Draft... Mills, Rubio, Griffin.......

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CaAllDay

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So we are gonna have a top pick this year finally, but with that comes expectations we are not picking in the teens tryin to find that hidden gem, we need a starter immediately or at least in year two. I like Griffin having 3 players in a big man roatation that can actually all contribute is something alotta teams dont have, we could. But say we get the 2, or 3 or 4 pick, i really like patrick mills, i would pick him over rubio. Rubio has played well in international ball, but so has mills and with a team that has way less talent then spain.

sidebar... wonder if petrie tried to get Nocioni, for george hill bowen trade, that would have solved our pg situation.
 
im quite high on mills also but i think his stock will fall considering his recent injury. It would be great if he could fall to the rockets pick and we could scoop him up from there along with Griffin with what is hopefully the first pick
 
You could trade down to take Mills if that's someone you were really after (not sure why though). If you're talking about 1-5 type picks you're looking at Griffin, Rubio (if he's in the draft), Thabeet, Harden, Teague, and Curry...
 
youd be stupid to give up griffin but im looking at filling our PG need later on with our lower pick. Hopefully mills or jennings would be around round then - wishfull thinking some would say
 
Depends on if we get Houston's pick and where it is... I think there is a chance Mills is there with the pick...

I wouldn't be too sad if we didn't get Houston's pick like I said in another thread, we'd just get it next year and save money this year (possibly that could be used on the right FA)
 
Yah his stock is down cause the injury but i really like his game, shoots alotta threes but when ur the best player on a team. Griffin and mills would make me extremely happy. I give mills the edge over rubio, he has some nice youtube flashyiness but i dont think he will pan out to be a all star caliber player.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zfDNT4A8Y



Thats vs the USA redream team, and we wont be facing any teams as good as that.
Heres there lines vs USA

29 min field 7-16, assists 2, steals 3, points 20

Rubios line
28.39 min, field 1-3, assists 3, steals 3, points 6

Rubio played on a silver medal team, now with three NBA current players, Mills has to do alot more. I like rubios game its just i like mills alot better.
 
If Rubio will declare for this draft, IMO we should pick him as our top pick. Then Hope Brackins is still available for the Houston pick. And then use all possible resources to pry Kaman from the Clippers (with Kenny's powerful expiring and a little cap space).

Lineup:

C - Hawes/Kaman
PF - Thompson/Brackins
SF - Nocioni/Greene
SG - Martin/Garcia
PG - Rubio/Udrih

Otherwise, I'll still stick with getting Thabeet, then Maynor(clutch PG) with the Houston pick. And invest the summer for PF like Wilcox ( but for a salary for a backup big).

Lineup:

C - Hawes/Thabeet
PF - Thompson/Wilcox
SF- Nocioni/Greene
SG- Martin/Garcia
PG- Udrih/Maynor

There is one small chance that I might jump on Griffin as our top pick. If he will improve his handle a bit and maybe get close to Danny Granger ability even without the 3pt range. So he can play SF on our team. Then we will have to trade either Greene or Nocioni. He may have to lose some on the defensive end but I think with his youth he can still catch up a bit those faster SFs. But he will surely bail us out our rebounding and lowpost offense.

Then we use the houston pick for Brackins. Then trade Greene plus Kenny's expring for Kaman(yeah I think he'll be real good on Kings uni). And use possible cap space for a vet PG (Sessions maybe)

C - Hawes/Kaman
PF - Thompson/Brackins
SF - Griffin/Nocioni
SG - Martin/Garcia
PG - Udrih/Sessions??
 
KingsCitizen said:
If Rubio will declare for this draft, IMO we should pick him as our top pick. Then Hope Brackins is still available for the Houston pick. And then use all possible resources to pry Kaman from the Clippers (with Kenny's powerful expiring and a little cap space).

Lineup:

C - Hawes/Kaman
PF - Thompson/Brackins
SF - Nocioni/Greene
SG - Martin/Garcia
PG - Rubio/Udrih

Otherwise, I'll still stick with getting Thabeet, then Maynor(clutch PG) with the Houston pick. And invest the summer for PF like Wilcox ( but for a salary for a backup big).

Lineup:

C - Hawes/Thabeet
PF - Thompson/Wilcox
SF- Nocioni/Greene
SG- Martin/Garcia
PG- Udrih/Maynor

There is one small chance that I might jump on Griffin as our top pick. If he will improve his handle a bit and maybe get close to Danny Granger ability even without the 3pt range. So he can play SF on our team. Then we will have to trade either Greene or Nocioni. He may have to lose some on the defensive end but I think with his youth he can still catch up a bit those faster SFs. But he will surely bail us out our rebounding and lowpost offense.

