Grades v. Grizzlies 11/02/09

King most repsonsible for this win?

  • Kevin Martin

    Votes: 61 50.4%
  • Spencer Hawes

    Votes: 17 14.0%
  • Beno Udrih

    Votes: 23 19.0%
  • Omri Casspi

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • Kenny Thomas

    Votes: 11 9.1%

  • Total voters
    121
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Mason ( F ) -- its possible, not saying its sure thing, but its possible that right here we have the performance that costs Mason his starting job and opens the door for Casspi. Desmond was completely dominated by Gay in the early going of this one, gave us zeroes across the board as we got off to the awful start, watched Gay put up 8 and 4 in the first six minutes of the game, and then sat down never to return. Casspi played well, and got the second half start, and that was that. Be interesting to see what happens next game.

Thompson ( D ) -- well, we didn't win this one with our starting forwards. On the night, Zach Randolph hammered us to the tune of 30pts 16rebs, and JT responded back with...7pts 5rebs, and of course his normal foulout. Got into early foul trouble once again. And one of them was probably a borderline call. But I don't care. Guys all round the league suffer through borderline calls and still manage to play 30+ minutes a night wihtout fouling out. Not Jason. Its become a real plague on his career, and a defining characteristic. Be one thing if he were a thug and defensive stopper and was making them count. In any case much ineffective bouncing aorund and several missed chippees once again. Still in such a hurry to get everything done that he ends up getting nothing done. And against the defense of Randolph there is absolutely no need to rush. Just did not look in the same class with Zach, and was by far our weakest starter among the crew we got comfortable with down the stretch. Did come up with a nice follow at the 2:20 mark, but then quickly fouled out for the final 2 minutes or rgulation, and was not aroudn for the OT fun.

May ( D- ) -- Okay, make that we didn't win this one with our starting forwards OR our starting center (of course the trick is that 2 of those 3 are not as good as their backups). And its not impossible that this was also the night and the performance that lost May his starting gig too. Gasol was rebounding right over the top of him and he had very little response -- 1 nice pass, 1 jumper...pretty much it. Once Westphal discovered that Spoecner was going to come to play, May only got a handful of minutes in the second half on his way to a lovely 1-5FG 2pt 1reb 4PF in 9minutes outing.

Martin ( A ) -- thought of possibly just having a one line grade here: Kevin was hot, nobody bothered guarding him, Kevin scored 48. The end. Because that really does nicely summarize most of it, but I suppose I owe more than that. The only one of our starters to give us anything tonight in a tipsy topsy game which saw us almost entirely invert our lineups, and he went almost the entire game. Missed a grand total of 33 seconds from a 53 minute overtime game. This wasn't perfect -- in the first quarter alone he missed a flying dunk down the lane as the defense parted like the Red Sea, was not able to impede or direct Mayo outside to keep him from creating in the paint, and he cost us a three by flopping on a screen set against him, and not getting up in time to challenge the open man that resulted. But all that said, everything he shot was going in, and thx to O.J. Mayo he could shoot whenever he felt like it. Got the buzzer beating three to go at the end of the first quarter, coutesy of Beno. Combined with Hawes to lead us back from an early 14pt deficit. And poured it on down the stretch of the second quarter. Just at times left entirely unguarded by Mayo who...I have no idea what he was thinking. Kevin had time to sit over in the corners and tweet all his friends about how open he was before bothering to put it up. Just able to square up Mayo and shoot over him repeatedly down the stretch of the third (Mayo is undersized at the SG). Also able to pick off a number of lazy passes up top. Started fading a bit late, and for once the getting tired excuse would have been valid given his minutes. Gathered himself to hit a big three at the 3:00 mark. But missed back to back shots on one possession at the 2:20 mark before getting a couple of gift FTs form Mayo for a dumb off the ball foul at the 2:00 mark. Sitting on somethign like 40 points or so, threatened to annoint himself the goat aftr coming up wiht another shaky clutch play, this time airballing the shot at the 30 second mark. Bailed out and given a chance at redemption by the Hawes/Beno connection however, and playd a key role in OT hitting a three, and then critically drawing Randolph's 6th foul after he had torn us up to the tune of 30pts and 16rebs. Hit the icing three at the 1:45 mark and then got up to 48 on an intetional foul in the waning seconds. The A here was easy and obvious. The question was whether to "+" it. In the end I decided no -- there we enough miscues, missed FTs, spotty defense, the shaky clutch shot, and while he scored a ton of points, it took 52 minutes to get up there. But still good for my fantasy team (2 of them actually). :)

