I don't think Young is one of those guys who would do good on a low volume. I would be highly upset if any team that drafted him gave him less than 30mpg. If you want to see Oklahoma Young, then you need to give him the same type of environment. If you lower his usage and force him to play within a system that doesn't suit his strengths, he's not going to be the same player. In fact, he'll probably struggle. What makes him a top 10 prospect is the entire package. It's not just his playmaking or just his shooting. It's everything combined that makes him a special prospect worth a top pick.
Fox is one of the quickest players in the NBA, but Joerger has no problem putting him in the league's 3rd slowest offense.
No safe bet that he would find ways to implement Young in PnRs. I mean.. he's had WCS(our best roll man) play in a Boris Diaw role.
Still time left in the season, but it will be interesting to see how much room/patience Joerger is willing to give the young guys.
We can’t draft Toung over anyone of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bagley. Unless we plan on starting Fox-Young backcourt probably could work with Sg being small now a Days
Whether we would draft Young or not depends on how good you think he'll become. If you knew that he would turn out as good at Curry, would you still pass on him just because you already have Fox? I think not! Of course that's the thing, isn't it? We don't know for sure. Here's the question. If your the Kings, do you play it safe, and take someone that doesn't maybe have as high a ceiling, but has a very high floor, or do you swing for the fences and go for a possible superstar, who also has a high chance of bust?
Speaking of Young, he just keeps rolling. Yesterday in a game that came down to the wire with Oklahoma winning 90 to 89 he played 38 of 40 minutes and scored 39 pt's on 9 or 23 shooting, a sub par day for him considering he's averaging in the 48% range, and 6 for 14 from the three, which is 42% and near his average. He also added 14 assists, 2 steals and 4 boards. There has been a few games, where it's obvious to me that he has tired legs toward the end of games. Added strength will help, but a little more rest during the games will help as well. Still, it's hard to argue with his results.
Mikal Bridges had another of his typical games for Villanova in a losing effort to Butler. Will Nova hang on to the number one spot? I have no idea. Bridges also played 38 out of 40 minutes and scored 21 pt's on 9 of 15 overall, and 3 of 7 from the three. He's seemingly all over the court at times defensively guarding everyone from the other teams PG to their PF. He only had 2 boards, which is below his season average, 3 steals, 3 assists, and 1 blocked shot. As with Young, added strength will help Bridges going forward, but he's much stronger than he looks. I've seen him hold his ground in the post against bigger and heavier players. He has good length at 6'7" with a 7'2" wingspan. He's also a very good athlete.
Also cought the Arizona/Arizona St. game. Arizona St. has been on a run, so I was interested to see how this game played out. Arizona St. came into this game undefeated on the season at 12 and 0 and ranked number 3 in the country, while Arizona and DeAndre Ayton came in with three losses and was ranked number 17 in the nation. Arizona St. left with their first loss, losing 84 to 78. Ayton had a very good game, playing 35 of the 40 minutes and scoring 23 pt's on 9 of 14 shooting. He didn't attempt a three point shot. He added 19 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, and 3 blocks. Well done there!
As mentioned in a previous post, Marvin Bagley went off for 32 pts on 13 of 17 shooting and 1 for 2 from the three. Personally, I'd like to see him take a few more three's. His form doesn't look bad on the shots he does take. I suspect that the system is limiting him to some extent. He also pulled down 21 rebounds. The dude is a pogo stick out there, and many times is simply quicker to the ball than anyone else. You put another 15 to 20 pounds of muscle on him, and you'll have a rebounding monster. He also has nice footwork in the post with a soft touch around the basket. He makes quick decisions with the ball. Only 1 assist in this game, but he has shown himself to be a decent to good passer.
Ya his form looks really good I think he’ll be able to shoot in time since he seems like a bright kind and hard worker. But yes this dude can rebound the basketball man and we’d be a very quick team with Bagley, WCS, and Fox.
We all have our favorite player that we want out of this draft, but the reality of it is, most of the time, we don't get that player. So, the more players in the draft that you might feel happy walking away with, the better. I have my first, second, third, etc. players of which any would make me happy. And, I have what I consider my fall back player that I think will be there regardless of where we end up picking, unless we suddenly go on a ridiculous run and end up picking somewhere between 10 and 14. That player is Mikal Bridges, who I love, and I don't think he'll go any higher than 7 or 8 in the first round. I suspect we'll be picking somewhere between 1 and 8. I could be wrong of course.
Point is, I would be happy with any of, Doncic, Ayton, Bagley, Porter, and Young as my top five, and then still happy, but not as much with Jaren Jackson, Miles Bridges, Mikal Bridges, and Wendal Carter. Even after that, there are good players there, and trust me, one of them will end up being a star. Someone like Collin Sexton, Mohamed Bomba, Robert Williams or Kevin Knox. They all have star potential. A player to keep your eye on, that might rise once at the combine and the workouts start is Mitchell Robinson. He was a stud in highschool and it's a shame he opted out of college. But he has star potential.
