Tyreke Wants NO?

[Glenn]

He's going to have to survive this process just as the teams and fans are. Did he think it is simple playing with other people's millions? I hope this isn't really him expressing his opinions as it is disappointing. I can't believe he wants to go to a team and be the sixth man or SF. He could live in his new home and stay with the Kings if he wants to be misused like that. j/k

 

[spudfan]

Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones 4m
FTR, Tyreke Evans is put off by lack of an offer, not being top priority, but not to the point he wouldn't play for the Kings.

Seems the issue is more a lack of an offer. Everyone knows we can match the NO deal, but if Vivek/PDA want him why not just offer the equivalent? Probably looking for the symbolic gesture.

When I read his tweets they come across as a guy who is trying to comment after reading someone's else's tweets and slightly changing them to be his own. He never gives me the feeling that he has a source he can dial up and get a quick response from. Being able to verify something this quick and respond seems above his pay grade and ability.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Its not just that Jones is an idiot. Its that he's a persistent idiot who apparently does not learn.

Yo Jason! Its called restricted free agency -- the Kings don't HAVE to make a better offer. In fact why would they when they can match?

I can at least see one instance where the Kings might be inclined to make a better offer. We've been told that the Pelicans offer has been structured so as to make it as painful as possible, capwise, for the Kings to match. Let's say the offer is 4/$48M. The Kings might actually find greater value in a 4/$49 deal that the Kings are able to structure so as to make it as friendly as possible to our cap desires, and might prefer such a contract to matching the Pelicans' deal. Maybe.

Now, I don't know if one can give Jones the benefit of the doubt for thinking that through, but at least it's a possibility.

 

[Bricklayer]

I've said before that our new front office may just have to get used to the limitations of the Sacto market. They come in talking "gotta make a splash" and think they are going to walk out and do it in free agency. But that's not the way it works. Free agency is just a system designed by player agents to transfer talent from small market teams to glamour teams. Its a game rigged against the Kings. So yes, go ahead and take a brief shot if you must. but in the end, get your nose back to the grindstone and work the market. That means you quickly retain the talent you have, and then try to do your work via trades. You want to make a splash, pull off a Webber trade. Because you're not going to sign him in free agency if you're Sacramento.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Sportscenter now reporting that he is signing the Offer sheet from New Orleans. 4 yrs/44m

 

[Bricklayer]

I can at least see one instance where the Kings might be inclined to make a better offer. We've been told that the Pelicans offer has been structured so as to make it as painful as possible, capwise, for the Kings to match. Let's say the offer is 4/$48M. The Kings might actually find greater value in a 4/$49 deal that the Kings are able to structure so as to make it as friendly as possible to our cap desires, and might prefer such a contract to matching the Pelicans' deal. Maybe.

Now, I don't know if one can give Jones the benefit of the doubt for thinking that through, but at least it's a possibility.

Possible, but you are giving Jones more credit for not just writing his story while sitting on the can this morning than I am.

 

[Uncia03]

I don't blame you for questioning me, I don't get free passes cause I'm a kings grassrooter. Hell, I know as well as anyone I could be wrong. But the insinuation is that I am reporting my opinion, and interjecting my agenda, whatever that is. By passive-aggressively attacking my track record, you attack my credibility and ethics. I pass on what I hear from trusted sources, and I don't get paid. I'm not running a blog, or trying to get Sulia hits. And I think my track record is pretty good. I've been wrong before, and I WILL be wrong again.

I just bruise a little when I report something someone may not like, and I instantly hate that player, or know nothing about basketball. And I have, nor will I ever, be some media guy in an ivory tower who claims he doesn't read the chat boards yet constantly refreshes them. I started on the chat boards. I read everything. And sometimes it bugs me.

That's all.

If you've been keeping abreast of this board the last few years you have to know how bleak it's been the last few years.

I don't think any Kingsfan can thank you (as well as all the others) enough for the work and passion that was put into saying the Kings.

Many feel that we've suffered enough and that we actually have the two cornerstones on this team already...and it's now a matter of bringing in a quality coach, spending some money, and surrounding them with the players that will maximize their game.

Unfortunately both Tyreke and Cousins have a lot of question marks...and for this reason there is always a heated debate about the legitimacy of either of these players being able to be leaders on a team competing at the highest levels.

As one of those people who have no problems in running with Tyreke and Cousins...it would be a devastating blow to see this opportunity pass us by with-out exploring how it would work under Coach Malone with a new Franchise culture and a wonderful player in B-Mac who really compliment's Tyreke's game.

