Dwight Howard :)

Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Rumors are that Golden State made an offer for Dwight Howard:

Monta Ellis
Andris Biendrins
Ekpe Udoh


Just for giggles, would you offer:

Tyreke Evans
Jason Thompson
Omri Casspi
#7

?

-- those that would trade Evans straight up for Luke Ridnour because Ridnour "plays the game right" need not reply.


Resulting lineup:

Dwight Howard
DeMarcus Cousins
free agent SF (defense, Bowen role next to Twin Towers)
Marcus Thornton
Beno Udrih

Garcia
Dalembert
Greene
free agent PG?
 
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Bricklayer said:
Rumors are that Golden State made an offer for Dwight Howard:

Monta Ellis
Andris Biendrins
Ekpe Udoh


Just for giggles, would you offer:

Tyreke Evans
Jason Thompson
Omri Casspi
#7

?

-- those that would trade Evans straight up for Luke Ridnour because Ridnour "plays the game right" need not reply.


Resulting lineup:

Dwight Howard
DeMarcus Cousins
free agent SF (defense, Bowen role next to Twin Towers)
Marcus Thornton
Beno Udrih

Garcia
Dalembert ?
Greene ?
free agent PG?
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Real question is how long it took for th Orlando Magic to laugh the Warriors off the phone.
 
That is TOO much for howard...

he still can't hit free throws... still not polished down in the post

I'd take our chances with what we have right now, we gut our team to have howard would just set us back a few more years.
 
Id keep tyreke and try work a deal surrounding our other pieces. They'd want Cousins and with us bringing in Howard we'd most likely look to let Sammy walk and try swing a trade for an established PF such as Boozer or we could plug that gap with JT.

We could even keep Sammy and play a towers lineup of Dwight and Sammy in the post considering how good Sammys defence was on PFs last season. I seem to remember him doing very well against the younger, quicker LaMarcus Aldridge.

Ahh the options available
 
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Sac.1989 said:
Id keep tyreke and try work a deal surrounding our other pieces. They'd want Cousins and with us bringing in Howard we'd most likely look to let Sammy walk and try swing a trade for an established PF such as Boozer or we could plug that gap with JT
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I would think Cousins is untouchable. He will be the best big man in the NBA in a few short years and i am glad we have him. As far as tyreke is concerned so many people are quick to give up on him. I think he will bounce back fine in his third year and remind all the critics why he was rookie of the year and make that leap similar to Rose. I like are team and I think we are putting the pieces in place to be contenders in a couple of years. It should be noted that if we switched Cousins personality on the court and Dwights the Magic would have a couple rings by now.
 
Aenadin said:
That is TOO much for howard...

he still can't hit free throws... still not polished down in the post

I'd take our chances with what we have right now, we gut our team to have howard would just set us back a few more years.
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When a player can block, rebound, and defend like Howard can, you can live with Shaq like free throw shooting. And Howard is just coming into his prime. A big-man duo of Howard/Cousins would be the best in the NBA and pretty much unstoppable for years to come. Seriously, you could be talking potential dynasty there. As much as i like Tyreke, I think you have to make that trade if it were available. JT and Casspi are role players and replaceable and no one in this draft seems to have the potential to be as good as Howard is.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
When a player can block, rebound, and defend like Howard can, you can live with Shaq like free throw shooting. And Howard is just coming into his prime. A big-man duo of Howard/Cousins would be the best in the NBA and pretty much unstoppable for years to come. Seriously, you could be talking potential dynasty there. As much as i like Tyreke, I think you have to make that trade if it were available. JT and Casspi are role players and replaceable and no one in this draft seems to have the potential to be as good as Howard is.
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I love Tyreke, but Howard is a superstar and seems like he's taking his game to another level.

The big IF in this scenario would be if Howard would sign an extension as part of the deal. I have no interest in trading Reke for 1 year of Howard. Now trading Reke for 6-7 years of Howard is a different story.
 
Sac.1989 said:
Id keep tyreke and try work a deal surrounding our other pieces. They'd want Cousins and with us bringing in Howard we'd most likely look to let Sammy walk and try swing a trade for an established PF such as Boozer or we could plug that gap with JT.

