[Grades] Grades v. Timberwolves 11/27/2015

Does Karl survive December?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 60.0%
  • No

    Votes: 20 40.0%

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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I don't know. Maybe Rudy had tryptophan poisoning or something, but you aren't going to win too many games without EITHER of your top scorers, and that was our situation tonight. Throw in more struggles for Ben, Collison and Karl (yet another dumbass Acy cameo), and there was just no way, despite solid performances by the rest of the roster.

We're always right on the brink here. 2-3 wins away form nirvanna or disaster. And this is one we could not lose. With Cousins should not have lost. But we haven't seen much of Cousins this year. So 6-12 (after tomorrow night), and back to the concerns about mounting pressure. What if Dallas beats us, which they are capable of doing, and we go into Mexico City at 6-13? how will we react? Is it really hard to see us coming out it 6-14? As I said, we're right on the edge at all times. You can't just shrug through these losses because we are so far out of position and can't keep our franchise player on the floor.

Boxscore

Stats: 27min 2pts (1-13, 0-3, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Summary: this was so bad it turned me into a valley girl. Like OMG! Gag me with a spoon! Grody to the max.

Gay ( D- ) -- This was not Rydy's night. He started with a miss and that would continue the rest of the contest. Rudy hit his only 2-pointer of the night at 5:30 minutes left in the first QT banking it in from about 12 ft. and that was it for the scoring. He was guarding Wiggins, but Wiggins appeared to be too fast for him. After Willie left the floor, Rudy switched to guard Payne. It is hard to understand what really happened to Rudy's shooting. Like there are bad shooting nights, but 1-13 is a bit extreme especially when Rudy usually takes command when DMC is out. He was giving a mediocre effort in defense and committed a bad foul on Wiggins shooting a long 2-pointer. His only foul, which shows how little he was involved. His low rebound score tells the same story. A game Rudy certainly prefers to forget. --Kingston

Stats: 25min 6pts (3-5, 0-0, 0-2) 3reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Summary: productivity has fallen off a cliff, got Karl-benched again after half, but started assulting the rim with gusto

Cauley-Stein ( B- ) -- Willie started by missing a easy dunk after getting a good pass from Gay. Guarding Garnett kept him busy. Willie tried to help Gay by double teaming Wiggins just to allow Garnett to hit his only 2-pointer of the evening. Willie was helping Gay to hold Wiggins and scored a great block when Wiggins was cutting to the rim. Willie was not active offensively in the first half, but handled both Payne and Dieng quite well. A little over eager committing a goal tending violation. Willie became more active offensively in the second half especially in the 4th QT. Unfortunately he missed his FT's. Not a great game for Willie, but he did the good with the opportunities when the presented themselves. --Kingston

Stats: 30min 16pts (5-10, 0-0, 6-6) 13reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
Summary: so boring Vivek may demand he's traded for a monkey with cymbals, but strong/solided KAT into irrelevancy with boards & defense

Koufos ( B+ ) -- a few flashy plays aside, Towns never mattered in this one, and credit for that largely should go to Kosta, who is kind of a one man no fun brigade in the middle of George Karl's junkball circus. The offense was what we have known it to be, little hooks and flips, all below the rim, many of them from Rondo, most slightly open as he's slipped little passes when the defense is drawn elsewhere. The touch is mediocre, its not dominant, it will win him no FG% crowns, but like Rondo's own offense its just enough, and it keeps the scoreboard moving. More importantly tonight, despite fumbling several with his mediocre hands, Koufos was strong on the glass (although several were follows of his own touchless misses), hustling out to pick up long offensive boards, and sneakily physical with Towns, bumping him down low, turning to get his hip or butt on him as he blocked him off. The kid made the more spectacular plays, but Kosta won the war tonight with saavy and physicality. --Brick

Stats: 26min 6pts (3-9, 0-2, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Summary: Rudy wasn't the only King who did not step up, but Ben at least had some defensive moments, and KMart looked washed up

McLemore ( D+ ) -- Another inconsistent game for Ben with improving defense and poor offense and spurts of real athleticism. in 26 min he had only 6 pts on 3/9 shooting, and played good defense about 2/3 time. Several times passing up open shots to distribute to someone else. In the first minute of the game had a steal and fast break bucket, but by mid-3rd had only 2 buckets. Throughout was as getting kaboshed by screens and, as a result, was losing/chasing his man on defense much of the time. Either played his man tight (sometimes) or was chasing his man (most of the time). Very inconsistent, often times invisible, other times still showing glimpses of what might be. When Bell and Omri are shooting 13/23 hard to give Ben more time. --Cruz

