack up points, and it looked like maybe he was through the slump and was going to put up one of those 30pt nights. But it wasn't to be. After A Kosta Koufos attack in the early third got us right back even, Rudy would hit only one shot in the quarter, miss a couple of threes, and go quietly to the bench. All of which made his featured role when he returned in the 4th all the more confusing. It was all Rudy all the time, and despite appearing to have a golden opportunity for such post up hijinks against a Warriors team trotting out 4 guards and Green at center, it was right back to the suck for Rudy as he missed conversion after conversion off the front of the rim, going 1-7 down the stretch as we could not score enough to keep up, before adding two back to back layups with a minute remaining.

Stats: 15min 3pts (1-1, 0-0, 1-2) 3reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Summary: spot started along with Anderson, apparently to absorb the starters' curse so our benchers could come in and try to win things.

Acy ( C+ ) -- well, he got the spot start, and in the early going he made a couple of strong plays with a big block, and a little floater for a score. Soon thereafter he resumed being Quincy Acy however, and Karl's usage of him began to get reactive. He was in for 4 minutes in the second, then quickly pulled once the Warriors replaced Green with Barnes. He was there for 3 minutes to start the third and there while Koufos bang-bang-banged the Warriors...but as soon as the Warriors responeded to that by yanking Ezeli for Igoudala and hit a couple of jumpers, Acy was gone again.

Stats: 27min 12pts (6-9, 0-0, 0-0) 10reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 0TO
Summary: solid interior defense and rebounding

Koufos ( B ) -- was trying to have himself a low key bigman battle with Ezeli in there, but accidentally finally got the clear better of him as we started the second half with 3 bang bang bang setups for Kosta, and he scored 6 straight points inside of 2 minutes to cut the Warriors lead to 2. Shaky as the Warriors commitment is to playing big men anyway, they immediately yanked Ezeli to break the run, and while Kosta would score one more time against Green, that was basically it for the game for him. Ezeli's numbers ended up being close to a draw, but most of them were against WCS's skinniness rather than Kosta's solidity. Less good than he was in Phoenix, but back to a very solid part time contribution this time.

Stats: 14min 2pts (1-3, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 3ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Summary: moved the ball and came up with one spectacular first quarter block

Anderson ( C ) -- this is one of those nothing little grades where a guy plays few minutes, puts up few stats to hang a grade on, and yet may have had an impact. In Anderson's case, it would have been on defense as his offense remains non-existent. It wasn't until the middle of the third quarter that Klay Thompson finally broke loose for a few hoops against Anderson, and he threw in a big block as well. The C is a similar giveup grade to the one I gave Acy. He started, contributed little, but may have done his job.

Stats: 44min 14pts (7-20, 0-3, 0-0) 12reb 15ast 4stl 0blk 3TO
Summary: it was like the good ole days for Rondo, pestering a star opponent, raking up assists running the offense, and notching a big sloppy triple double

Rondo ( A ) -- I had to think a bit about this grade: this game was the closest thing we have seen to old school Rondo -- he set up King after King for easy shots, scrapped on the boards, chased down plays for steals -- combined with the problematic situation of being forced into a role as a #2 scorer. But just having another player on the roster not only capable of nothing a triple double, but built for it, is amazing enough -- it was that versatility we lost with the Tyreke decision. And the real thing that eased me into a straight A grade here despite 7-20 shooting was Rondo's pesky defense on Stephen Curry, and Curry being totally ineffective for three quarters of this game (it might have lasted longer than that if not for some dubious decisions to rotate off of him to go challenge somebody else's host -- I don't care who that somebody else is or how open their shot is, they can have it before I give Curry and open shot to wake him up). During one second half sequence Rondo missed three layups and finishes on one possession but each time rebounded his own miss or stole the ball back from the Warrior who had. It was entirely appropriate that on one play midway through the 4th, Rajon not only gave us a lead back with a jumper to make it 79-78, but that same play got him his 10th point and secured the triple double. It hasn't been there every night, but for 3 of the first 6 games Rondo has been a very good PG, which is very promising going forward. And now he's going to have to be -- he played 44 1/2 minutes tonight, and we played the Warriors dead even while he was out there. But with the other PGs out, we lost the 3 1/2 minutes he was not on the floor by 9 pts for the final margin on the scoreboard. And with Collison out and Curry unproven, Rajon may get a chance to play 40+ a lot in the upcoming games. That's not necessarily a bad thing if it allows him to put his stamp on games like he did tonight.
 