I guess we'll find out soon enough...but it will be nice when the drama is over.

 

[rainmaker]

I don't blame you for questioning me, I don't get free passes cause I'm a kings grassrooter. Hell, I know as well as anyone I could be wrong. But the insinuation is that I am reporting my opinion, and interjecting my agenda, whatever that is. By passive-aggressively attacking my track record, you attack my credibility and ethics. I pass on what I hear from trusted sources, and I don't get paid. I'm not running a blog, or trying to get Sulia hits. And I think my track record is pretty good. I've been wrong before, and I WILL be wrong again.

I just bruise a little when I report something someone may not like, and I instantly hate that player, or know nothing about basketball. And I have, nor will I ever, be some media guy in an ivory tower who claims he doesn't read the chat boards yet constantly refreshes them. I started on the chat boards. I read everything. And sometimes it bugs me.

That's all.

Fair enough, and I appreciate you coming on here and giving your side. I'll make an effort to be more respectful but hope you understand we see a lot of conflicting information from media outlets(you and Jason Jones for example put out information which differentiates at times) so we're just trying to decipher what's true, what isn't.

 

[Jose]

I do wonder though if Reke felt insulted that Vivek/PDA went all out trying to get Iggy yesterday, gave him an offer, when they still haven't made any offers to him. Yes they had the meeting which Reke left feeling good about, but the next day Vivek/PDA showed what their priority was and it sure wasn't Reke.

I would hope this was explained to him: the Kings can go all out to get verbal agreements from any free agent now, but NOTHING is official until signed on/after the 10th. If the Iggy deal had gone thru, then the Kings can go into high gear to make the necessary arrangements to clear cap (amnesty Salmons, dump some contracts) so that they can pay Iggy and retain the Reke cap hold. Then once Iggy signs, the Kings can match and retain Evans, even if that pushes them over the cap.

So it's in the Kings' best interests to wait for Reke to sign elsewhere but in the meantime be very aggressive in pursuing other FAs. Reke is the safest thing for the Kings right now. The number is out there, all they have to do is retain the cap hold so they can go over cap and match. If they sign him before another FA, then there goes the cap and any hope of getting another FA.

With that approach, it also makes sense that if Iggy is non-commital, the Kings will pull the offer and move on to the next FA. We can't wait until the 10th - once Reke signs, we have 3 days to match and we're capped with no hope of getting another FA.

 

[Bricklayer]

Sportscenter now reporting that he is signing the Offer sheet from New Orleans. 4 yrs/44m

Okay, if that's true than here we go.

Most troubling part of it would be that New Orleans would continue to feel confident enough to tie up their capspace with that offer.

 

[Hoovtrain]

I don't blame you for questioning me, I don't get free passes cause I'm a kings grassrooter. Hell, I know as well as anyone I could be wrong. But the insinuation is that I am reporting my opinion, and interjecting my agenda, whatever that is. By passive-aggressively attacking my track record, you attack my credibility and ethics. I pass on what I hear from trusted sources, and I don't get paid. I'm not running a blog, or trying to get Sulia hits. And I think my track record is pretty good. I've been wrong before, and I WILL be wrong again.

I just bruise a little when I report something someone may not like, and I instantly hate that player, or know nothing about basketball. And I have, nor will I ever, be some media guy in an ivory tower who claims he doesn't read the chat boards yet constantly refreshes them. I started on the chat boards. I read everything. And sometimes it bugs me.

That's all.

June 23, 2011 at Bislas you swore to me on your children that John Salmons would not be on the roster opening night. You broke my heart Dave.
On a side note thanks for all hard work with the team, much appreciated.

 

[Uncia03]

If he is signing the NO deal then we'll know pretty soon what the Kings FO have in mind.

 

[Glenn]

Sportscenter now reporting that he is signing the Offer sheet from New Orleans. 4 yrs/44m

He can't sign anything until July 10. If he is verbally agreeing, then it's about time. **** or get off the pot. Now we make an offer that appeals to him and call it a day. If any of this discontent by Tyreke is truth, we should just make an offer he can't refuse and call it a day. We have already improved our team with a draft pick and there is plenty of time to shuffle players around via trade. If we honestly think we are going to get a team changing FA, perhaps we should think about that a little more carefully. We didn't get the ideal FA so let's not pee of OUR RFA? Man, I hope they are reading this.

WE CANNOT LOSE TYREKE! or all this "we're going to change the culture," we're going to be aggressive" and whatever else we have been promised is just so many words. As much as I think Tyreke should grow up, I'm on his side.