Stats: 36min 16pts (7-16, 1-2, 1-2) 4reb 16ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Summary: Rondo continues to try to carry the show with huge floor generaling games...and then we take the ball from him to give to DC

Rondo ( B+ ) -- things looked good early for Rajon early, not only was he again directing the team to the tune of an absurd number of assists -- 6 by the end of the first quarter, a ho-hum shrugworthy 11 by halftime, but he was having to do a lot of our early scoring himself as well. Him having to score is essentially a failure of our offense, as he's never going to be efficient doing it, but he was blowing by LaVine with ease until he abruptly got snuffed on back to back drives by Towns. But the Rondo effect wore off a bit in the 3rd, although he closed it in style wit an alley oop to WCS. And in the 4th that destructive two-PG lineup -- destructive to our chances to win that is -- again reared its ugly head, and for some stupid reason we were running it largely with Collison on the ball and Rondo off. the twin twerps were towered over by the Minny backcourt pairings too, and defenisvely it didn't work either. This was 16pts 16reb in basically 3/4 work...then we took the ball away from him, because, obvious. --Brick
 
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Bench

Stats: 28min 15pts (6-10, 2-5, 1-2) 6reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Casspi ( C ) -- Omri again was Omri hustling, banging, shooting well and in general bothering any Wolves who came near in his 28 minutes on the floor. Only trouble was his perimeter defense was terrible as he tended to leave 6-8 ft of space between he and his man and when that is Wiggins, LaVine or Martin that is not good. In first quarter came in at about the 4 minute mark for Willie and immediately hit a quick 3, drove thru the defense for a 2-handed dunk and was recipient at end of fast break started by Collision via Bellinelli of a great alley oop dunk. Numerable times drove down the key for a finger roll or lay in for 2. In the 2nd period chased down LaVine on a break away and swatted the ball off LaVIne for a Wolves turn over. --Cruz

Stats: 34min 17pts (7-12, 3-5, 01) 2reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 4TO
Belinelli ( B ) -- In 34 min Marco was the leading scorer with 17, shot well, was constantly in motion on offense and generally played his man tight on defense. ON offense I’ve become a big fan of his running a complete circle around and behind all the players then making a curl up at the elbow of the key or out beyond the perimeter, getting a Rondo pass and popping in shots. That routine is as much art as it is basketball. His difficulty was on defense as it was usually guarding Wiggins or LaVine both 6-8, young, very good and very quick who between them scored 41 pts. Marco hit his 3’s from everywhere and his jumper was quick and accurate. --Cruz

Stats: 23min 10pts (4-9, 2-4, 0-0) 1reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Collison ( C- ) -- there were a handful of good plays in this one for DC, but in general this was neither a good performance, nor a helpful one. In fact to the degree that Karl's two-PG sets keep taking the ball out of Rondo's hands, they have been unhelpful. Late in the first quarter he got a steal to trigger a fast break, but it was virtually the only strong defensive play of the night for him. He and Belinelli got toasted in the 2nd, and he and Rondo got overwhelmed late. He wasn't efficient, and until late he wasn't even truly gunning. In fact one play he even caused a turnover by turning down an open three to surprise Omri with a pass. I think he had 3pts late in the 3rd. there would be some scoring thereafter, but nothing worth the cost of him taking the ball and playing keepaway from Rondo down the stretch. With a PG who has literally shown himself capable of putting up 20 assists on a good night, you aren't actually gaining anything ballhandling wise by taking the ball away from him to share amongst less creative players. Pretty empty 10pts. --Brick

Stats: 9min 1pt (0-1, 0-1, 1-2) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Acy ( INC ) -- the fascination continues. I like Acy as a concept and team guy. But I would dump him tomorrow just to take away a stupid point for Karl. For very little reason got the second half start over WCS. During which stint he did almost nothing, and was nowhere close on challenging several perimeter jumpers. If you can challenge a shot from 10ft away that is. Whatever it was Karl thought he was supposed to magically do out there, he did not. --Brick

Stats: 1min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Anderson ( INC ) -- just the last minute of we lose time --Brick

Stats: 1min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Curry ( INC ) -- just the last minute of we lose time after Collison got clocked by the big pick. Hit a meaningless jumper in the final seconds (I thought it was a three). --Brick
 
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Was at the game tonight. Rudy Gay was complete poo poo. We missed a lot of open shots (Ben) and we let grandpa Miller abuse us. Tough one to swallow. On to Oakland....that should be fun.
 
