Gilbert Arenas opts out of contract as expected

[JerN820]

I know he wants to be with the Wizards, but any chance the Kings make a move to try and get him? I think he is a stud but I wouldnt pay too much for him. We'll see how his knee injury has affected him as well. What do you guys think?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3434632

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

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Pass.

 

[Bricklayer]

I mentioned a few months ago in a thread about this possibility, that you really kind of owe it to yourself to at least make inquiries when a player of that caliber hits the market. No way we could do it without a sign and trade I would expect, but adding a star of that magnitude would be one of the few ways you play the "win now" card with any hope of it mattering, and while actually getting YOUNGER.

Yes the knee is a concern. As is the ego. And the lack of defense. And he might never pass Kevin the ball. But you would have THE, not one of the, but THE highest scoring backcourt in the league if you could get your hands on him. And he's only 26 -- exactly one year older than Kevin. You could pair that duo for a long tiime, call your backcourt set for the next 5-7 years, and spend all your resoources trying to fix the frontcourt mess.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

We don't have any cap space to make a FA push for him. We could offer the MLE, but only if we wanted to mortally insult him. That leaves the sign-and-trade, but our assets to return are Martin and maybe Hawes. Even if we could get it done it would be a bad move for us because we would have a net loss of young pieces in our rebuild effort. Either Arenas will stay with the Wizards, or he'll S&T to a team trying to win now. He won't be a King next year.

Yes the knee is a concern. As is the ego. And the lack of defense. And he might never pass Kevin the ball. But you would have THE, not one of the, but THE highest scoring backcourt in the league if you could get your hands on him. And he's only 26 -- exactly one year older than Kevin. You could pair that duo for a long tiime, call your backcourt set for the next 5-7 years, and spend all your resoources trying to fix the frontcourt mess.

How do you propose we could S&T for Arenas without sending Martin away in the deal?

Thing is, the Wizards are focused on the here and now and making playoff pushes. They of course aren't getting anywhere, but they are very much about the here and now, not the future. Most of their non-Arenas lineup is late 20s to early 30s. So from us, you'd have to see how they felt about Brad (would fit their system), John (same), and of course check to make sure they weren't in the Artest market.

Well I would obviously be down for a Brad+John (or Brad+Cisco or Ron+Mikki, etc.) deal if we were able to get the Wizards to sign on for an offer like that. But doesn't Arenas really hold the cards here? He has to sign the contract to make the trade work, so if he doesn't want to come to Sacramento, then he doesn't have to. And there is that little thing about the first-round promise that Petrie made to Arenas that he rescinded when Gerald Wallace fell farther than expected...

 

[Warhawk]

How do you propose we could S&T for Arenas without sending Martin away in the deal?

They really could use KT and SAR, couldn't they?

 

[Bricklayer]

We don't have any cap space to make a FA push for him. We could offer the MLE, but only if we wanted to mortally insult him. That leaves the sign-and-trade, but our assets to return are Martin and maybe Hawes. Even if we could get it done it would be a bad move for us because we would have a net loss of young pieces in our rebuild effort. Either Arenas will stay with the Wizards, or he'll S&T to a team trying to win now. He won't be a King next year.

Arenas is 26. He is younger than Cisco, Salmons, Ron, Brad, etc. This iws whyhe is of interest while an old guy like Sheed is just a contract. You can add Arenas WHILE getting young. Knda what we did when we acquired Webber from that same franchise. Not that I am comparing the two.

As for the S&T -- obviously that would have to be it. But Areans is an odd duck that way, and really by opting out how many teams can actually meet his price right now? I would think that with his personality he might be counting on either getting major bank from the Wizards, or jsut telling them look, I am going elsewhere, S&T me or else, and getting in a staredown contest with them. It might now cost what you might think -- in fact S&Ts are almost never equal trades. The tradinbg team always takes more or less what it can get. If Washington truly thinks that they are good enough to make the playoffs without Gilbert, and just need some shoring up in other areas, you might be able to send them some of our in their prime vets for a team which thinnks its competing in the here and now. Kevin would obviously not be a part of it.

 

[Bricklayer]

How do you propose we could S&T for Arenas without sending Martin away in the deal?