Agreeing to the Pelicans offer sheet now shuts off any other offers. The amount of money has been set and cannot change unless he withdraws his agreement to NO.

 

[jaysoonii]

I would hope this was explained to him: the Kings can go all out to get verbal agreements from any free agent now, but NOTHING is official until signed on/after the 10th. If the Iggy deal had gone thru, then the Kings can go into high gear to make the necessary arrangements to clear cap (amnesty Salmons, dump some contracts) so that they can pay Iggy and retain the Reke cap hold. Then once Iggy signs, the Kings can match and retain Evans, even if that pushes them over the cap.

So it's in the Kings' best interests to wait for Reke to sign elsewhere but in the meantime be very aggressive in pursuing other FAs. Reke is the safest thing for the Kings right now. The number is out there, all they have to do is retain the cap hold so they can go over cap and match. If they sign him before another FA, then there goes the cap and any hope of getting another FA.

With that approach, it also makes sense that if Iggy is non-commital, the Kings will pull the offer and move on to the next FA. We can't wait until the 10th - once Reke signs, we have 3 days to match and we're capped with no hope of getting another FA.

Pete is that you?

 

[rainmaker]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 6m
As I mentioned on air, safe to say Pelicans PG Greivis Vasquez - who has same agent as Tyreke Evans - is gettable in possible sign & trade.


If we go the sign and trade route for Vasquez I will highly question this FO if it's true Reke prefers staying here.

 

[sidney]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 6m
As I mentioned on air, safe to say Pelicans PG Greivis Vasquez - who has same agent as Tyreke Evans - is gettable in possible sign & trade.


If we go the sign and trade route for Vasquez I will highly question this FO if it's true Reke prefers staying here.

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 7m
Then again, Kings would likely open with,"So about Anthony Davis..."


Now THAT would be interesting. We'll match or you give us Davis

 

[Padrino]

I don't particularly believe this...yet. But it does underscore the potential danger of ****ing around with this too long. Ok yes yes the front office has training wheels on, and Pete D wanted to go chase a guy he already knew in Andre Igoudala. Willing to let that play out. Good player. But there is quite literally not a single other player we're realistically in play for on the free agent market as good for us as Tyreke. Hence no reason to **** around until something like this article says becomes a reality. Telling Reke to hang on a second while you go investigate something is one thing. Leaving him dangling in the wind while you run around desperately seeing what else you can get instead is insulting.

agreed. as far as i'm concerned, the kings are incredibly lucky that tyreke hasn't soured on this whole thing already, and that he still wants to play here, despite four years of being jerked around under the old regime, and despite a new regime that hasn't prioritized him in its free agency bidding. andre iguodala? sure. but you pulled out. so what's your plan now? jose calderon? grievus vasquez? please...



just suck it up and re-sign 'reke already. at worst, you trade him on a very movable 4/$44 million contract if he doesn't fit your long-term plans...

 

[HereWeBoogie]

after the Kings offered Iguodala over 52mil, i would be disgusted with the new FO if they do not spend 44m to keep a talent like Tyreke around

 

[Bricklayer]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 7m
Then again, Kings would likely open with,"So about Anthony Davis..."


Now THAT would be interesting. We'll match or you give us Davis

um...why would that be interesting? New Orleans laughs and goes away.

This is all just very stupid. I do not conflate saving the franchise with actually knowing how to run a basketball team, nor number crunching with knowing talent. RESIGN REKE. Just do it. Quit ****ing around. Then if in future you want to go another way, you can trade him, on your terms, not New Orleans'. Not his agent's.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

RESIGN REKE. Just do it. Quit ****ing around. Then if in future you want to go another way, you can trade him, on your terms, not New Orleans'. Not his agent's.

exactly! we cannot afford to let a talent like him walk away. and if it doesn't work out, GUESS WHAT????? there was over 10 teams interested in signing him, you can find someone that will want to trade for him

 

[sdballer]

I don't blame you for questioning me, I don't get free passes cause I'm a kings grassrooter. Hell, I know as well as anyone I could be wrong. But the insinuation is that I am reporting my opinion, and interjecting my agenda, whatever that is. By passive-aggressively attacking my track record, you attack my credibility and ethics. I pass on what I hear from trusted sources, and I don't get paid. I'm not running a blog, or trying to get Sulia hits. And I think my track record is pretty good. I've been wrong before, and I WILL be wrong again.

I just bruise a little when I report something someone may not like, and I instantly hate that player, or know nothing about basketball. And I have, nor will I ever, be some media guy in an ivory tower who claims he doesn't read the chat boards yet constantly refreshes them. I started on the chat boards. I read everything. And sometimes it bugs me.

