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so.... the Sixers are disappointed in him and not sure if he fits what they are trying to do.

I know it would not be easy to lose 70 games with Brand in middle which would blow some people's visions.... but what if we just cut the crap and acquired Brand?

Do people hold out hope of getting a better vet, or a better young prospect? Brand is a star/borderline superstar. How about centerpiece for the new Kings?

Maybe it costs one of our young bigs or our #1 pick plus some of these guys: Brad, Kenny, Moore, Salmons.

Heck I think you could sell some tickets and win some games with:

Hinrich
Martin
Marion
Brand
Hawes or Thompson (whoever you didnt' have to trade for Brand)

If Kevin, your draft pick and remaining young big (or both remaining bigs) pan out maybe you become a young contender sooner rather than later.

flame suit on... but I don't consider this patchwork mediocrity - but rather a big move out of suckville without completely sacrificing the rebuild concept.

Gone: Brad, Beano, Kenny, Salmons, Mikki .... THAT is a rebuild in itself - just keep the vets Marion and Brand while Greene and the rest of the team round into form.

I love Marion he runs fast and jumps high. I love Brand he swats shots like flies and is a bully in the paint and can shoot, a beautiful player.
 
Brand is a question mark given his injury history, and this honestly looks like a first round exit at best. Brad, Kenny, AND Mikki are gone soon anyways, I wouldn't want to take on Brand & Hinrich if it involves bleeding the youth. It is similar to what the Celts did, but with lesser talent.
 
Acquiring Elton Brand would, IMHO, be contraproductive to rebuilding and molding a young team for the future. And, quite frankly, I don't think he's anywhere near "star/borderline superstar" status. And getting another player with a history of injuries? No thanks. Been down that road way too many times.
 
Shawn Marion is already on the decline--a player so reliant on his athleticism tends to peak earlier than most, so he's already on his downward trajectory--he still has a solid jumper, but without that up-tempo game his scoring numbers have dipped severely. He's already past the age of players we should covet anyway, and we shouldn't even partake in getting once good players on the decline--they're best served as glue guys on championship teams, not major players on poor teams.

I could almost say that about Brand too, but I'll hesitate--I think he can round back to form, and even though he's had a lot of mileage in this league, he's always been a rock sound all meat and potatoes type contributor who isn't really reliant on athleticism. But again, we have to make the decision here--can we really rebuild like this on the fly and hope that Brand and Martin can amount to something? I think they can cover each other's holes somewhat, but the West is so deep I don't even think the risk is worth it--just go all-out rebuild, and thus he's the past the age of players coveted. Again, great guy for a playoff team, but not for us.

Same as Hinrich. Rinse and repeat.
 
I expected this... ok but I don't see anybody molding anything into anything frankly. Just empty seats.

It is the nature of the Kings fan to be more fond of a talent like Donte Greene, or Spencer Hawes, or Jason Thompson, or really whoever is the latest youngster to flash... fountains of potential where the sky is the limit in a dream world - than a demonstrated beast like Brand or athlete along the lines of Marion. I find that curious.

But I sort of expected that kind of response...not really surprised.

I wonder what do you all imagine the "really good contender Kings" to look like some day?

Brown who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Hinrich)
Kevin Martin
Greene who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Marion)
Thompson who matierlizes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Brand)
Hawes who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like, well, be consistently like Hawes on a good day)


In all seriousness - outside the vague idea that we should play kids and promote youth... what are you looking at as the "really good team" that emerges?

I'll run my five against any realistic scenario.

Brand isn't a lesser talent than too many people.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
It is the nature of the Kings fan to be more fond of a talent like Donte Greene, or Spencer Hawes, or Jason Thompson, or really whoever is the latest youngster to flash... fountains of potential where the sky is the limit in a dream world - than a demonstrated beast like Brand or athlete along the lines of Marion. I find that curious.
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You're the one whose making silly predictions - not us. First of all, no one is saying any of those guys will be stars. They have the potential to be good players on a contending team. More importantly, they will be in their prime when we (hopefully) get that real superstar (ala Webber, not Brand, who isn't even an All-Star, let alone a superstar). Brand isn't really a "beast". He's a good player but he's injury prone. As pointed out before, why go down that road again? If you think your line-up is any better than that of:

Nash/Bell/Diaw/Marion/Stoudemire

Then you are deluded. And that team couldn't get it done, and guess what else; they had a real coach!