We could even keep Sammy and play a towers lineup of Dwight and Sammy in the post considering how good Sammys defence was on PFs last season. I seem to remember him doing very well against the younger, quicker LaMarcus Aldridge.

Ahh the options available
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put the booz down :) he went MIA against MIA in the ECF

i'm content with the current team. we'd be gutting our team for dwight who might leave us after his contract is up anyway............ i don't think there is enough pieces to surround the gutted team to make it attractive for dwight to stay long term.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
put the booz down :) he went MIA against MIA in the ECF

i'm content with the current team. we'd be gutting our team for dwight who might leave us after his contract is up anyway............ i don't think there is enough pieces to surround the gutted team to make it attractive for dwight to stay long term.
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I don't know about other people, but when I talk about a Howard trade it's on the assumed premise that there would be a sign and trade involved with a significant extension. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to do it for a one year rental and then take your chances.
 
Yup, I'd do it. As much as as I like Tyreke, I'm not "all in" on him yet. There are things about his game I like, and things about his game I hate. I'm still not sure a team can really win with him as your lead guard.

JT, Omri, and #7 are all much more replacable then Tyreke, so losing that group wouldnt hurt that much.

Of course, this is all for an extended Dwight Howard.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Yup, I'd do it. As much as as I like Tyreke, I'm not "all in" on him yet. There are things about his game I like, and things about his game I hate. I'm still not sure a team can really win with him as your lead guard.

JT, Omri, and #7 are all much more replacable then Tyreke, so losing that group wouldnt hurt that much.

Of course, this is all for an extended Dwight Howard.
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The idea of coach Carill and Dwight working together ... I don't know whether to be excited or run away from the disaster that could unfold.
 
Sptsjunkie said:
I love Tyreke, but Howard is a superstar and seems like he's taking his game to another level.

The big IF in this scenario would be if Howard would sign an extension as part of the deal. I have no interest in trading Reke for 1 year of Howard. Now trading Reke for 6-7 years of Howard is a different story.
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Bingo!!! Will Howard sign an extension? That would have to be part of the deal, or, no deal! Other than that, its an interesting idea. There are some very good prospects at the PG position that could be had in the second round. Being greedy, I'd love to hang onto our 7th pick, but I wouldn't let that stand in the way of making a deal. Cousins and Howard together on the front line, is enough to make one foam at the mouth. Of course both are foul magnets so you have to bring in some insurance in the way of another big man. Someone like, let me think?????? Hey, how about Dalembert, or perhaps some guy named Chandler....?
 
assuming we dont have to worry about howard bolting on us next season (i assume this because the premise of this thread is just for fun). i would do it to. i like evans and he has the potential to be a great player...but dwight howard is already a great player. he is also easier to build a team around. with tyreke, we have to worry about the right pg/sg to fit in with him due to his "ball dominance." like others said jt and casspi are roleplayers so we arent really gutting the team. we will still have cousins and thornton who we can put in for tyreke. plus i believe FAs will come to play with dwight as opposed to tyreke.
 
When I think superstar bigman I think of someone who's great at D but can also run the offense. Howard can do one of those. I'd rather build a team through 2 stars that can play pretty good at both ends(like what we hope Evans and Cousins become) and have a legit 6'11"-7' roleplaying center like Dally or Chandler.

So I'll pass on that trade. Maybe it's because at the end of the day, I've never been that high on Howard as most are.
 
*giggle*

Dwight + contract extension, of course you give them anything they want. No question.

For a one year rental of Dwight that package would be on par with what Orlando would be seeking. Keep in mind what New Jersey gave up for a 1.5 year rental of Deron Williams.

The answer is obviously no in that situation, unless Petrie has some inside information that a franchise tag will be included in the next CBA :). Dwight 100% would not resign in Sacramento, he definitely wants to flee to a big city like LA.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
I don't know about other people, but when I talk about a Howard trade it's on the assumed premise that there would be a sign and trade involved with a significant extension. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to do it for a one year rental and then take your chances.
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good point. now after some thought, i'd be willing to send reke for a resigned long term howard to pair w/ demarcus.
 