As I mentioned in my longer post (just made), S&T trades are almost never equal. The former team is always resigned to losing the guy and ends up just getting what it can. You never see a guy S&T'd for an equal guy. So I would consider Martin as so far off the table that they wouldn;t even bother asking for him. The question would be do we have enough else to tempt them.

Thing is, the Wizards are focused on the here and now and making playoff pushes. They of course aren't getting anywhere, but they are very much about the here and now, not the future. Most of their non-Arenas lineup is late 20s to early 30s. So from us, you'd have to see how they felt abiout Brad (would fit their system), John (same), and of course check to make sure they were't in the Artest market. Thing is that this is on e of those scenarios where keeping Ron actually makes sense -- Arenas/Kevin/Ron would easily be the most talented 1/2/3 in the league no matter how dysfunctional it might turn out to be.

 

[Emma]

What? There was a promise to Arenas and Geoff picked up a guy he didn't even work out (Wallace)?

Doesn't matter, Gilbert would not have had the chip on his shoulder and probably never would have played with Bobby and Hedo consuming that time off the bench.

 

[upinsmoke]

PASS

Sign beno until 2010 then make a move to sign Wade or if someone upstairs (and im not talking about GP) likes us maybe Lebron.

 

[gunks]

Arenas is a chucker.

The only positive I can see with him on the Kings is that he'll shoot us into a higher draft pick if we got him.

 

[bajaden]

I'm not a big fan of Arenas, but if we were to aquire him, we better hang on Artest so we'll have someone that plays defense. A lot of the reports have Petrie and the Maloff's pressing for a return to the passing game we used to play. I'm not sure how Arenas fits into that senario.

 

[venom_7]

I love Gil. He's better than Kirk Hinrich, so if we could trade Brad + Douby for Arenas (New contract would be at 14 mil) that would be decent. Then you draft big men and hope for the best.

 

[bench_blob]

Gilbert Arenas is a great ball player, I didn't realize he was so young. He would bring a brand new enthusiasm and energy level to our boring roster.

The Wizards would want Martin, though, so that's probably where the conversation would start and end.

I'd offer Cisco, a re-signed Beno, and Sheldon Williams, and hope the Wiz bite. Although it doesn't seem like much, with Beno and Cisco, they'd be getting decent value.

Of course the trade does not address our primary weaknesses (defense and rebounding), and we end up stifling ourselves cap-wise, but we'd score a lot of points.

 

[pkballr]

Contract wise, I don't think that'd work out either. We may have to subtract Williams and throw in Miller since the Wiz are in win now mode.

 

[SacKings7]

Gilbert Arenas is a great ball player, I didn't realize he was so young. He would bring a brand new enthusiasm and energy level to our boring roster.

The Wizards would want Martin, though, so that's probably where the conversation would start and end.

I'd offer Cisco, a re-signed Beno, and Sheldon Williams, and hope the Wiz bite. Although it doesn't seem like much, with Beno and Cisco, they'd be getting decent value.

Of course the trade does not address our primary weaknesses (defense and rebounding), and we end up stifling ourselves cap-wise, but we'd score a lot of points.

While it doesn't address our primary weaknesses, it gives us a superstar caliber player, and you never turn down an opportunity to acquire a superstar.

 

[SacKings7]

Contract wise, I don't think that'd work out either. We may have to subtract Williams and throw in Miller since the Wiz are in win now mode.

I'm not sure how long they'd be in win-now mode if they trade Arenas AND potentially lose Jamison

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not sure how long they'd be in win-now mode if they trade Arenas AND potentially lose Jamison

Their plan would obviously not be to lose Jamison. So they want the Jamison/Butler cor. Maybe Haywood and Daniels and Stevensen. And then take back let's say Brad and John, let alone scoring a guy like Ron, and they may (foolishly) think they have enough to make noise. At the least they have enough to make the playoffs again in the East.

 

[SacKings7]

Their plan would obviously not be to lose Jamison. So they want the Jamison/Butler cor. Maybe Haywood and Daniels and Stevensen. And then take back let's say Brad and John, let alone scoring a guy like Ron, and they may (foolishly) think they have enough to make noise. At the least they have enough to make the playoffs again in the East.

