2013 unrestricted freeagents:

We have a couple decent assets to trade.. Like Evans and MT. With a couple free agent signings we could definitely get right back into the thick of things.

Lopez could play next to Cousins, or we could look into a trade that would bring over Nene? It wouldn't give us the shot blocking but Nene's D has been impressive next to Okafor. I just doubt they would trade him to us.

PGs... Is Teague a URFA? What about Collison?

Teague is in the exact same situation as Evans is. he could be available in a hypothetical scenario, in which Atlanta signs both Dwight Howard and Chris Paul and needs every bit of capspace to flesh out the roster, but that's rather unlikely, I'm afraid. Collison is in the same boat, as well, but why would you want him?
 
I'd go after Bynum. Yes he had problems, but he also has talent. Talent that we wouldn't get otherwise.

You realize that Bynum is looking for a max contract. Does that mean you would offer Bynum somewhere around 20 mil a year to come to the Kings. I sure as hell wouldn't!
 
We have a couple decent assets to trade.. Like Evans and MT. With a couple free agent signings we could definitely get right back into the thick of things.

Lopez could play next to Cousins, or we could look into a trade that would bring over Nene? It wouldn't give us the shot blocking but Nene's D has been impressive next to Okafor. I just doubt they would trade him to us.

PGs... Is Teague a URFA? What about Collison?


You seem really eager to dispose of Evans. Hmm, I wonder why?!
 
Greg Oden could be a nice addition to the team and potentially even at a decent price the rei could be off the charts.
Once the cartiledge on the knee starts going it's a wrap... I know firsthand as I've had osteoarthritis in my knees since I was 21yrs old as a result of a basketball injury. Until science finds a way to regrow or replace cartiledge it's hoping in vain for a guy like Oden. Same thing with Brandon Roy.
 
Once the cartiledge on the knee starts going it's a wrap... I know firsthand as I've had osteoarthritis in my knees since I was 21yrs old as a result of a basketball injury. Until science finds a way to regrow or replace cartiledge it's hoping in vain for a guy like Oden. Same thing with Brandon Roy.

Science is able to regenerate cartilage. The treatment is called MACI or matrix-induced autologous chondrocyte implantation. It is a fairly new procedure, and therefore there is fairly limited info re long term outcomes but initial findings are positive. Not sure of the use with athletes.

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As for Greg Oden- I am fairly cynical. He hasn't played. I don't see the point in paying a guy who has not played and may never be available.

The warriors did take a risk with Andrew Bogut and got good production from him in the playoffs. However, Bogut has played more than Oden. Also- he was acquired via trade for Monta Ellis, so an element of addition via subtraction regardless of Bogut's production...
 
Science is able to regenerate cartilage. The treatment is called MACI or matrix-induced autologous chondrocyte implantation. It is a fairly new procedure, and therefore there is fairly limited info re long term outcomes but initial findings are positive. Not sure of the use with athletes.

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As for Greg Oden- I am fairly cynical. He hasn't played. I don't see the point in paying a guy who has not played and may never be available.

The warriors did take a risk with Andrew Bogut and got good production from him in the playoffs. However, Bogut has played more than Oden. Also- he was acquired via trade for Monta Ellis, so an element of addition via subtraction regardless of Bogut's production...

Some people don't believe in science. That's the problem. :) Micro-fracture surgery is used to regenerate cartilage and for some it is successful. Hawes had it done as a teenager. In short, blood turns into cartilage if everything works properly.
 
I don't think Vivek is here to mess around. The Buford chatter, if nothing else, showed to all that we'll be going for the best. I fully expect us to go after Chris Paul and/or Howard. Only reasons I can think of not to are cap related, and I'm not fully up on that, but assuming that can be worked out, and we can avoid lux tax for too too long, I see every sign that we'll try.

Small market shmall market, we're going global. Players (agents, really, if they're smart enough to see it), will want in on that action.
 
