Bricklayer
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To Woj? No.
They said the Bee had it though, so maybe there. But just as likely Karl has been informed, and he leaked it to his pal Ailene, or his agent to Woj, or some such.
To Woj? No.
They said the Bee had it though, so maybe there. But just as likely Karl has been informed, and he leaked it to his pal Ailene, or his agent to Woj, or some such.
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Im Still Ballin
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You'd think Mark Jackson is too high profile for us. I honestly think he'd rather stay in his cushy ESPN job than coach here. Depending on what happens with Tyrone Lue, Jackson would probably be the next in line if that sword were to fall.
ockingsfan
Starter
Yes, you gave a very good explanation.
My point is that if you have the talent, you need to find a good coach that will make the best of that talent.
You don't trade the best talent to satisfy the coaches system, the coach needs to adapt to the players they have, if the player is a top 10 talent. Peripheral players, you can trade, but you don't trade superstar players in the NBA.
The great coaches, like Pop, adjusts their system to fit to his players strengths. Pop doesn't force one system on his players, like Karl did, Pop adapts his system to the players.
ockingsfan
Starter
Karl's downfall was his non-adaptability.
The only reason a coach comes to Sactown is because we have the NBA's most dominant force in the middle, in DMC. But, instead of embracing him and trying to build around DMC, Karl wanted to trade him for players that fit his uptempo system, like in Denver.
If Karl would have came in and embraced what he had in DMC, this may have been a whole different outcome, but he didn't. Karl was not willing to change his system and adapt.
And now, the Kings will need to find a new coach that will play to our players strengths.
The only reason a coach comes to Sactown is because we have the NBA's most dominant force in the middle, in DMC. But, instead of embracing him and trying to build around DMC, Karl wanted to trade him for players that fit his uptempo system, like in Denver.
If Karl would have came in and embraced what he had in DMC, this may have been a whole different outcome, but he didn't. Karl was not willing to change his system and adapt.
And now, the Kings will need to find a new coach that will play to our players strengths.
Chubbs
Starter
The question has always been whether the franchise can get Demarcus to stay in 2 seasons, not the other way around.
Jerichoholic
Bench
Not exactly true when it comes to Popovich. Perhaps at first he leaned in the direction of adapting more to his players, but at the same time he slowly implemented his system, little by little. He also had a very talented roster which made things easier. Over time the Spurs became more about the system than the players, which I think is a good thing, but that took time. Now the Spurs bring in players specifically suited to fit in that system and it's a win-win for everybody, it makes the team better and it makes the players look better.
I would say that the Warriors are getting to that point as well. They will never be able to keep all of their good players for salary cap reasons, but many of those players will be replaceable because of the system. Look at our great Kings teams years ago, we were able to bring in players that weren't even in the league anymore and they contributed because they happen to fit our system.
The problem the Kings have now is that they won't commit to one coach and one system and we have a hodgepodge of players who don't fit together or who fit a single system. This team has to choose, we set up a team around guys like Rondo, Gay, and Cousins and we play slow or we get rid of them all and play fast, you can't have it both ways. This offseason the choice must be made, if we keep Cousins we pick one style of coach, if we trade Cousins we pick another style of coach, but the two must be consistent.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Per Marc Stein:
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2h2 hours ago
The Kings, sources say, also have strong interest in Tom Thibodeau and Scotty Brooks but concede competition for those two will be fierce.
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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2h2 hours ago
NBA coaching sources say Kevin McHale, Mark Jackson and Vinny Del Negro are among the names Sacramento is considering for its coaching job.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2h2 hours ago
The Kings, sources say, also have strong interest in Tom Thibodeau and Scotty Brooks but concede competition for those two will be fierce.
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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2h2 hours ago
NBA coaching sources say Kevin McHale, Mark Jackson and Vinny Del Negro are among the names Sacramento is considering for its coaching job.
Padrino
All-Star
meh, i'm not sure this is accurate. popovich's "system" is hardly a static notion. it looked mighty different in the early 00's, for example, and it has always evolved to suit the necessity of adaptation in a league that has changed a lot in the eighteen or nineteen years since tim duncan was drafted. pop's approach has shifted as recently as this season in response to the growing prevalence of small ball around the league. the spurs certainly value their system--in whatever form it takes--and their team concept above individual achievement, but it's not exactly "plug and play" basketball. popovich definitely adjusts his strategy to suit his roster...
as for the warriors, i'd hazard to guess that their success has much less to do with a "system" and considerably more to do with a certain mvp. their "system" collapses as soon as stephen curry leaves the game. the opposition outscores the warriors by a lot when curry is sitting. as good as their supporting cast may be, they are a team that is elevated by an otherworldly talent, an all-time great. apart from curry (and draymond green, as well), you can pretty much swap everybody else in or out and it won't make much difference if curry is on the bench or injured. so in a sense, you're right to point out that much of their roster is replaceable, but i think that has less to do with a slavish devotion to a particular system and more to do with stephen curry's ability to elevate his teammates into an enviable stratosphere of excellence...
Iced Espresso
Starter
Vinny was just in town, so I'd of imagined there was a little bit of talk.