Ya you look at the schedule and try to decide who we can beat and it doesn't look good. Few and far between despite looking pretty good on offence most of the time. You just have to hope we will keep getting better.
 
Shouldn't be getting our asses handed to us like this . We're first in pace and in the bottom tier in defense
 
What was with the Miller body block on Willie? Did something happen earlier or was the Old Vet just showing the Rookie something?
 
Well what do you know, once again ridiculous, dumbass small ball(WTF was Acy starting the 2nd half for?) for most of the night on top of the Rondo/DC pairing absolutely killing us. Actually, I'm gonna stop calling it a pairing, a pairing suggests there's at least some level of syncrasy. Here there isn't, DC just kills the effect Rondo has. DC is a pesticide. Made Rondo a complete non-factor the entire 4th. Did so during part of his stint in the 2nd too.

I'm sick and tired of seeing us getting beasted on and run over on defense while Karl repeatedly turns to one big and four smalls. The Acy sub yet again shows our coach's philosophy. Go small. That's it. Go small and run. And seeing us getting beat inside, in person while our coach necessitated it almost caused me to get up and walk out of the arena. I can handle losing. But I'm getting pretty angry at our coach sabotaging our chances at success and it's happened here year after year after year.

I'm not spending another dime on this team while Karl's the coach unless he does a complete 180. The philosophy, horrible. This fool doesn't even know how to use Rondo down the stretch. Here's a hint: It's not having Rondo stand there watching DC **** around with the ball.
 
As a kid I was raised a warriors fan. As a teen, in 1986 I became a Kings fan and have been ever since.

Now I am wondering why I'm rooting for a team that is trying to be the Warriors!

The Kings are making me feel like a sucker. Even my kids mock me for my loyalty to a team that is determined to play wannabe to the bay town warriors. It's embarrassing that they don't want to be themselves.
 
As a kid I was raised a warriors fan. As a teen, in 1986 I became a Kings fan and have been ever since.

Now I am wondering why I'm rooting for a team that is trying to be the Warriors!

The Kings are making me feel like a sucker. Even my kids mock me for my loyalty to a team that is determined to play wannabe to the bay town warriors. It's embarrassing that they don't want to be themselves.
It's sad becuase all my friends are telling me to be a bandwagon and join the dubs. This year is the last time I'm giving this team a chance to get 35 wins or more, if not I'm done
 
If thibs is around we need to get him. Media uproar etc be damed we'd get wins just from playing properly and that's really what's holding us back. We shoot ourselves in the foot with internal inefficiencies to start with. Forever chasing with what is more or less a handicap
 
Not going to lie really enjoyed watching Andre school our players, perfect result would have been us winning and him schooling but I'll take one of the two, hopefully Dre keeps playing he can easily be a 3rd PG for like another 2-3 years not many better 3rd PG's.

Enjoyed what I saw from Willie in the 2nd half and Rondo was good/Casspi was a nice burst....rest of them......
 
Yet another very winnable game f**ked down the drain by this team.

Karl is an idiot, his schemes don't work and his smallball is pathetic.

Rudy deserves an F- regardless, not because his shot wasn't falling but because he continued to take f**king idiotic shots. He needs to learn how to contribute when he's having an off night because too often, he just doesn't give a s**t if he's not getting his.
 
It's actually absurd how bad Rudy becomes if his shot isn't falling. Yes, he can create for himself and that's valuable, but he's talented enough that he should be contributing in all facets of the game. 0 assists, 4 rebounds is simply inexcusable on any night from him, much less when we needed him to be our #1 weapon. His lack of defensive intensity is simply inexcusable. He just doesn't get how to play within an offense where he's not looking to ISO hero ball. Once again, I think this team is better with Omri's spacing, willingness to play within the offense, and hustle/energy on both ends of the floor.
 