Evans ( D+ ) -- not able to be terribly effective for the third time in four games, but while I'm not 100% sure of this and there was no visible limping etc., maybe we can just chalk this performance up to the ankle and move on. Started slow but began finding people as the quarter wore on when his penetration was cut off. Seemed to work well with Casspi especially and found him repeatedly on kick outs. Continued to struggle to finish those layups, throwing up a couple of ugly, dare I say Bricklayeresque looking attempts. Unable to tell how much the ankle was bothering him on these but definitely did not look like he had any lift. I will say this: more of a presence than the numbers indicate. Noticed that in his first three games as well -- big numbers or small, opposing teams are extremely aware of him at all times and he bends defenses just by his presence. Of course if he doesn't beging putting up numbers, that will change eventually. Did not play 4th quarter onward with Beno playing the game of his life and presumably a desire not to overwork that ankle.

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Hawes ( A ) -- welcome back Spencer -- don't worry about your Little Mermaid backpack and Barbi doll collection you were working on this summer -- we'll put them away in storage for you. Deep hopefully never to be seen again storage. Started off with a nice post move -- yay! Of course it was only against the non-defense of Zach Randolph, so you weren't sure if it meant that much. In fact was back to shooting threes within a quarter. But used a show and go drive to get around Thabeet at the end of the quarter (and send him to the bench just that quick -- not sure what a 45 seconds hook is about unless their coach specifically told Thabeet not to fall for that very thing and he promptly went out and did so). Then went back in against Gasol and backed him down too -- largely negated him in fact after Gasol has been pummeling May. And by this point it was becoming clear that the strong finish to the Spurs game was carrying over and that this wasn't the same fluttering Spencer we have seen all throughout the pre/early season. In fact think I am now going to coin a new nickname -- Good Spencer, this Spencer, a guy who goes down in the post and competes = Spencer. Bad Specner, the flutterbug of a weenie flipping up fall aways and threes and squealing at the slightest bump = Flutter. Well, we saw little of Flutter tonight, and thankfully a lot of Spencer. In fact played well enough that he finally resumed his starting position coming out for the second half. Even delivered maybe his first career hard smush foul on Rudy Gay in the third. Laid him out. Of course just when you were thinking good riddance Flutter! he got us in trouble next time down the floor with anohter Flutter 3ptr...this one allowing the Grizzlies to break out the other way on the long rebound for the breakaway layup. Did not give in to his inner Flutter demons though and stayed strong in the 4th, working particularly well with Beno, who was having a breakout game himself. Saved us down the stretch in crunchtime, hitting a jumper to put us up by three with 45 seconds to go, and then making a great pass to Beno on the slash to tie the game with 1.5 seconds to go -- his 7th assist of the night. This was not perfect, and I will not admit it was so until I get accosted by a pack of sad Spencer fanboys for not gushing enough over their hero, at which point I will of course recant. While he was our only board warrior on a night when we got smashed in there, he still out outmuscled by the groundbound but beefy Memphis frontline. He still had a few Flutter moments, didn't draw enough fouls inside, still chucked up three 3ptrs, two of which were bad shots, and one of which appeared to be classic Flutter running away from the big bag man inside stuff. But the mix was much much better, and when he did go down inside, he went down inside with authority -- none of the wimpy flutterinig fallaway junk. He used his body, dipped his shoulder, looked solid in there. And he came through in the clutch. So a huge stepup from what we've been seeing, and for one night the potential was back on the horizon. Now if he can just bottle it...
 
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Brockman ( INC ) -- well Brock, was nice knowing you. Got a half dozen early minutes in this one and did little with them. Did show some decent nifty on a reverse layup for his only score, but that was largely it. Not a factor on the glass as the Memphis duo banged us around in there with ample help from Gay. And then disaster struck for Peaches' career: the man, the myth, the legend, Kenny Thomas returned to the lineup to steal the remainder of his minutes. And as is well known, nothing can stand before K9.

Nocioni ( B ) -- ah, finally we get to a guy who was neither champ nor chump on the night. Entered the game and immediately got into the mix, good and bad. Turned it over up top for a breakaway for the Grizz the other way, but came back down the court to hit a three in response. Was in and out of the lineup in the second half providing able assistance and energy to our stars on the night. Back in in OT after Randolph fouled out and gave us the lead on the drive at the 2:20 mark before finsihing things off the Grizz with a three to put us 7 or 9, I forget. Interesting how Westphal has used him in the first 4 games. He's the proven pro, apparently the most qualified of our healthy SFs, but coach has steadfastly kept his role and his minutes the same, while experimenting with more or less of Mason and Casspi each night. Noc starting does not appear to be a consideration. Noc falling back in the rotation does not appear to be a consideration. He's locked in.