I wonder what do you all imagine the "really good contender Kings" to look like some day?
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I will answer this, even though it's a silly question since no one knows. Here's a rough guide:

PG - Draft pick, possible superstar
SG - Martin
SF - Greene (if he develops), or draft pick or FA.
PF - Thompson or superstar through draft.
C - Hawes

Bench: Garcia, B Brown (if he continues to develop), draft picks and FAs.


Your problem with the above plan is that it will take some patience. It will take a few years. And you know what? Every single team that's won a 'chip has gone through it. It's the cycle of the NBA. I find it absolutely perplexing that some still want a quick fix.

Brown who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Hinrich)
Kevin Martin
Greene who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Marion)
Thompson who matierlizes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Brand)
Hawes who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like, well, be consistently like Hawes on a good day)
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The above is you simply insinuating silly things that people have not, in fact, ever said. Brown could turn out to be a good player, then again he may not. And I love how you write off 20 yr old Hawes, especially considering he's shown he has alot of talent. Again, you're missing the overall point (at this stage I think you just don't want to look at the problem). While a short-lived, future mortgaged team is what you may enjoy, some of us want a fun and young team who will keep us in contention for a few years longer. You're also making the pretty ludicrous suggestion that we have the pieces to trade for all three of Marion, Brand and Hinrich. Whose going to come off the bench? Better yet, who are we going to trade? No team will want Thompson, he'd be lucky to turn into Brand. Ditto for Hawes, he'll never improve. Greene won't be Marion, why on earth would a team want him? Martin is in your above team, so I'm guessing you haven't traded him in your little dream. Who on earth are we going to trade?


In all seriousness - outside the vague idea that we should play kids and promote youth... what are you looking at as the "really good team" that emerges?

I'll run my five against any realistic scenario.

Brand isn't a lesser talent than too many people.
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How have you actually managed to get it into your head that your scenario is in any way realistic (see above), let alone more realistic than the tried and tested method that we are using right now? :confused:

I just don't get it.
 
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No, just no.

Brand was never as good as people made him out to be anyway -- undersized, never had any apparent impact on his team's W/L column through a decade of losing, and losing badly. But now he is also aging, playing on a bad leg with a big contract, and plays the same position as our best young player. And that's just no in 1000 different ways.
 
I covered the Brand thing when he left LA, and despite his reputation, having heard what both sides said about what went down, I think Brand pulled a very low class move on the Clippers. He wanted to get back east to be closer to his family, and he's almost 30 years old with injury problems. He's averaging 15/9/2, which is just about what JT is putting up when he starts. Oh, and Brand has about 80 mil and 5 years left on his deal. Are kingsfans so desperate to get a name in sac that they will get older, overpaid stars past their primes? I thought that was what was to be avoided?
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
I expected this... ok but I don't see anybody molding anything into anything frankly. Just empty seats.

It is the nature of the Kings fan to be more fond of a talent like Donte Greene, or Spencer Hawes, or Jason Thompson, or really whoever is the latest youngster to flash... fountains of potential where the sky is the limit in a dream world - than a demonstrated beast like Brand or athlete along the lines of Marion. I find that curious.

But I sort of expected that kind of response...not really surprised.

I wonder what do you all imagine the "really good contender Kings" to look like some day?

Brown who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Hinrich)
Kevin Martin
Greene who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Marion)
Thompson who matierlizes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like Brand)
Hawes who materializes into gold (would be lucky to ever be like, well, be consistently like Hawes on a good day)


In all seriousness - outside the vague idea that we should play kids and promote youth... what are you looking at as the "really good team" that emerges?