It's actually absurd how bad Rudy becomes if his shot isn't falling. Yes, he can create for himself and that's valuable, but he's talented enough that he should be contributing in all facets of the game. 0 assists, 4 rebounds is simply inexcusable on any night from him, much less when we needed him to be our #1 weapon. His lack of defensive intensity is simply inexcusable. He just doesn't get how to play within an offense where he's not looking to ISO hero ball. Once again, I think this team is better with Omri's spacing, willingness to play within the offense, and hustle/energy on both ends of the floor.
Yup. Transplant Omri's personality and style into Rudy and you have a hell of a player.
 
Zero effort on defense in the first half, even though the game was close. In comes Andre Miller, who shows the audience just how terrible our defense can be. I had a feeling it was over, and went on to do something else. This whole team gets an F. It is hard to figure out what is going on with this team, and maybe they can't figure it out either. I see no joy on the court, and less effort each game. I hope something changes soon before the season goes full spiral again. Sigh.

Side note, the Twolves have a nice young core. Towns looks solid and engaged, Wiggins is maturing. Nice to see a team have a bit of success after 10 years of misery, although it does leave me with a bit of jealousy.
 
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We should have traded Rudy before this game, while his value was high. :p

Fs all around! Besides Marco and Omri.

Small ball is trash. I never knew Karl was such a Don Nelson. Vlade gave him this roster, that has legit size, and he messes about with awful rotations.

Also, in the words of Mr. Garrison:

**** pace until it's dead!


I still think Vivek is influencing things with his jazzamatazz. He's "wised up" by learning to keep his yap shut, but you can't take the maniac out of a megalomaniac.
 
What was with the Miller body block on Willie? Did something happen earlier or was the Old Vet just showing the Rookie something?

He just didn't like that the rookie got a couple of lob passes for dunks; he wanted to show there is a price for the glory.
 
Wiggins owned Gay in his rookie year. Now he just rents him a few times a year for fun. Also, the length and quickness of the other Wolves players does not help Gay's game any. He's used to being able to just rise up over guys and shoot. That's not going to happen with the Wolves.

The Kings perimeter D is terrible. Guys are taking plays off and "helping out" guarding the paint instead of guarding their man.

Wolves just have more talent on the floor. When they learn how to play D I see them being in the OKC stratosphere.
 
Wiggins owned Gay in his rookie year. Now he just rents him a few times a year for fun. Also, the length and quickness of the other Wolves players does not help Gay's game any. He's used to being able to just rise up over guys and shoot. That's not going to happen with the Wolves.

The Kings perimeter D is terrible. Guys are taking plays off and "helping out" guarding the paint instead of guarding their man.

Wolves just have more talent on the floor. When they learn how to play D I see them being in the OKC stratosphere.


How do explain Rudy's success against Antetokounmpo?
 
Wiggins has more defensive quickness than the Freak. Wiggins is a top 5 wing defender in this league right now, imo. He is scary talented. So many of his impact plays occur on the defensive end and in rebounding, not just when he has the ball.

I agree Wiggins is a talented player and the T-Pups played a good game. Rudy had no trouble getting the shots off, he just missed them.
 
I agree Wiggins is a talented player and the T-Pups played a good game. Rudy had no trouble getting the shots off, he just missed them.

We'll see how it goes with Gay against the Wolves for the remaining games this year. If Gay has a good performance against them I expect it's going to be the exception, not the rule.
 
Yeah small ball aside I don't see how you can point to Karl as reason #1 for losing this. We lost because Rudy Gay scored as much in 27 minutes as Curry did in 1.

Maybe not the ONLY reason, but as far as i can tell, the defensive struggles are pretty much on him IMO. Time and time again the switches lead to mis matches and perimeter shooters are left wide open. It's clear that regardless of the opponent, he is not preaching defense, and simply wants to outscore the opponent first and foremost. Doug was saying last night, sometimes your shot just isn't going to fall. Offense can be streaky. I believe defense to be more consistent and sustainable than offense, and good defense leads to good offense.

I think in Denver, the FO gave Karl more freedom to create the team he wanted, which was a team that can run and play pace. Here he has been given a team that's not built for that, and he doesn't seem to have any desire to change the way he coaches. It sucks, but i get it. He's an old man, and very set in his ways. It's unfortunate, but it looks to me like he's just washed up. I don't see any fire in him, or any desire to make any adjustments to his philosophies.

Bottom line, i don't think this team is going anywhere unless they start playing some D. You're simply going to have off nights offensively, but good defense leads to offense. Basketball is a game that relies tremendously on momentum, and i think it's just hard to build momentum when you're only playing on one side of the court.
 
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