Udrih ( A- ) -- out of nowhere played a heck of a game off the bench in relief of Reke. Really was his insertion as much as anyone's who seemed to spark us to come back from the big early deficit. Kept Reke on the bench as we came all the way back and worked well wihit both Hawes and Kevin -- some irony to maybe our three softest players getting together to win this one. Lost control of Iverson defensively in his second stint in the third quarter, but ran the offense so well in the 4th quarter that not only did it not matter, buthe kept reke pinned ot the bench (the ankle possibly had something to do wiht that, but Beno was definitely rolling). Strong down the stretch as well, in particular working in tandem with Hawes -- ran a nice pick and roll with Spencer at the 4:30 mark (Hawes rolled too, not popped), and made big plays down the stretch to save us for OT. Hit the game tying layup with 1.5 seconds to go via a great bounce pass from Spencer. Hope Geoff started making phone calls around the league within 5 minutes of the closing buzzer. We've seen these occasional flashes from Beno before, and they never last. Strike while the iron is hot Geoff! :D

Casspi ( A- ) -- maybe an establishing game for Omri as he became our 4th horseman on the night wiht a tough scrappy effort that inspired the crowd at the very least. Did a much better job defenisvely against Gay than had Mason and hit all his first half shots. In fact played well enough that Westphal bumped him up and let him start the second half...at which point he immediately missed his first shot. Came back and hit a three on the break courtesy of Evans. Got a block on Randolph. Began to tail off as quarter ran along, unable to finish inside, missed his three. But was back in the 4th and again scrapping inside, ripping a rebound away from Randolph with less than a minute to go -- in fact of all the Kings appeared to be the one least intimidated by Zbo and was right there scrapping with him. Had a late dunk in OT, and a follow layup off a FT rebound too. Continues to look very confident and composed on offense -- knows what he wants to do and has no hesitation. And yeah he's been a pro or whatever. But he's still a kid. And guys like Hawes have been pros for years too, in a higher league even, and still are prone to flutterinig about taking bad shots and losing confidence. None of that with Omri.

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Thomas ( A+++ ) -- back on the active roster...ahead of Greene I expect. Ugh. Way to throw ice water on the home opener Paul. Jeesh. Got beat by Randoplh for the near game winner with 6 seconds to go, fortunately we tied it back up. Its a freakin' nightmare. Had an offensive rebound in OT but gave way to Noc once he was no longer needed to gaurd Zbo (when Zbo fouled out). Gets the A+...+...+ because hey, its Kenny Thomas. To know him is to love him is to know him. Peaches who? We've got K9 in the house! Woot!!
 
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Kenny Thomas's star is rising again. Great to see things work out.

As drummer Carl Allen told me once over a BBQ Pork Sandwich 5 years ago: "Kenny Thomas is a baller."
 
Coach just said Kings would not have won tonight w/o Kenny Thomas - and he added taking nothing away from Kevin's 49 pts. I voted Beno in the poll but there were a LOT of solid efforts by Kings especially off the bench.
 
Lol at PJazz19 :D

As for the poll, Udrih came through, took control of the offense and made a clutch layup. I can honestly he looked like his pre-MLE self.
 
although kmart was amazing I think you can't say who is responseble for this win and mention one player.

Kmart, beno, hawes, casspi and noc did great job and played for the team, they all made a great affort and that's why we won
 
I was especially pleased with Omri tonight, he was super active and that showed with his +/- of +23.
 
I voted for Kevin, he played well for all 48.

I expected him to go ice cold in the forth, big shots, great shooting...big props to Beno though.
 
Wouldn't have been a game to win if Kevin hadn't carried them there. Which is not to take away from the big plays made by Omri (love that kid) and Beno, especially down the stretch.
 
Coach just said Kings would not have won tonight w/o Kenny Thomas - and he added taking nothing away from Kevin's 49 pts. I voted Beno in the poll but there were a LOT of solid efforts by Kings especially off the bench.
I would have sworn he said that about Hawes, not KT. Or are your pulling legs? Westphal said he was glad for Hawes and proud of him, too.
 