What I'm nervous about is Mark Jackson. The old "Lounge" meeting. Looks like Pete & Mullin influence though the way it was wrote.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...mark-jackson-sacramento-kings-coach/20522765/
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Love Thibs. Like Jackson. Meh on Brooks and Del Negro. I don't know what to think of McHale --- although he is an interesting name because you'd think he, of all people, would understand the value of a dominant post player and how to utilize it.
Padrino
All-Star
mark jackson and vinny del negro are names that scare me. jackson for his overbearing religiosity and del negro for his perpetual mediocrity. i'm firmly in the thibodeau camp, and i'd be satisfied with a scott brooks hire, but if either candidate proves to be out of the kings' reach, then i'd much rather see this franchise take a flyer on an up-and-coming assistant rather than pursue jackson or del negro...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I love McHale as an analyst -- he sounds like the smartest guy in the room. You throw in the all time post player skills, the all time championship team resume, and you'd think this could be a real find as a coach.
But somehow the coaching resume itself has been dodgy. A guy many consider one of the greatest PF defenders...yet his team's don't defend. They feel sloppy. Uptempo to a fault. Junkballing in Houston. Was that Morey? McHale? I have no idea. But you know, not counting this season, he made the playoffs three straight years in the West, won 50+ the last two, was in the WCF last year. So another guy who's "failures" would actually look like huge successes by our standards.
Iced Espresso
Starter
What's your precise problem with Vinny? You just think he's a decent coach?
Iced Espresso
Starter
I'd imagine Harden and the moody Howard aren't the easiest to motivate, and Harden's lack of D is legendary.
I'm neutral with McHale. I'm not sure what to make of it either.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Obviously Thibs is my first choice, but if we're going in the direction of an assistant, do not sleep on Jay Larranaga. He's a very interesting candidate.
Padrino
All-Star
there's nothing specifically wrong with vinny del negro, but there's also nothing particularly special about him, either. he's a coach you settle for. he's a low risk/low reward kind of hire. and he's exactly the kind of coach you bring on board if you want to affirm the media's insistence that this franchise is just spinning its wheels...
I agree. But of current assistants, I'm still firmly on the Ime Udoka bandwagon.
SacKings384
Starter
Hearing Larranga from the Celtics might be in the picture, which would be interesting. Celts fans really like him.
I don't think we have the capability to pull Thibs. Probably not Scott Brooks (who I'm not a massive fan of). Definitely don't want VDN in any way shape or form. I share Padrino's feelings on him.
I don't think we have the capability to pull Thibs. Probably not Scott Brooks (who I'm not a massive fan of). Definitely don't want VDN in any way shape or form. I share Padrino's feelings on him.
randymoss1881
Starter
All I know is it takes a good coach to come back down 1-3 in the playoffs. Also look at Houston this year after he was gone. He has also been on NBA tv gushing over DMC earlier this year and saying our defense was bad. He also didn't like DMC taking 3s so that will stop.
Another guy I like is Jeff Hornasack he was good in Phoenix till the front office did the team in with dumbass moves.
My top 3 (we ain't getting Thibs)
1. Blatt (build vlade a statue if he gets him)
2. McHale
3. Hornasack
Showtime
Starter
Mark Jackson not only is a horrible coach, he also has character issues and has a history of clashing with some of his players. He also injects his hypocritical faith into the locker room and doesn't rub everybody the right way. Also, he's insufferable to listen to. If this franchise honestly pursues Mark Jackson, I'm turning in my fan card.
Additionally, people need to stop even considering Brooks and Thibs. They won't touch this place with a 10' pole. The team's best bet is to go young (experience wise), possibly with a Kerr-esque hire.
What are the other teams likely to hire new coaches this off-season? I've got:
Brooklyn
New York
Minnesota
Los Angeles (Lakers)
Washington
Cleveland
Houston
Phoenix
And possibly:
Milwaukee
Chicago
Philadelphia
New Orleans
So yeah, I'll say competition for the top coaches will be fierce. Add us to the list and that's nearly half the league.
Brooklyn
New York
Minnesota
Los Angeles (Lakers)
Washington
Cleveland
Houston
Phoenix
And possibly:
Milwaukee
Chicago
Philadelphia
New Orleans
So yeah, I'll say competition for the top coaches will be fierce. Add us to the list and that's nearly half the league.
Iced Espresso
Starter
I'm least secure about Blatt of those 3, probably a foreigner bias. But I want someone with some experience too. I'm mostly against Jackson you could say. I'd be open to McHale or Horny, or even Vinny from the previously mentioned coaches.
I'm with you about Thibs, no way in hell he is coming to town.
Bricklayer
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
All the more reason to get this done tomorrow and immediately start making phone calls. Its possible the top guys might wait for the job of their choice, confident they can get it. But if you slap a hefty offer in front of anybody else I don't know they are going to turn it down and count on a better one coming down the pike. Just don't let any of the guys go to Kinko's in between interviews.
Livinthedream
All-Star
I understand the negative sentiment regarding Jackson based on personality and/or personal transgressions. But he improved the Warriors every year. Why was he successful? And are his strengths what this team needs when we're talking about finding the best fit?
Edit: I'm not advocating for or against Jackson.
Edit: I'm not advocating for or against Jackson.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
FML if they hire someone off of that 2nd tier.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
He's drama.
Not to mention a reprehensible hypocrite.
We really don't need any more of that crap.
Iced Espresso
Starter
You could always keep Georgie
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We say that, and yet each of those coaches won 50 games in their last season.
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