ESPN: George Karl fired (edited title)

Most would agree that Karl was not a good fit for the Kings. The question is how much of the problem was Karl's ageing, bad health, and maybe outdated coaching style? If the guy is a HOF coach, he deserves some consideration. It also raises the question as to how much of the Organizational problems led to his ineffectiveness. It also brings up the question of other players that struggled with the Kings' and went to other teams and did better like I Thomas and H Whiteside. How much of the problems were Karl and how much were the Kings'?
 
Most would agree that Karl was not a good fit for the Kings. The question is how much of the problem was Karl's ageing, bad health, and maybe outdated coaching style? If the guy is a HOF coach, he deserves some consideration. It also raises the question as to how much of the Organizational problems led to his ineffectiveness. It also brings up the question of other players that struggled with the Kings' and went to other teams and did better like I Thomas and H Whiteside. How much of the problems were Karl and how much were the Kings'?
Likely a combination. Which is why I'm not convinced that the coaching change means things will be fine.
 

Bricklayer

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Most would agree that Karl was not a good fit for the Kings. The question is how much of the problem was Karl's ageing, bad health, and maybe outdated coaching style? If the guy is a HOF coach, he deserves some consideration. It also raises the question as to how much of the Organizational problems led to his ineffectiveness. It also brings up the question of other players that struggled with the Kings' and went to other teams and did better like I Thomas and H Whiteside. How much of the problems were Karl and how much were the Kings'?
One of the points I have made repeatedly is that there is almost NO history of players leaving here and doing better.

Just Whiteside, and a couple of veterans that came here and just mysteriously failed, before resuming their careers -- Sessions and Hickson.

Even Isaiah is just the same guy he was here, just getting a few more shots because he has finally got to live his lifelong ambition of pretending to be a #1 option. He was up over 20 last time he was here.

the organization has been ineffective, but maybe the two worst areas of effectiveness have been 1) talent evaluation, especially in the draft, but really anywhere; and 2) coaches.

As I've said you can't develop what is not there. Former Kings draft picks Jimmer, Stauskas (little better down the stretch), TRob, etc. aren't tearing up the league. Former Kings starters like Beno, or Donte, or JT, or Hawes or Chuck Hayes or Thornton aren't running around tearing things up either. To other teams they are end of the benchers.

This was the first year when we had finally managed to accumulate a critical mass of proven pieces that had been put to the test by other, competent organizations.
 
Most would agree that Karl was not a good fit for the Kings. The question is how much of the problem was Karl's ageing, bad health, and maybe outdated coaching style? If the guy is a HOF coach, he deserves some consideration. It also raises the question as to how much of the Organizational problems led to his ineffectiveness. It also brings up the question of other players that struggled with the Kings' and went to other teams and did better like I Thomas and H Whiteside. How much of the problems were Karl and how much were the Kings'?
Jerry Reynolds summed it up during the telecast in the last 2 games. "This is the worst dribbling team I've seen."

What is the name of the offense Karl is using?
 

VF21

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Easier said than done. How many of our fired coaches are we still paying? We are bleeding money in the coaching department and I am not sure that Vivek will be willing to fork over that much money, even for Thibs (nor do I think its realistic for us, but that's another matter). Mchale or McMillan would be great alternatives. I'm not a huge fan of Scott Brooks (I don't think he's a great coach, just happened to have 2 future hall of famers on his team), Thibs will have every single team after him and will most likely get to pick where he wants to go. A dark horse could be David Blatt, but I haven't really heard anything about him related to us.
One.
 

Glenn

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But if they hire him the Kings are off the hook for the remainder of his salary. :p
This is the biggest part of this deal. As there seemed to be a concern about money among some of the minority owners, this would lead to a collective sigh of relief.
 
But if they hire him the Kings are off the hook for the remainder of his salary. :p
I've got to wonder about Karl's thoughts on his legacy. I'd imagine he'd like to have someone to pass things down to, someone mentored, to continue things. Has he ever had a assistant that ended up having a successful career?

He's running short on time, so if the pay is close I'd think he'd rather be working than drinking a pina colada on the beach somewhere.
 

VF21

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I've got to wonder about Karl's thoughts on his legacy. I'd imagine he'd like to have someone to pass things down to, someone mentored, to continue things. Has he ever had a assistant that ended up having a successful career?

He's running short on time, so if the pay is close I'd think he'd rather be working than drinking a pina colada on the beach somewhere.
He does have a son...

(FromWikipedia)
Coby Joseph Karl is a former American basketball player who currently works as an assistant coach for the Westchester Knicks of the NBA Development League.
 
I've got to wonder about Karl's thoughts on his legacy. I'd imagine he'd like to have someone to pass things down to, someone mentored, to continue things. Has he ever had a assistant that ended up having a successful career?

He's running short on time, so if the pay is close I'd think he'd rather be working than drinking a pina colada on the beach somewhere.
Terry Stotts worked for Karl from 1992-2002 as an assistant. Scott Brooks was also an assistant of his in Denver.
 

VF21

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Why is that? It's not an NBA team.
Hrm. Good point. I guess it would depend on the particulars of the contract Karl signed with the Kings. Larry Brown, for example, only got half of his contract when he was fired by the Knicks, even though it was a guaranteed contract.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Why would Karl go to college ball and deal with crap like recruiting? Even if UNLV expectations are not huge that just doesn't seem like a good fit for either party.
 

VF21

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Why would Karl go to college ball and deal with crap like recruiting? Even if UNLV expectations are not huge that just doesn't seem like a good fit for either party.
I think UNLV must have agreed as they moved with lightning speed to fill the vacancy.
 

pdxKingsFan

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I think UNLV must have agreed as they moved with lightning speed to fill the vacancy.
Sounds like they had a bit of a nightmare on their hands and were pretty desperate. In that regard, it would be a repeat of Karl coming to the Kings. Wonder if he does take another gig if it's another team that is just in panic mode.
 

gunks

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Does anybody know what their relationship is? I tried to look in the Wikipedia if they has common background in the Maccabi Tel Aviv, but it didn't look like it.
I was kinda being a wisearse. But coaching the only Israeli in the NBA has to count for something, right?

I want us to get Blatt. Which means we'll end up with Vinny or Mark Jackson.