Mojo
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The part of this I don't understand then is why is the Pelicans going along with it? All they are doing is giving him his payday for another team and hindering their own salary cap situation to allow this to play out.
Evans makes verbal commitment to Pelicans
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The part of this I don't understand then is why is the Pelicans going along with it? All they are doing is giving him his payday for another team and hindering their own salary cap situation to allow this to play out.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This is my biggest concern too. They must be under the impression they have a shot. UNLESS they are really Machiavellian and this is all a big charade to pin us down while they pursue SF targets unopposed.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
He makes little sense on their roster on top of it, unless there's a deal for Gordon lined up no one knows about.
That's a lot of money for Reke. Curry gets less and is a far more accomplished player. Jrue gets less and is more accomplished. His agent did well for him. He saw NO was willing to overpay and tried to get Sac to overpay more. It was just a week ago this forum was talking about Reke at 8-9 million per being a fair price.
whozit
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If I recall correctly, some were talking about those numbers. Most seemed to be talking in the range he is getting or more.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Notable neither Jrue nor Curry was more accomplished when they signed their deals either.
All comes down to opportunity, not talent.
Yeah, $10-12M per year was his range and this is right in the middle. 4 years and $44 million isn't more than Stephen Curry got, it's exactly what Stephen Curry got and that was what I was hoping before. I would have paid more than that if we had to, but I'm happy with this contract (provided we match it).
Ok, you got your attention by throwing another "fact".
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php/52980-The-Tyreke-Evans-contract-match-poll
Wrong on forum, wrong on Reke, vote Swisshh 2013
Section 101
All-Star
And they were all in the same draft.
Jkbiker
Starter
Ok I hope Pelicans don't see that quote and do the same as Vivek and pull the verbal offer 2 Hours Later LOL
But Seriously, Pelicans have to think and hope that:
A: Vivek really does not want to keep Reke at 11Mil per year and will go ahead and try and negociate a sign and Trade
before the 10th to get 1-2 players so we will get some value for reke
B: Vivek will let Reke go to use the 11 Million to sign a different player(s)
Option A: Lopez and Vasquez (Gosh I hope not) Unless its Anthony Davis or Ryan Anderson (Pelicans wont do), I just dont see it for us
Option B: We didnt have any luck with Iggy, We are not in talks with any other big FA - not sure I see it either
So what is the Pelicans' strategy?
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I like this. The Evans number is now nailed down. The Kings have plenty of time to assess the alternatives. It may be Kirilenko is in the equation; it may be others. But now they have an exact figure to work with and they can go out and talk to everybody they are interested in before making a decision. There are no moving parts now with respect to Tyreke. NO, on the hand, is going over the market for a 2/3 bench player, and they must dump Lopez under duress to fulfill the Tyreke offer. I think NO is dumb for doing this. No other team is interested in Tyreke at this price, and for good reason. We'll see how it turns out.
roasthawg
Starter
NO putting that crap out there trying to give us a reason not to match... this is a done deal, there is NO way we don't match guys. I mean we offered Iggy MORE than this... a lot more. Reke is almost the same player as Iggy and A LOT younger. This is a good deal for Sac!!!
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Alright, hows this for a little conspiracy theory.
Who is 'leaking' the info that Evans wants to be in New Orleans (the Stien report on ESPN)? A countless number of Evans' friends have come out and said he wants to stay in Sacramento, so where are these opposing reports coming from?
Who has anything to gain from leaking it? The Pelicans have nothing to gain in my opinion, particularly when Evans is saying the complete opposite. And it's not like the Kings FO doesn't have Evans number. It would be so easy to shoot that idea down internally. That's one way to pee a guy you want to sign off anyway, make him look like the bad guy to his old city. Evans has nothing to gain, and he has said just the opposite all along. He wants to stay.
My theory - If, IF the Kings let Evans walk, they can play the 'he didn't want to be here' card. Or they could have, until Evans and his buddies squashed it. I mean, the Kings are the only party that could gain PR by getting that info out there. They could do the whole 'he wasn't committed' thing. Perfect excuse for getting a sub par package of players in return.
Who is 'leaking' the info that Evans wants to be in New Orleans (the Stien report on ESPN)? A countless number of Evans' friends have come out and said he wants to stay in Sacramento, so where are these opposing reports coming from?
Who has anything to gain from leaking it? The Pelicans have nothing to gain in my opinion, particularly when Evans is saying the complete opposite. And it's not like the Kings FO doesn't have Evans number. It would be so easy to shoot that idea down internally. That's one way to pee a guy you want to sign off anyway, make him look like the bad guy to his old city. Evans has nothing to gain, and he has said just the opposite all along. He wants to stay.
My theory - If, IF the Kings let Evans walk, they can play the 'he didn't want to be here' card. Or they could have, until Evans and his buddies squashed it. I mean, the Kings are the only party that could gain PR by getting that info out there. They could do the whole 'he wasn't committed' thing. Perfect excuse for getting a sub par package of players in return.