Stole this on Bagley from realgm
67.7% on 2 pointers right now. Overall 63/36/61 shooting splits. Averaging 21.9/11.6/1.6 a night. 65.3 TS%, 27.4/14.6/2.1 per 40, 14.4 ORB%. Now Andre Drummond who is 2nd all time in ORB%, 1st in TRB%, and 2nd in rebounds per game post merger had a 14.2 ORB% at UCONN. Am I saying Bagley reminds me of him on the boards? Not really but he is just as good as him even though he's weaker because of his second jump.
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You make a great point his measurements scare me. He does show that he can create for other and score at an elite level also read that his floater is elite shooting something like 65% I believe. I still wouldn’t take him over Doncic no matter what but if Giles shows out good in Dleague and at the end of the season I’d easily take him over Ayton and Bagley.
Also if we took Young we’d have to start Bogdan next to him and desperately find a 3D SF. Bogdan would be able to share pg duties with Young
You make a great point his measurements scare me. He does show that he can create for other and score at an elite level also read that his floater is elite shooting something like 65% I believe. I still wouldn’t take him over Doncic no matter what but if Giles shows out good in Dleague and at the end of the season I’d easily take him over Ayton and Bagley.
Also if we took Young we’d have to start Bogdan next to him and desperately find a 3D SF. Bogdan would be able to share pg duties with Young
If we draft T Young ithink we should trade Fox for a Small forward prospect. Maybe for Miles bridges or a guy like Jackson(phx) or Isaac.
Would have to think Vivek with his well known love of the Warriors will be doing cartwheels to get TYoung
I honestly believe that if Young were available when the Kings were slotted to pick, he wouldn't get drafted by this team because the Kings loved Fox so much last offseason and they wouldn't give up on him so quickly. They really liked Dunn few years ago too and he is turning out to be a nice prospect moving forward.
Tbis wouldn't be a case of "giving up" on him. He still a great prospect. TYoung just seems a much likelier superstar. Would make no since having them both. In that case should move fox for a SF prospect
You dont think Hield would be a good fit next to Young? Defensively can see the issue but what about offensively? Young setting up Hield for open looks seems ideal
Defensively we can’t have two terrible defenders like that. We’d have to start Bogdan at SG and somehow find a SF
First, if we were to draft Young, and that's a big if, because I think he's going to go higher than people think. He's a very unique player that doesn't come down the slot very often. I went back and watched the Oklahoma/USC game, which was a game early in the schedule, and then immediately after watched the Oklahoma Wichita St. game, and the difference in Young's play just leaped out at you. Which tells me his confidence, and abilities to run a team have improved dramatically since the beginning of the season. Even when his shot is off, he's a difference maker. When a team throws something new defensively at him, and gets him to struggle for part of, oe half of a game, he figures out how of overcome it. He's a very very smart player whose loaded with a full tool box. I don't see how he can fail at the next level. I could be wrong, but I'd put some significant money on this kid.
That said, if we were to draft Young, I don't think that means we have to give up on, or trade Fox. If anything, drafting Young would probably affect Mason's future more than Fox's. Once Fox fixes his 3 pt shot, there would be no reason you couldn't play Fox and Young together at times. It wouldn't be much different than playing Lillard and McCollum together. If you think Young is the best player on the board, you draft him and figure the rest out later. Fox loves to push the ball, and if you've seen Young play, he loves to push the ball. I don't think I've ever seen a player make as many floaters while going to the basket with a full head of steam the way Young does. What makes him so much fun to watch, is that you don't know what he's going to do. Which is why his bigs are always wide open under the basket. Everyone is always watching and reacting to what Young is doing.
By the way, he plays again tomorrow at 4:15 pm on ESPN2. Going up against a good West Virginia team. While were at it, Duke takes on North Carolina on ESPN at 5 pm. Marquette takes on Villanova on Fox Sports 1 at 5 pm. and Kentucky takes on Tennessee on the SEC channel at 6 pm.
What are your thoughts on Nick Ward (the forgotten big man on Mich St.?) He seems like a throw back player (everything is around the basket), but has great touch and plays smart on both ends. He has a wide body and knows how to use it. He just seems like one of those players a team like the Spurs would pick up in the 2nd round who turns into a solid rotational player.
I don’t think it’s giving up on Fox either I’d rather go with a bigger SG and regular size SF so we went too small. Plus Fox-Hield off the bench would be instant offense
Marvin Bagley is the truth he just needs a respectable shot and he’s a 20-10 guy. You can’t teach his quickness at his size and his hook lefty is money.
And damn I forgot where the link was but scouts are saying how Coach K was saying Bagley has the mentality as the guys he coached at Team USA