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Bench

Stats: 35min 22pts (5-11, 3-6, 9-10) 3reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
Belinelli ( B ) -- came in the game still in the slump and was just godawful again to start things off. But the end of his first stint in the early 2nd he still had yet to score a point, and had added three turnovers as well. But fortunately it finally turned for him, and maybe us, the final 2 minutes of the 2nd quarter, when Rondo set him up for a three which he hit, and then he got fouled on a second 3 pointer and hit all three FTs, one of three times on the night that would happen as he was flat baiting Klay. And just seeing the ball go through the hoop made the difference, as he was off and running for 16 more points after half, and hit some big ones in the 3rd in particular. He still wasn't purely stroking things -- he still missed plenty and never did get into a pure can't miss rhythm. But he was back, and a major factor as our best scorer after the break. Let's hope this was the one that finally snaps him out of the deep trough he's been in. Does underscore the need to somehow find a second competent SG for those times when Bels is struggling, however.

Stats: 20min 6pts (3-4, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Cauley Stein ( C ) -- good hustle, but not able to finish many of those plays off as as the
Warriors swarmed. Invisible on the glass, and Ezeli did most of his damage against WCS's length rather than Koufos's bulk -- which is why WCS may be a classic off the ball defender on the interior. Did still manage to challenge and ward away shots even while not getting the steals or blocks. Numebr looked a lot like Phoenix, but it wasn't a bad performance like that one, just not a terribly productive one.

Stats: 29min 10pts (4-7, 2-4, 0-0) 8reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Casspi ( B- ) -- played a poor first half trying to put the ball on the floor too often, and getting repeatedly stripped by the smaller quicker Warriors. But he cleaned that up at halftime, and became a positive factor as the game wore on, including hitting a layup and a three in our late third quarter run. There was another one of those please stop now 26ft heaves, and despite a good board night, the one I remember most was when he got pushed out of the way down there and Green grabbed a key offensive board.

Stats: 6min 1pts (0-3, 0-0, 1-2) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Butler ( INC ) -- he came in and missed multiple tough contested jumpers and left.

Stats: 16min 2pts (1-4, 0-1, 0-1) 1reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
McLemore ( F ) -- SMH. A night after playing a surprisingly saavy and confident game vs. Houston, Ben came in against the Warriors and again killed any momentum he might have had with an awful performance. Given the good Houston minutes, I was a bit surprised how long it took Karl to get him in, although I knew with all the defensive pressure and swiping hands this was not a good situation for Ben. Even so, the actual performance was just mind numbingly bad. The Warriors just treated him like a child, taking the ball from him at will. The shots were rushed, blown, or rushed and blown. He missed a technical FT. And if I remember correctly he even helped Klay out by running into him at the three point line. SMH. SMH. SMH.`
 
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I can take losing but going down swinging.

Until we settle in after some of this injury woe, all I ask is for Karl to keep these guys playing like they did tonight.

I'm curious what you give Rudy.

Rondo getting my mvp tonight, did the best he could possibly do with what was left on the roster.
 
To me this is a lot like the Lakers game in the sense you can't anything away from this we played a team that was completely disinterested playing against a scrub team in the Kings and even with a D- effort managed to beat us.

#Rudy: his shot selection and defense have actually reached a comical level and everytime he steps onto the floor the ball movement and defense just rapidly drop off.
#Rondo tried hard did some nice things so respect there
#Kosta was solid finished well
#WCS needs to play more did nothing stupid and just battled and made people flinch everytime they went towards the rim
#Acy did nothing stupid played hard can't complain
#Ben and James Anderson just keep trying to out do each other on who's more terrible
 
I'd love for Rudy to create his own offense, but he really thrives just being behind the scenes. Could really use him having a good game times like these.
 