That would most likely mean letting Evans walk.

Why? Did our rights over him go away because we haven't extended or made a qualifying offer? I really don't know. I thought the general principle behind a great deal of the CBA is to make life easier for teams trying to keep their own players.

Anyway, getting Iggy, drafting Adams, and carting away a guard would make my summer complete. If we can somehow keep Tyreke, adding Iggy and Malone would make a significant change in how this team approaches a game.
 
Why? Did our rights over him go away because we haven't extended or made a qualifying offer? I really don't know. I thought the general principle behind a great deal of the CBA is to make life easier for teams trying to keep their own players.

Anyway, getting Iggy, drafting Adams, and carting away a guard would make my summer complete. If we can somehow keep Tyreke, adding Iggy and Malone would make a significant change in how this team approaches a game.

we don't have the cap room to sign Iggy unless we renounce Reke's cap hold.

If we use the amnesty on Salmons to clear cap space and sign Tyreke for around 10M starting I believe we'll have around 10M more in cap room even after signing our draft pick.

unlikely to be enough.
 
Let's say you could have either Evans or Iggy for 4 years, $45-50 million. Who would you rather have? Who's a better fit with Cousins?

I'm torn.

Well, let's say you can have Evans for 4/$45, or you can have Iggy for 4/$64. Because, let's be honest, Iggy is opting out of a hair under $16M, and he'll want to get $16M per year on his new deal.
 
Well, let's say you can have Evans for 4/$45, or you can have Iggy for 4/$64. Because, let's be honest, Iggy is opting out of a hair under $16M, and he'll want to get $16M per year on his new deal.

I take Evans for 4/45. 4/64 is just too much for Iggy, even if I'd love to have him here. I don't think he'll find anybody willing to pay him so much. That's franchise player money. He is a great 2nd or 3rd option on a team, not a franchise player.
 
Well, let's say you can have Evans for 4/$45, or you can have Iggy for 4/$64. Because, let's be honest, Iggy is opting out of a hair under $16M, and he'll want to get $16M per year on his new deal.

I'm thinking he gave up $16 million for one year to get a long term good contract. Would you take a 4 year-$45M or a 1 year-$16M?
 
I'm thinking he gave up $16 million for one year to get a long term good contract. Would you take a 4 year-$45M or a 1 year-$16M?

I think you left out the one he's after. 4 years for 64 mil. And he'll probably get it! By the way, I just don't think that the Kings are willing to pay Tyreke 11 mil a year. I doubt they'll go over 9 mil a year.
 
I think you left out the one he's after. 4 years for 64 mil. And he'll probably get it! By the way, I just don't think that the Kings are willing to pay Tyreke 11 mil a year. I doubt they'll go over 9 mil a year.

How in the world can we even guess at what the Kings offer Tyreke before the front office is hired? Not picking on you in particular but I'm reading all kinds of posts about "All signs pointing to...". There are no signs yet!

Clean slate here and we have no idea how Vivek and the new front office will value existing talent other than that they highly value Cousins.
 
No one has brought up the buyout option.

If Vivek amnesties Salmons, then buys out Outlaw, that clears up 10.5M in cap room right there.

We're at 40.7M without Reke. However that 40.7 includes Salmons and Outlaw, doesn't include, IT/Douglas/JJ. Do what I said above and our room goes from about 17M this summer to roughly 28M in cap room.
 
I think you left out the one he's after. 4 years for 64 mil. And he'll probably get it! By the way, I just don't think that the Kings are willing to pay Tyreke 11 mil a year. I doubt they'll go over 9 mil a year.

You think Iggy will get D-Wade, Zach Randolph, Derrick Rose and Derron Williams money? Yikes! I run away from that as fast as I can. I understand some of those players have contracts that have some seasons higher than others and such but still!

I cannot see Iggy being worth more than 13 maybe 14. 14M for me is a stretch with Iggy in a small market team. I could see giving Iggy a contract like Marc Gasol where is goes 13M, 14M, 15M, and averages out to around 14M.