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roasthawg
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Incorrrect, the Pelicans already have Reke locked into a verbal. That means squat if the Kings match however... hence the "leak" giving the Kings a reason NOT to match.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Right, and time and time again we've read that the Kings FO thinks that number for Evans is too high. Instead of looking cheap they can say he doesn't want to be here.
Like you said, Pelicans have a verbal agreement, so why pee of Evans at this point? why make him look bad to his old city and fans? It seems too risky for them when the Kings could just pick up the phone and ask him and it would be squashed.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
In 1971 I bought a near new Triumph Spitfire for $800 10 year ago I bought a project car for about 2K. It's all about market forces.
roasthawg
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FO wouldn't want to put that out there... that a player wants out of Sac. Far more damage than good could come outta something like that. Just the Pelicans trying to put a little more doubt in the Kings minds... give them something to chew on if they're undecided.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Disagree. Think MassKingsFan is right here about the leaks. I don't think it's NO trying to add more doubt to our side. In doing so they'd be lying about the player they want to bring in. It's a verbal commitment, Reke hasn't signed anything, so why would you send out leaks which go directly against the feelings of the guy you just got a verbal commitment from? That runs the risk of Reke backing out of the agreement.
Makes more sense to me it's someone on our end not wanting to pay and attempting to fabricate an excuse, and that would coincide with CD's and Jason Jones' tweets about a) Vivek/PDA valuing Reke at 8-9M and being surprised about the contract NO offered and b) even though Reke wants to stay here CD sees him playing elsewhere next year, which is something CD said again today. He wants to stay but doesn't think Kings will sign him.
The leaks actually seem to be connected to CD and Jones. Same guy leaking to them might have leaked the info today about Reke not wanting to be here and feeling insulted by the lack of an offer. And I'm not implying they're working together or anything like that, just that it seems more likely there's someone in our FO leaking information as the leak today, CD's tweets and JJ's tweets have a similar tone.
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Few VERY important details to consider with this.
1. We now have Reke at a set price. No mystery team coming out of nowhere to max him.
2. Verbal commit is different than signing on the dotted line. We have the ability to strong-arm NO into working a S&T "If you don't give us Player X, and Player Z, we'll match" type of deal.
3. Time to see what this new FO is made of. We can essentially screw NO over the next week by sitting on this deal and waiting the 3 full days to match the offer. (if we do intend to match)
1. We now have Reke at a set price. No mystery team coming out of nowhere to max him.
2. Verbal commit is different than signing on the dotted line. We have the ability to strong-arm NO into working a S&T "If you don't give us Player X, and Player Z, we'll match" type of deal.
3. Time to see what this new FO is made of. We can essentially screw NO over the next week by sitting on this deal and waiting the 3 full days to match the offer. (if we do intend to match)
Löwenherz
Starter
Regarding the conspiracy theory, the leaks would be coming from Reke's agent, trying to get the Kings to panic and "outbid" the Pelicans when all they have to do is match. Agents are always the big winners in bidding wars, especially if they conned a team into one over a restricted free agent. Your question of "who benefits" is right, but your conclusion is frankly Maloofian.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
When a poll was set up on KF.com, most people thought $12 mil was reasonable. What you stated is not accurate about it being $8-9 mil. It all makes little difference as we have to decide if we want Reke at $11 mil or not. I certainly think we have to sign him for many reasons that have been discussed over the last several weeks. This may sound snarky but I don't understand your reason for bringing up old news. To me, there is little reason to go over all this again. To each his own.
Where have we read that time and time again, other than from Jason Jones? I don't buy into the idea that Vivek would pull a trick out of the old Maloof bag and intentionally put out misinformation about how Evans feels about Sacramento. Vivek is a technogeek. He understands social media way better than probably a lot of us.
Jkbiker
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http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/2013/07/03/what-happens-now/
I thought this was an interesting article from the Pelican Point of view
I thought this was an interesting article from the Pelican Point of view
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Very good article. So the Pelicans need to shed $6 mil before July 10. Perhaps they know how but it seems difficult to me. What if they can't free up the cap space for Tyreke? Then what happens to the deal? Perhaps if they can only shed $4 mil it drops the offer sheet by $2 mil. This is where the real capologists need to jump in.
It blows me away that after all the fretting about how we fit Tyreke and Iggy under the cap, Tyreke signs an offer sheet with a team that needs to get under the salary cap by July 10. Seems to me that if the Pelicans can't do it, there must be some punishment from the league. Please folks, don't tell me Arn Tellem wasn't aware of this situation. Why have they been dicking around all this time when they couldn't make the deal? I will be super pissed if this hurts us.
Seems like their offer sheet should be null and void and then what? Do we negotiate with Tyreke? How? Perhaps our FO thinks the Pelicans can't make good on the offer sheet and that's why the silence. It sure explains why Tellem wanted the Kings to make an offer. It gets him off the hook.