The Collison injury is going to hurt this team very badly. The Kings have nobody at guard who can play D as well as he can, or who has his versatility on offense.
 
- Casspi needs to go deep into the mountains and practice his dribbling. I have a heart attack every time he starts dribbling in place.
- Rudy needs to perfect a go-to fall-away out of the post. His body specs are perfect for it. Can't be a go-to scorer without a go-to bail-out move.
- Rondo, I love your passing, but cut down on the turnovers on the P&R. Your passing everywhere else is fine.
 
I'm kinda amazed reading around here how many people have jumped on the anti-Rudy bandwagon while skipping over the obvious anti-Rudy at PF situation.

Karl flat out is using him as poorly as he's been used in the NBA.
It's all part of Karl's plan to get us hooked onto small ball, then BAM! Trade Rudy and DeMarcus
 
I honestly don't even like watching us play. This small ball crap is just that -- CRAP! As I said before, ALL of our opponents run it better than we do. Know why? Because it doesn't play to our strengths. Funny, but a 1,000+ win coach with nearly 30 years head coaching experience doesn't seem to recognize that, but the weekend warriors of this site (myself included) can.

When I saw Quincy Acy in the starting lineup last night -- he of all of 4 minutes played in the 1st 6 games -- I wanted to vomit dayglo. That's the final straw for me.

It's like Karl isn't watching the games even though he's sitting on the bench for all of them. The team has played well when WCS is on the floor, but a perpetual bench player that only gets PT in mop up time is a better start against the reigning World Champs?? Seth Curry comes off the bench the game before and shows an ability to do what many of the starters haven't -- the ability to make some shots -- yet he gets absolutely no run at all? I'm laughing at the superior intellect.
 
I honestly don't even like watching us play. This small ball crap is just that -- CRAP! As I said before, ALL of our opponents run it better than we do. Know why? Because it doesn't play to our strengths. Funny, but a 1,000+ win coach with nearly 30 years head coaching experience doesn't seem to recognize that, but the weekend warriors of this site (myself included) can.

When I saw Quincy Acy in the starting lineup last night -- he of all of 4 minutes played in the 1st 6 games -- I wanted to vomit dayglo. That's the final straw for me.

It's like Karl isn't watching the games even though he's sitting on the bench for all of them. The team has played well when WCS is on the floor, but a perpetual bench player that only gets PT in mop up time is a better start against the reigning World Champs?? Seth Curry comes off the bench the game before and shows an ability to do what many of the starters haven't -- the ability to make some shots -- yet he gets absolutely no run at all? I'm laughing at the superior intellect.

Curry was hurt according to pregame reports and WCS was likely not 100% either.
 
I honestly don't even like watching us play. This small ball crap is just that -- CRAP! As I said before, ALL of our opponents run it better than we do. Know why? Because it doesn't play to our strengths. Funny, but a 1,000+ win coach with nearly 30 years head coaching experience doesn't seem to recognize that, but the weekend warriors of this site (myself included) can.

When I saw Quincy Acy in the starting lineup last night -- he of all of 4 minutes played in the 1st 6 games -- I wanted to vomit dayglo. That's the final straw for me.

It's like Karl isn't watching the games even though he's sitting on the bench for all of them. The team has played well when WCS is on the floor, but a perpetual bench player that only gets PT in mop up time is a better start against the reigning World Champs?? Seth Curry comes off the bench the game before and shows an ability to do what many of the starters haven't -- the ability to make some shots -- yet he gets absolutely no run at all? I'm laughing at the superior intellect.

I actually didn't mind Acy in the lineup. As long as Rudy was SF and we didn't have a point guard at sg. And Curry was injured just sayin
 
OK - then I stand corrected on Curry. I didn't hear that he was injured and he appeared to be in uniform. But starting Acy was still a very questionable decision.
 
OK - then I stand corrected on Curry. I didn't hear that he was injured and he appeared to be in uniform. But starting Acy was still a very questionable decision.