Surprised Westphal didn't make this list. The guy should get a lotto ticket tonight because every move he made looked prophetic. Guys who were ineffective went to the pine and never came back as he went with the hot hands. Pulled Kenny Thomas out of the deck instead of reshuffling through Brockman/smallball/May and it looked amazing. Kept Omri in even when it was close instead of trying to get a vet in, and Omri was key. I was even annoyed when after KT grabbed some huge OT boards coach yanked him when Zack Randolph fouled out for Noc...Then Noc immediately scored, got a key block, and hit a huge three as well as being a terror on defense.
 
Surprised Westphal didn't make this list. The guy should get a lotto ticket tonight because every move he made looked prophetic. Guys who were ineffective went to the pine and never came back as he went with the hot hands. Pulled Kenny Thomas out of the deck instead of reshuffling through Brockman/smallball/May and it looked amazing. Kept Omri in even when it was close instead of trying to get a vet in, and Omri was key. I was even annoyed when after KT grabbed some huge OT boards coach yanked him when Zack Randolph fouled out for Noc...Then Noc immediately scored, got a key block, and hit a huge three as well as being a terror on defense.


Im so glad he started Omri in the 3rd too instead of Mason.
 
martin played the entire game.... hawes played 44 minutes... casspi played 30. wow...

the only downside to this game was the fact that martin and evans missed 8 freethrows. they couldve won in regulation if the made their freethrows... luckily rudy gay missed those last 2...
 
We really don't appreciate Kevin Martin enough.. how can a guy put up 48/5/4/4 and have less than half of the vote for who was most responsible for the win?? We always do this to our players.. we adore them as they are solidifying themselves, then once they are solidified at various levels we focus only on their weaknesses and hate (i.e. Webber, Peja, Bibby, Martin, etc.). Think about it.
 
Dear Mr. Bricklayer:

How can you grade player an "A' and proceed to criticize him repeatedly and deliver backhand compliments throughout your analysis? You suppose OJ Mayo let K-Mart score, as if he wasn't trying or too inept. Perhaps, and more likely, K-Mart is too tall and too quick for OJ Mayo? Let's add up the number of wonderful appraisals you hand out to K-Mart on his way to 48 points:

Martin ( A ) -- thought of possibly just having a one line grade here: Kevin was hot, nobody bothered guarding him, Kevin scored 48. The end. Because that really does nicely summarize most of it, but I suppose I owe more than that. The only one of our starters to give us anything tonight in a tipsy topsy game which saw us almost entirely invert our lineups, and he went almost the entire game. Missed a grand total of 33 seconds from a 53 minute overtime game. This wasn't perfect -- in the first quarter alone he missed a flying dunk down the lane as the defense parted like the Red Sea, was not able to impede or direct Mayo outside to keep him from creating in the paint, and he cost us a three by flopping on a screen set against him, and not getting up in time to challenge the open man that resulted. But all that said, everything he shot was going in, and thx to O.J. Mayo he could shoot whenever he felt like it. Got the buzzer beating three to go at the end of the first quarter, coutesy of Beno. Combined with Hawes to lead us back from an early 14pt deficit. And poured it on down the stretch of the second quarter. Just at times left entirely unguarded by Mayo who...I have no idea what he was thinking. Kevin had time to sit over in the corners and tweet all his friends about how open he was before bothering to put it up. Just able to square up Mayo and shoot over him repeatedly down the stretch of the third (Mayo is undersized at the SG). Also able to pick off a number of lazy passes up top. Started fading a bit late, and for once the getting tired excuse would have been valid given his minutes. Gathered himself to hit a big three at the 3:00 mark. But missed back to back shots on one possession at the 2:20 mark before getting a couple of gift FTs form Mayo for a dumb off the ball foul at the 2:00 mark. Sitting on somethign like 40 points or so, threatened to annoint himself the goat aftr coming up wiht another shaky clutch play, this time airballing the shot at the 30 second mark. Bailed out and given a chance at redemption by the Hawes/Beno connection however, and playd a key role in OT hitting a three, and then critically drawing Randolph's 6th foul after he had torn us up to the tune of 30pts and 16rebs. Hit the icing three at the 1:45 mark and then got up to 48 on an intetional foul in the waning seconds. The A here was easy and obvious. The question was whether to "+" it. In the end I decided no -- there we enough miscues, missed FTs, spotty defense, the shaky clutch shot, and while he scored a ton of points, it took 52 minutes to get up there. But still good for my fantasy team (2 of them actually). :)


I count 13 little jabs delivered K-Marts way, all bolded.