I am probably overvaluing Tyreke when I look at similar salaries and such for his CURRENT value. However, I am one that still believes that Tyreke has a ton of talent. A GM has to do what is best for the team finances so I understand if the Kings want to give him 8-9M and he wants 10-11M that he has to walk, especially with Cousins contract to consider.

Yet, if Tyreke and Cousins can be understood as corner-stones and another great player is brought it it could be the difference in playoffs and basement dwelling.

Cousins will probably demand somewhere between Dwight Howard and Zach Randolph money, thus 15M-19M annually. If we can get Cuz and Tyreke combined at 24M, that takes us to about 78M with Salmons and Outlaw, Amnesty Salmons and buy out Outlaw and that drops it down to about 68M below the luxury tax line.

I do not value Tyreke enough to say that if we only have two 9-10+ Million players it has to be him and Cuz. If we can only have two 8-figure salaries on the team then I let Tyreke walk and try to bring in someone else. I highly value what Evans and Cuz can be with good coaching, quality GM work and pieces that fit. BUT, we will have to wait and see I guess.

I would love to have a front office that will at least go to the salary level of an OKC, San Antonio, Detroit, Golden State, etc... Basically, right to the luxury cap would be nice.
 
Note: I unsplit the thread. :p I saw it and thought it would make a great topic on its own outside of this incredibly long free agent discussion but since there's an apparent overlap, I took back what I had done. I'll go back to my knitting. :)
 
Cousins will probably demand somewhere between Dwight Howard and Zach Randolph money, thus 15M-19M annually.

not quite how it works. if the Kings max out Cousins for his second contract, the starting salary would be about 13.6M and, over a span of five years (assuming he receives the franchise tag) averages out to roughly 15.7M.
 
Cousins is nowhere near a max, or franchise player level contract right now.. on or off the floor.. Normally when the trade market for you is other teams looking to take a chance on you for scraps, the talks of bigtime contracts are a little premature.. Hell, he only plays one side of the floor, wildly inconsistently.. Lets see what he does under new tutelage
 
Cousins is nowhere near a max, or franchise player level contract right now.. on or off the floor.. Normally when the trade market for you is other teams looking to take a chance on you for scraps, the talks of bigtime contracts are a little premature.. Hell, he only plays one side of the floor, wildly inconsistently.. Lets see what he does under new tutelage

there were all of six players averaging 17/10 last season. Lee, Horford, Duncan, Howard, Love and Cuz. Love is the only one of those guys younger than 25 and it is pretty obvious that Cousins hasn't even scraped his potential yet. you can have as many reservations as you want about Cuz character, defense, efficiency, whathaveyou, but you can be bloody well sure that somebody is going to throw a max deal at him and the Kings would be incredibly foolish to let him go.
 
Cousins is nowhere near a max, or franchise player level contract right now.. on or off the floor.. Normally when the trade market for you is other teams looking to take a chance on you for scraps, the talks of bigtime contracts are a little premature.. Hell, he only plays one side of the floor, wildly inconsistently.. Lets see what he does under new tutelage

I think a Brooke Lopez type deal should be expected and is completely reasonable.
 
No one has brought up the buyout option.

If Vivek amnesties Salmons, then buys out Outlaw, that clears up 10.5M in cap room right there.

We're at 40.7M without Reke. However that 40.7 includes Salmons and Outlaw, doesn't include, IT/Douglas/JJ. Do what I said above and our room goes from about 17M this summer to roughly 28M in cap room.
Just buying out someone doesn't clear his salary off the cap. Salmons is much useful as a pseudo-expiring. Pairing him with, say, JT you can take back basically every contract you can reasonably trade for. So next year some team trades you their very talented, though overpaid veteran, and for 1 million dollar they are left with useful JT - just like that. Only TPEs are more appealing and there aren't many of that size around.