Then who do you start? We're just limited on bigs with Cousins out. Say we start WCS and Koufos, completely disregarding the fact WCS was less than 100% probably yesterday.... Our back-up bigs become Acy and Moreland? Is that any better?

This team doesn't have a 4th big and we're missing one who eats up 35 MPG. Rotations will be wonky.
 
We need a guy who's 6'10+ to either step up from the bench or we need to get that guy. Preferably, he's a stretch 4 so we can make up for Rondo's shooting deficiency.
 
Then who do you start? We're just limited on bigs with Cousins out. Say we start WCS and Koufos, completely disregarding the fact WCS was less than 100% probably yesterday.... Our back-up bigs become Acy and Moreland? Is that any better?

This team doesn't have a 4th big and we're missing one who eats up 35 MPG. Rotations will be wonky.

Well, despite everybody being concerned whether WCS was 100% or not, he somehow managed to play 5 more minutes that the player that was started. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the injury wouldn't have prevented him from starting.

And Moreland didn't even get any PT despite showing more than Acy in preseason. Just doesn't make any sense.

Again, it's Karl trying to matchup with the opposition rather that just go with his best players. Acy is nowhere close to one of his best players. Not saying Moreland is either. WCS should have started with Koufos.
 
We need a guy who's 6'10+ to either step up from the bench or we need to get that guy. Preferably, he's a stretch 4 so we can make up for Rondo's shooting deficiency.

You mean Duje Dukan on the bench? 6-10 stretch 4 or SF who has a sweet long range stroke reminding one of Peja? Naw, probably not...........
 
I like to see this aggressive Rondo every night...it just hasn't happened yet. Rondo & Boogie need to mesh together for the team to start winning some games here. Rudy's second half shot selection was much better than the first. I don't know if that was by design or by his own doing, either way....more paint points by Rudy. Koufos coming in with about 5 minutes or so left in the game to take out Trill, after he was playing the pick and roll fairly well and switching on everything very quickly had me really questioning what Karl was doing there. Trill did just fine in there when they took the lead and kept trapping their guards. Seems he is too scared to play him down the stretch or something as if he is going to mess up. Belinelli showed up finally but I still question his shot selections...some are just straight up terrible.
 
I'm kinda amazed reading around here how many people have jumped on the anti-Rudy bandwagon while skipping over the obvious anti-Rudy at PF situation.

Karl flat out is using him as poorly as he's been used in the NBA.

Agreed, I think Rudy has looked good while playing against SF's. He is not a PF unless it is Team USA playing the Euro game.
 
He should be able to guard, too. iirc his wingspan isn't that great

Let's just quit discussing havig the college scrub play an actual NBA game, m'kay?

Its like these powder blue jerseys have brought back all the stupidity of the past. Defenseless smallball, a new Ben Gillery, you name it. When we pick up Grege Oden is an attempt top emulate our Ralph Sampson awesomeness I'll know how to interpret it.
 
Let's just quit discussing havig the college scrub play an actual NBA game, m'kay?

Its like these powder blue jerseys have brought back all the stupidity of the past. Defenseless smallball, a new Ben Gillery, you name it. When we pick up Grege Oden is an attempt top emulate our Ralph Sampson awesomeness I'll know how to interpret it.
Stupidity hmm?

I was saying that as a requirement, he should be able to guard, not that I believe that he can. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
So in the last 3 games we played against teams with Markieff Morris, Trevor Ariza and Draymond Green at the PF Position, but Rudy Gay playing the 4 is the issue we lost the games?
It's not like these guys can't be guarded by Rudy. And on the offensive side of the court, there will be the same matchups no matter if Rudy Gay is nominally our SF or PF. Ariza and Green will always guard Rudy Gay just because they are their teams best defenders for players like Rudy.
Now we can debate, if we would be better of to play Rudy, Kosta and Willie at the same time. But basically this means we are down to 2 players able to hit jumpshots in the starting 5. When you think Rudy at the 3 can take advantage of SF's in the post, this lineup doesn't suite this playstyle all to well.
And even if we play like this, we have no backup center. So at some point we are forced to play smaller unless we play Moreland extended minutes at PF/C.