I'll run my five against any realistic scenario.

Brand isn't a lesser talent than too many people.
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So what is your goal here. Just to make the play offs or actually be a genuine contender?

No offence but that team contends nothing. Brand has been on a winning team once in his entire career. He has been Sixers big off season signing and if anything, his presence has dragged them down. He is NOT the player you build around. Never was and never will be.

What we need to be focusing on is actually getting a franchise player. Someone that you build a genuine contender around. Not a mediocre team that goes nowhere. Marion is in the decline and lets be brutally honest, he rode the tails of Steve Nash and D'Antonie's system to get his startdom but outside of that system, he is not half the player.

So you would basically have to just about max out 2 players (Matrix and Brand) and none of which are franchise type players.

I would rather try my luck in getting that player through the draft either this year or next year and use the other picks to pick solid young talent and use the cap space to sign a couple of good FA to round out a contender. I am not interested in being a middle of the road play off team thats realistically not in it to win it. Making the playoffs is not enough. Been there, than that and this is where it got us to.

How about we actually try and rebuild in the right manner. None of this quick fix rubbish. Rebuilding takes patience and a lot of crappy basketball along the way but as long as we are doing it the right way, we WILL come out the other and and be much better for it. All you need is one player, and you are on the way. Look at what Spurs have been able to do with Tim Duncan.
 
Čarolija said:
So what is your goal here. Just to make the play offs or actually be a genuine contender?
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My goal is I wish I could erase the thread lol I was ridiculed so bad...ouch

I overrate Brand I guess and hey what can I say I am an old dude out of touch I guess. To me I sometimes coveted Brand even when I had Webber. He just always appealed to me so much as a tough guy inside who could do lots of things. And Marion.... I was at the Heat game and was sitting up close, and he went to block a shot (don't rememer if he swatted the shot or just tried) and leapt from the court into the seats... and I said "ah that was cool would be nice to have someone who could do that".

So I got on the wrong track...

So I want a mulligan on the whole thing.
 
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Francisco d'Anconia said:
My goal is I wish I could erase the thread lol I was ridiculed so bad...ouch

I overrate Brand I guess and hey what can I say I am an old dude out of touch I guess. To me I sometimes coveted Brand even when I had Webber. He just always appealed to me so much as a tough guy inside who could do lots of things. And Marion.... I was at the Heat game and was sitting up close, and he went to block a shot (don't rememer if he swatted the shot or just tried) and leapt from the court into the seats... and I said "ah that was cool would be nice to have someone who could do that".

So I got on the wrong track...

So I want a mulligan on the whole thing.
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Don't sweat it. If you are going to pose a trade, though, you better be willing to defend it. Don't be intimidated by a bunch of keyboard jockies. Some of these self-proclaimed experts couldn't dribble a basketball without pulling a groin, and yet they delusionally think they are NBA personnel directors with superior insight and wisdom to that of Geoff Petrie.

That said, your ideas are not very good.
 
I have no interest in getting Elton Brand at all and I think most people have already covered why.

Hinrich I would have accepted if we were still trying to deal Bibby. But he has a big contract and even though he’s not that bad of a player, trading for him would be another mistake on our part.
 
bench_blob said:
Don't sweat it. If you are going to pose a trade, though, you better be willing to defend it. Don't be intimidated by a bunch of keyboard jockies. Some of these self-proclaimed experts couldn't dribble a basketball without pulling a groin, and yet they delusionally think they are NBA personnel directors with superior insight and wisdom to that of Geoff Petrie.

That said, your ideas are not very good.
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Funny that you should be the one criticising people. Most of your opinions are nothing short of laughable. As well as that, I've noticed over the last few weeks that your posts have alot of bitterness. :confused:
 
Dime Dropper said:
Bad thing about this site is that there is no ignore button.
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Just admit it, you love my posts. :cool: Seriously, I love the Kings so if I am bitter about anything, it's that we are SO bad!!! And I am fed up with the B.S. we are witnessing on the court nowadays. I think at least we can agree on that.
 
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