That's all.

I think that's fair but at the same time you've mentioned kings fan biases are driving their opinion about Reke rumors when you've also made it clear you don't want the kings to re-sign him which could induce the same bias.

Not saying it has but that may be a reason people are questioning your sources.

Either way, thanks for what you've done

 

[Uncia03]

At the end of the day I'm just glad that Tyreke is a RFA...as this would be a lot more nerve-wracking if he was an UFA.
The only way he leaves is if we don't want him.
I'll be very upset if the FO chooses not to match the 11m/year deal...but at this point in time the FO has the power to keep him...and they should be smart and do so.

 

[sidney]

um...why would that be interesting? New Orleans laughs and goes away.

This is all just very stupid. I do not conflate saving the franchise with actually knowing how to run a basketball team, nor number crunching with knowing talent. RESIGN REKE. Just do it. Quit ****ing around. Then if in future you want to go another way, you can trade him, on your terms, not New Orleans'. Not his agent's.

Great... then they are walking away laughing without Tyreke and we match.

 

[SacTownKid]

exactly! we cannot afford to let a talent like him walk away. and if it doesn't work out, GUESS WHAT????? there was over 10 teams interested in signing him, you can find someone that will want to trade for him

Yeah, before the Pelicans offered him the contract you'd be matching. How about that trade value again?

How can a team even make an offer like this when they don't have the space to do it is a question I want to see answered. Doesn't seem very fair.

 

[The Hammer]

um...why would that be interesting? New Orleans laughs and goes away.

This is all just very stupid. I do not conflate saving the franchise with actually knowing how to run a basketball team, nor number crunching with knowing talent. RESIGN REKE. Just do it. Quit ****ing around. Then if in future you want to go another way, you can trade him, on your terms, not New Orleans'. Not his agent's.

+1

Not sure why this would be so hard to comprehend. I would be flabberghasted if we didn't resign him.

It's possible we have a little game of chicken going on between reke's agent and the Kings. Kings forcing him to sign the NO offer... rather than agree to slightly less for the Kings (who he supposedly would prefer to play for).

Take a bit less to play where you want? Or take a bit more to go to a new place and be a sixth man SF.

I get the feeling, that while PDA is funny and personable in press conferences and possibly personal meetings, that he is a NY style negotiator. All business. Stienbrenner-esque with a gratiating personality.

And I think it's less about PDA enforcing his will. I just think he HIGHLY values any capspace, and tries to squeeze absolute maximum value out of his payroll.

 

[Padrino]

um...why would that be interesting? New orleans laughs and goes away.

This is all just very stupid. I do not conflate saving the franchise with actually knowing how to run a basketball team, nor number crunching with knowing talent. Resign reke. Just do it. Quit ****ing around. Then if in future you want to go another way, you can trade him, on your terms, not new orleans'. Not his agent's.

da troof.

 

[rainmaker]

At the end of the day I'm just glad that Tyreke is a RFA...as this would be a lot more nerve-wracking if he was an UFA.
The only way he leaves is if we don't want him.
I'll be very upset if the FO chooses not to match the 11m/year deal...but at this point in time the FO has the power to keep him...and they should be smart and do so.

Our FO seems pretty unsure of what it is exactly they want to do. Of course we can match, but we've known the NO offer for three days now. If all Reke wants is 4/44 and he'll happily return, then why not just offer it unless there's a reason you're stalling? Longer we stall the more insulting Reke might take it, and matching comes across as our final option that we really didn't want to do but were forced to do if Vivek/PDA keep waiting.

And that seems to be what some of this is about from Reke's people. If you want me, where's the damn offer? If you want to pay me 11M per and value me at that price, where's the offer? But if you stall, feel backed into a corner and forced to match, it doesn't have the appearance of Vivek/PDA wanting him that badly. Not in comparison to 4/56 yesterday.

 

[Glenn]

It's about time we got out our pitchforks and torches. I bought them for the Maloofs but now they might help get the attention of our new FO.

 

[Section 101]

So going to through this out there for Brick and Rainmaker.

It's been reported that Cuz and Evans aren't peas and carrots. There could be a bigger rift between them than anyone knows. The Kings FO has talked to Cuz. Could it be Cuz's wishes that Evans doesn't return that's driving this? Then if so would you want to resign Evans at all costs if its going to reduce the chances at keeping Cuz?

 

[HereWeBoogie]

It's been reported that Cuz and Evans aren't peas and carrots.

the only person "reporting" that has been Grant Napear on his DMC Hate show