I have no problem with an objective criticism. But this is not that. It is absurd that the end of your little sypnosis you find fault with a guy scoring 48 points because it took all of regulation and overtime, as if he should have tallied that total halfway through the 4th quarter to meet with your standards.

K-Mart is such an incredible and efficient scorer, I think observers tend to take it for granted. I will refer to you as an observer, because you certainly don't sound like much of a fan.
 
I voted for Hawes.

I know, an amazing game for Matin. Beno played as well as he ever has. Omri is a stud. etc. etc. all the wayu down to Thompson got into foul trouble again. May is a lamp post and Mason looked like he couldn't find his car in the parking lot at the mall.
I was particularly pleased to see that Spencer found his heart. He scored, blocked shots, made good passes and didn't get pushed around under the boards. He actually lade a hard foul on somebody last night that had some of the Grizzly players looking around like who is this guy? Best game I've ever seen him play. He still takes too many long shots.
I'm not anointing them a playoff team at all. Just a good game for this very young team to build on.:D
 
I count 13 little jabs delivered K-Marts way, all bolded.

Works for me. I'm pretty sure playing defense was in the job description when he took the gig. When you have a player score 48 points and his team just barely pulls off a win, or has a 12 win season, something is wrong. In my mind, Kevin Martin has come to represent the lack of commitment by the Kings to DEFENSE. As far as I'm concerned, any player not committed to playing said defense should earn a place on the bench, 48 points or not. 13 jabs is going easy on him in my opinion.
 
Thompson ( D ) -- well, we didn't win this one with our starting forwards. On the night, Zach Randolph hammered us to the tune of 30pts 16rebs, and JT responded back with...7pts 5rebs, and of course his normal foulout. Got into early foul trouble once again. And one of them was probably a borderline call. But I don't care. Guys all round the league suffer through borderline calls and still manage to play 30+ minutes a night wihtout fouling out. Not Jason. Its become a real plague on his career, and a defining characteristic. Be one thing if he were a thug and defensive stopper and was making them count. In any case much ineffective bouncing aorund and several missed chippees once again. Still in such a hurry to get everything done that he ends up getting nothing done. And against the defense of Randolph there is absolutely no need to rush. Just did not look in the same class with Zach, and was by far our weakest starter among the crew we got comfortable with down the stretch. Did come up with a nice follow at the 2:20 mark, but then quickly fouled out for the final 2 minutes or rgulation, and was not aroudn for the OT fun.

I still don't get how JT can be 6-11 and be manhandled by a stubby Eddie Winslow.

-Is this still the whole Guard to PF transition thing he dealt with at Ryder?
-Or maybe JT still doesn't know that he's 6-11 and that he can use his body effectively if wants to?
-Or JT's body a fascade and he only looks big because he works out the glamour muscles?
 
Omri was the man last night. His focus, gritt, shooting and defending were a vet not a rookie. Every game he improves. Every game! His minutes tell the tale of this game. I'd give him a B or B+ for this early in the season.

Now, the other side of this coin. If he starts, who comes off the bench at the 3 spot? Noce? Probably as Noce can play the 3 and 4 depending on matchups and we need someone to backup JT as well when he gets his two quick fouls.

Noce is showing his mettle in the Griz game both with 3's and rebounding. I'd give him a B+

Tyreke was hobbled with a bad stick and Beno showed his mettle as well off the bench. His grade (from me at least) would be an INC.

Westphal seems to be making the right subs for the situations so his grade would be at least a B+
 
Dear Mr. Bricklayer:

How can you grade player an "A' and proceed to criticize him repeatedly and deliver backhand compliments throughout your analysis? You suppose OJ Mayo let K-Mart score, as if he wasn't trying or too inept. Perhaps, and more likely, K-Mart is too tall and too quick for OJ Mayo? Let's add up the number of wonderful appraisals you hand out to K-Mart on his way to 48 points:




I count 13 little jabs delivered K-Marts way, all bolded.

I have no problem with an objective criticism. But this is not that. It is absurd that the end of your little sypnosis you find fault with a guy scoring 48 points because it took all of regulation and overtime, as if he should have tallied that total halfway through the 4th quarter to meet with your standards.

K-Mart is such an incredible and efficient scorer, I think observers tend to take it for granted. I will refer to you as an observer, because you certainly don't sound like much of a fan.

Isn't it obvious yet that optimism is not very welcome at this sight? :rolleyes:
 
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