I know, but Jamison is a free agent so hypothetically its possible they lose him as well, though unlikely

 

[JerN820]

While it doesn't address our primary weaknesses, it gives us a superstar caliber player, and you never turn down an opportunity to acquire a superstar.

My thoughts exactly. Not to mention he's only 26 years old too. Like someone else said, we'd be bringing in a proven player, while continuing the youth movement. Sign and trade is obviously the only way we could get him. But if we were able to acquire him and keep K Mart in place, then we could focus on drafting a big man in the draft.

 

[AriesMar27]

id be down for including martin if we were able to pick up a good replacement.... maybe jr smith or gerald green... it would also depend on what we do with artest... we could swing a 3 team trade with the lakers....

kings trade
artest*poss s&t if necc
martin
williams
salmons
miller

kings receive
arenas
jamison

wiz trade
arenas
jamison

wiz receive
odom
salmons
martin
williams
miller
filler *lakers

lakers trade
odom


lakers receive
artest


kings new lineup....
arenas
green
garcia/batum/danilo
jamison
hawes

lets get them both, granted the wiz wont do that and trade both... we could exclude him and add a different team to obtain a pf and take odom for artest.

 

[Spike]

What is this obsession people have with Gerald Green?

 

[SacKings7]

I don't think I want Arenas AND Jamison. 2 of them will probably want long term contracts, and they really haven't won anything playing with each other in Washington (and Golden State, Arenas came off the bench)

 

[AriesMar27]

What is this obsession people have with Gerald Green?

he is freakishly athletic, really young and relatively inexpensive... and you cant really argue that garcia is that much better if at all... and we all love him... that and we just dont have any freak athletes on this team at any position.

 

[SacKings7]

he is freakishly athletic, really young and relatively inexpensive... and you cant really argue that garcia is that much better if at all... and we all love him... that and we just dont have any freak athletes on this team at any position.

I'd be ok with getting Gerald Green but if you think he's gonna "replace" Martin, then good luck with that. He'd be a good spot rotation player, that's about it.

 

[AriesMar27]

I'd be ok with getting Gerald Green but if you think he's gonna "replace" Martin, then good luck with that. He'd be a good spot rotation player, that's about it.

well yeah, he cant play like martin... i meant someone who can play his position.... money wise you could add ariza to the deal as the filler instead... just as athletic and a better defender...

 

[mac]

I think that trade kinda robs us of any bench whatsoever. Since our guys have been together for a while I'm not for trading that many of them together, I think it would disrupt team chemistry. Or whatever little team chemistry we have

 

[AriesMar27]

we can sign or draft players to come off the bench... our bench isnt that good anyways... douby, garcia, kt, moore and reef would still be here... and if you just traded for arenas we would still have williams, salmons and whoever wasnt traded for arenas...

 

[SacKings7]

well yeah, he cant play like martin... i meant someone who can play his position.... money wise you could add ariza to the deal as the filler instead... just as athletic and a better defender...

Much better option. I actually wanted us to sign him when he was a free agent (and I believe we were rumored to).

 

[KevinSalvadori]

I think any talk of Arenas has to involve bigger pieces moving from elsewhere, and in that vein, I'd look at another team with a chip on their shoulder and a need to move pieces: Denver. Mind you, I have no idea how this would work, I just think those three teams (SAC, DEN, and WAS) have a lot of fitting pieces and contracts to make a deal work. And the collective interest.

I still think he's staying in WAS, but he's from California and might long to come back. And we could afford him (I think) if he started around 9m-11m this next season then rocketed up after next year.

 

[Bricklayer]

A deal for Areans only makes sense if Martin stays -- the whole point is to create the ultimate potent backcourt, not just trade one guy for the other.

Outside of that you take Spenser off the table and say take what you want. Be nice to retain Cisco as a 6th man, but sometimes you have to give to get.

Also remains one of the few kinds of situations where bringing Ron back makes sense (i.e have 70 pts from your PG/SG/SF, have Spenser for frontcourt offense, and jsut try to foll all the other slots wiht bangers and hustlers). Although that would be far from absolutely necessary, and would create a major risk of us scoring a lot of points, but having the worst shot selection in basketball.