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I'd do it for 3 of those pieces not all 4. Of course Tyreke would have to be involved because he is our star in return. id want to keep Jason or the #7 maybe keep Jason and #7 then S&T Dalembert Orlando gets Tyreke, Omri, and Sammy. if its a must we can put in #7 but i think its a must for us to keep a 3rd big either Jason or Sammy.
 
They're going to want either Tyreke or DeMarcus and it's an interesting question whether we'd have a better shot at competing with Evans/Howard or Cousins/Howard. Traditionally it's the big guy and wing player combo that sets teams up for a championship but having the best frontcourt in the league would be a pretty good start too. It's usually easier to sign a star wing or guard as a free agent so the way Brick set it up is probably better for us. On the other hand, Orlando might not make the trade unless they're getting a star big man in return.

It'd be interesting to see either lineup, but ultimately I think Tyreke and DeMarcus on the same team is going to cause more problems for other teams as they both get better. Cousins needs a defensive center next to him but he can do it all on offense. Tyreke is the biggest mismatch in the league at PG on either offense or defense. If we can use those other assets, Thompson/Casspi/#7 pick, to acquire a stud SF we'd be further along I think. Dally and Thornton already slot in as a capable supporting cast at the other two positions so we'd just be looking for the right role players to add into the rotation.
 
While Dwight is an established Superstar all ready and Tyreke is not...I still would rather not make this trade. I'm fine with a Reke/Cuz pairing to be honest and I'm not willing to give up on Reke just yet. If he doesn't show many signs of improvement after his rookie contract is up, then yes...trade him.
 
kingsboi said:
While Dwight is an established Superstar all ready and Tyreke is not...I still would rather not make this trade. I'm fine with a Reke/Cuz pairing to be honest and I'm not willing to give up on Reke just yet. If he doesn't show many signs of improvement after his rookie contract is up, then yes...trade him.
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It's not about giving up on Tyreke. It's about getting Dwight Freaking Howard. If they blew up the league today and conducted a draft to redistribute the players, any team that doesn't take Dwight at #1 is insane. There might be a few better players out there, but a big man that locks down the paint and gives you around 25 ppg and 13 rpg is something that's impossible to come by. You can replace Kobe with Wade, Durant with Carmelo, or Rose with Westbrook. The difference is not that great. Who do you replace Dwight with that gives you anything in the ballpark? An extended Dwight is more valuable to any team than Tyreke will ever be, even if he reaches his full potential. We get Dwight AND we get to keep Cousins and Thornton (plus capspace since we don't need to resign Dally anymore)? Petrie would have to be insane not to sign that deal. I'm shocked this is even being debated.
 
Sorry to be a downer but why would Dwight Howard agree to a sign and trade with us? If Orlando is actually willing to listen to offers they will probably have 15 teams knocking down their door.
 
Dwight Howard number one overall? OMG, I thought I had seen it all. That is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. This guy is not Duncan. He is not Hakeem. He is not KAJ. What the hell are you smoking? Give me Kobe, wade, lebron, dirk, rose etc any day over Howard. Dwight has no command of his team's offense. His defense is amazing, I'll give you that. But no way in hell can you take him over the rest of the elite in this game. He's not that type of big man. Wow!
 
TheWileyVet said:
Sorry to be a downer but why would Dwight Howard agree to a sign and trade with us? If Orlando is actually willing to listen to offers they will probably have 15 teams knocking down their door.
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It's a hypothetical thing. No one thinks there's a chance in hell of this actually going down.
 
est.1999 said:
Dwight Howard number one overall? OMG, I thought I had seen it all. That is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. This guy is not Duncan. He is not Hakeem. He is not KAJ. What the hell are you smoking? Give me Kobe, wade, lebron, dirk, rose etc any day over Howard. Dwight has no command of his team's offense. His defense is amazing, I'll give you that. But no way in hell can you take him over the rest of the elite in this game. He's not that type of big man. Wow!
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You don't seem to understand how basketball works.
 
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