Then we use the houston pick for Brackins. Then trade Greene plus Kenny's expring for Kaman(yeah I think he'll be real good on Kings uni). And use possible cap space for a vet PG (Sessions maybe)

C - Hawes/Kaman
PF - Thompson/Brackins
SF - Griffin/Nocioni
SG - Martin/Garcia
PG - Udrih/Sessions??
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I like maynor as well, and I dont see all 3 guys (lawson, collison and mills) being available when we get our houston pick, so Maynor will defintielty be a guy discussed by Kings management. I think Brackins is my favorite guy for our houston pick. The dude is as versatile as it gets and would help us in a lot of ways even as a rookie off the bench.

I also agree with you that I would most definitely like to try to acquire a guy like Kaman using our K9 contract. Kaman would solve a lot of rebounding problems.

In your last scenario there I dont think Griffin could play the 3 honestly. If we played him there, defenders would be leaving him unguarded for a lot of open outside shots, and doubling on other people. He has great athleticisim and explosion for a PF, but not necessarily compared to a lot of NBA SF's.
 
CaAllDay said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zfDNT4A8Y



Thats vs the USA redream team, and we wont be facing any teams as good as that.
Heres there lines vs USA

29 min field 7-16, assists 2, steals 3, points 20

Rubios line
28.39 min, field 1-3, assists 3, steals 3, points 6

Rubio played on a silver medal team, now with three NBA current players, Mills has to do alot more. I like rubios game its just i like mills alot better.
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Rubio wasn't the starting PG until Calderon got hurt. Then Rubio injured his right wrist at the 5Min mark in the 1st quarter of the Gold Medal game. Injured it so bad, that he had to have surgury.

So, the comparison isn't exactly fair.
 
HighTopKicks said:
Rubio wasn't the starting PG until Calderon got hurt. Then Rubio injured his right wrist at the 5Min mark in the 1st quarter of the Gold Medal game. Injured it so bad, that he had to have surgury.

So, the comparison isn't exactly fair.
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Exactly right. I remember Ricky heading to the Spanish bench shaking his hand in some agony. I can't recall the play, like running into someone off a pick while playing D or something like that. He tried to return but, was ineffective which opened up his spot for Juan Carlos Navarro who went on to have an excellent game in relief. Everyone always wonders what would have happened in that Gold Metal game if Calderon, Rubio and Navarro had all been available and at 100%. For me the bottom line is, Spain stayed with Team USA throughout entire game and was only down by 2 with 5 mins to go - before mostly Kobe and D-Wade took over - 2 of 3 best players in the world.
 
CaAllDay said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zfDNT4A8Y



Thats vs the USA redream team, and we wont be facing any teams as good as that.
Heres there lines vs USA

29 min field 7-16, assists 2, steals 3, points 20

Rubios line
28.39 min, field 1-3, assists 3, steals 3, points 6

Rubio played on a silver medal team, now with three NBA current players, Mills has to do alot more. I like rubios game its just i like mills alot better.
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Are you freaking kidding me?! :confused:

Patty Mills was essentially a go to guy in a pee poor Australian team. He was their ace and they kept going to him throughout the tournament.

Lets put it this way, if Patty Mills was of Spanish origin instead of being Aboriginal, I am not sure he even makes the Spanish team, let alone gets minutes on it. On the other hand Rubio is a regular National team representative and has been for a couple of years now. Massive difference.

Alternatively, if Rubio was on the Boomers roster his stats would be massively inflated.
 
nbrans said:
All I know is that after watching the video in that article there's no way Rubio is facing US college-level competition if that's what constitutes a big game for his team.

I mean, I saw Jerome Moiso in that video. :eek:
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Jerome Moiso is 30 now, but he was a good enough college player to be drafted #11 overall. Even with his age, I'd wager that Jerome Moiso now would be in the top 5% of PF/Cs if he were in college today.

College players are young, inexperienced, amateur, and the talent is diluted - there are 73 schools between the big six conferences alone (ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, Pac 10, SEC) and 347 schools in D-1.

I imagine that most Euroleague teams would crush the bottom half of the major conferences, and beat NCAA final four teams more often than not.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Jerome Moiso is 30 now, but he was a good enough college player to be drafted #11 overall. Even with his age, I'd wager that Jerome Moiso now would be in the top 5% of PF/Cs if he were in college today.

College players are young, inexperienced, amateur, and the talent is diluted - there are 73 schools between the big six conferences alone (ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, Pac 10, SEC) and 347 schools in D-1.

I imagine that most Euroleague teams would crush the bottom half of the major conferences, and beat NCAA final four teams more often than not.
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The only reason Jerome Moiso was drafted #11 is because Rick Pitino is an idiot. He was not that good in college (averaged 13 per game for UCLA) and was drafted on potential and bounced around the NBA to very little effect. The fact that he's on that team as a 30 year old isn't to their credit.

I don't know enough about Euroleague teams to know how they compare to the NCAAs across the board, but the two teams in that video looked really bad.
 
"Remember when Carlos Arroyo lit it up in international play? Just sayin..."

exactly mills as played well in college, reminds me of a quicker delonte west, who has a great all around game.
 
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