Forcing the opponent to react to your playstyle always sounds good, but in reality you have to have the tools to do so. For us this means we have to offensively punish smaller players with our bigs. With DMC out this means Kosta and Willie need to take advantage of smaller players guarding them. Now Kosta will always be matched up with the opposing teams center and will give you solid production, but there is no adjustment needed from the opposing team. So it comes down to Willie forcing them to go big and play our style, or the style the users of KingsFans.com want to see us play. So far Willie hasn't shown the ability to overpower players in the post.
We don't know it yet, if he can be a somewhat dominant offensive force. So basically we don't know if forcing the opponent to our playstyle would work. I don't mind giving it a try, but I believe it's save to say, that Rudy is the better offensive player.

For me Rudy at the 4 is not the problem. It's his level of play and his lacking effort on the defensive end.

Now I'm not advocating Rudy at the 4 against Zbo. But Karl startet Kosta and Willie against Memphis for a reason. And Rudy was guarding Zbo when the Grizzlies made their run in the end of the 2 quarter, because Kosta picked up his 3rd foul. Still Zbo managed to score only 4 points against Rudy. So maybe the run was not sparked by this missmatch.
 
Forcing the opponent to react to your playstyle always sounds good, but in reality you have to have the tools to do so. For us this means we have to offensively punish smaller players with our bigs.

So it comes down to Willie forcing them to go big and play our style, or the style the users of KingsFans.com want to see us play. So far Willie hasn't shown the ability to overpower players in the post.

You're thinking a bit one-dimensionally. Willie or Koufos (when Cuz is back) don't have to overpower people in the post or even score to take advantage of the size mismatch. They can use their length to rebound or keep balls alive. Obviously Koufos is more of a power guy while Willie uses his length and athleticism to disrupt. If either of them are paired up with Cuz against a lineup of 6'8 and smaller players, it should be quite hard for that team to secure rebounds on both ends or make passes near the paint. Even if our two bigs don't get the rebound directly, they have the length to knock the ball around and keep it alive for guys like Rondo and Casspi who are always pursuing loose balls.
 
Well, despite everybody being concerned whether WCS was 100% or not, he somehow managed to play 5 more minutes that the player that was started. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the injury wouldn't have prevented him from starting.

And Moreland didn't even get any PT despite showing more than Acy in preseason. Just doesn't make any sense.

Again, it's Karl trying to matchup with the opposition rather that just go with his best players. Acy is nowhere close to one of his best players. Not saying Moreland is either. WCS should have started with Koufos.
Name another team in the NBA that starts a non shooting PG along with two non shooting bigs, the last team to do something similar was Detroit and that got them to the lottery in the East with two bigs that are more talented and skilled than ours (when Cousins is out) and Josh Smith played the role of the other non shooter that Rondo is.
 
You're thinking a bit one-dimensionally. Willie or Koufos (when Cuz is back) don't have to overpower people in the post or even score to take advantage of the size mismatch. They can use their length to rebound or keep balls alive. Obviously Koufos is more of a power guy while Willie uses his length and athleticism to disrupt. If either of them are paired up with Cuz against a lineup of 6'8 and smaller players, it should be quite hard for that team to secure rebounds on both ends or make passes near the paint. Even if our two bigs don't get the rebound directly, they have the length to knock the ball around and keep it alive for guys like Rondo and Casspi who are always pursuing loose balls.

Well I was referring mostly to the recent games, cause there were many complaints about Rudy's role.
Having Cuz back might change things a bit. But there is still the spacing issue KingMilz already mentioned. And when Kosta is paired with Cuz mobile tweener forwards will kill us from the perimeter, while they clog the paint on defense and watch Cuz shoot jumpshots as a result.
More length will maybe give us the edge, when it comes to rebounding. But the question remains wether the rebounding advantage will lead to wins.
And that's the only thing I care about.
 
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