Done Deal - Bulls and Kings - Salmons and Miller Traded

[Showtime]

I don't like this deal because of the money and length involved in Nocioni's deal. I don't see what he can do better than John Salmons, and I do see things John does that he doesn't. John comes relatively cheap by the league's standards, and that has two more years at around 11 mil left. Contrast that with Nocioni's 3 (with an option for another) years with 20+ mil left (although it is a declining contract with the money decreasing instead of increasing). So, he's making a few more mil a year for a longer period of time and isn't a better player.

In regards to the other pieces:

Geoff has coveted Gooden and tried to get him before. However, he's an expiring deal, and I doubt the Kings would try to re-sign him. Simmons has moved around a lot and isn't a relevant piece. I haven't seen enough of Diogu to go either way on him as a player.

Overall, if the point was to dump salary, I don't see how this helps. Why not? Because Brad's deal is up after next season anyway, and John is cheap. I don't see why Miller would have to be moved NOW to save money when he could be moved next year in his expiring year, and if not then the team is rid of him because his contract is up anyway. The only reason for this was to save money this year instead of next year. I thought the point of trading a big contract and a quality player was to get something in return to help the future, not the same level of player (Nocioni) who gets paid MORE. I'm left scratching my head after this one.

 

[kingsfan101]

No deal would have been better than this deal. We all wanted a deal to happen, but the right deal. The fact is Brad was a big expiring next year and Salmons is good and signed to a reasonable deal. It seems like a lot of teams were interested in him. It wasn't necessary to dump Salmons with Brad for a short term salary benefit at the expense of the future, unless deals are being made solely with short term financial benefit in mind, which I suspect they are.

Nocioni isn't as good as Salmons and has a worse deal, and he doesn't belong on a rebuilding team. He's Kenny Thomas all over again.

Honestly, barring a brilliant follow-up move that utilizes the extra cap room, I feel like the Kings would have been better off standing pat.

We'll see if there's a follow-up and the plans are incomplete. Otherwise this is just depressing.

Think this sums it up very accurately. This trade was mostly about the Dollar$.

Frankly, I don't blame the Maloofs too much for it. It's easy for fans to demand that the owners spend their money (even when the team is losing money), when the team clearly has no immediate future.

They are certainly to be blamed for messing around earlier, most notably in Rick's firing. However, in this case, I don't blame them too much for trying to save some money.

It shall certainly push back the rebuild though. We won't be able to use Brad's expiring for a major trade, and we shall reduce our cap space in 2010. We can only hope that some of the kids progress quickly, and we get lucky in the draft.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Oh really? Show me where these were offered by the other team.

There has been a few rumored offers from the Nets floating around with Ryan Anderson included in their offer for Salmons/Miller.

I don't think we were going after Boozer to begin with... Marvin Williams and Sessions would have been much better people to go after.... We have room for one of them now I think, but Nocioni kind of plugs in a huge hole - which leads me to believe some sort of deal with Greene is on the horizon...

 

[Vlade4GM]

Hey look! Its another bunch of 6'7" "flexible" tweener forwards! Woohoo!

Okay good, you're alive. We were worried there for a moment.

 

[SacTownKid]

At least now we can maybe make a run at Boozer this summer!

 

[Warhawk]

There has been a few rumored offers from the Nets floating around with Ryan Anderson included in their offer for Salmons/Miller.

No, that was the offer by the Kings, not the other team. Big difference.

Really bugs me when that mistake is made - it is a fabrication of offers available and makes folks more upset....

 

[AleksandarN]

Here I will repost what I said in an earlier post yesterday.

This economy is effecting the NBA more then people think. The credit crunch is also affecting the owners aswell. Just look at NO or even our team. This is a serious situation(how many owners lost millions?) and will affect how trades are being made. There are more teams wanting to shed salary then take on. I would not be surprised if we do not get a deal done or if we do it will be for very little in return.

People who think we could of got a better deal are kidding themselves. Given the the financial troubles that the owners are having with over half of them having to borrow money from the league just to pay their bills it un realistic IMHO that we would have gotten draft picks. Yes we got a bad contract in Andrea but we also clear some cap space this season and considering that Maloofs themselves lost alot of money lately I am not surprised that we made this deal. This was made for financial reasons not just for basketball reasons.

 

[Superman]

Why don't we just cut Gooden right now?

 

[Bricklayer]

Why don't we just cut Gooden right now?

Because believe it or not, Petrie apprently likes Gooden. Has apparently pursued Gooden for years. He is groundbound and mediocre and cannot block a shot, so he's the real deal man.

And if he ends up starting over Spencer or Jason I will scream.

 

[SacTown_King]

Let's trade douby, shelden, and thomas for kobe, lebron and amare.

 

[Kingster]

Because believe it or not, Petrie apprently likes Gooden. Has apparently pursued Gooden for years. He is groundbound and mediocre and cannot block a shot, so he's the real deal man.

And if he ends up starting over Spencer or Jason I will scream.

Oh, I'm just waiting for Natt's response when he's asked who will get the minutes at the power forward position. Just waiting for the waffling ambiguity that we've all come to love. And would it surprise anyone if he gave lip service to play the young guys and then have him come out and give minutes to the new vets? Come on. These are the Kings we're talking about.

 

[nbrans]

Let's trade douby, shelden, and thomas for kobe, lebron and amare.

I'm pretty sure Smills91 already started that trade thread.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

And if he ends up starting over Spencer or Jason I will scream.

I guess it's time to invest in some earplugs - I'll probably hear it from here.

 

[Packt]

I'm not mad. I like Nocioni. He'll be great in the playoffs, just you wait...

 

[Showtime]

Here I will repost what I said in an earlier post yesterday.




People who think we could of got a better deal are kidding themselves. Given the the financial troubles that the owners are having with over half of them having to borrow money from the league just to pay their bills it un realistic IMHO that we would have gotten draft picks. Yes we got a bad contract in Andrea but we also clear some cap space this season and considering that Maloofs themselves lost alot of money lately I am not surprised that we made this deal. This was made for financial reasons not just for basketball reasons.

Again, I could see this point being an issue if Miller's deal was longer, but it wasn't. If they needed to dump Miller's deal, I'm sure he could have been moved in his expiring year next year, and if not, then he would be off the books after next season. This deal only saved them ONE year of Miller's deal.

 

[MoneyMike916]

i'm happy we got rid of miller but uhhhh i wish we got some draft picks .i kinda like nocioni but i havent seen him play lately and what i've been reading it seems like he isn't doing so good.

 

[Aenadin]

Oh really? Show me where these were offered by the other team.

sorry for the late reply here is that info i read


"The New Jersey Nets also talked to the Kings about a deal that would send Miller and Salmons to the Nets for Ryan Anderson, Stromile Swift, Eduardo Najera and Trenton Hassell, an Eastern Conference official said."

from yahoo sports

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

This deal is completely financial. It also makes us a serious player in the 2009 Free Agent market, so we basically used John Salmons to free up some capspace THIS summer rather than in 2010.

According to Shamsports:

Our cap figure this year is at 69.99 million

Subtract SAR's 6.2M cap figure and it is at 63.79 M

Subtract BJax (6.49M) and Shelden (3.4M) expiring deals and it is at 53.9M

Mikki Moore has a prenegotiated buyout at 2M, leaving you with 50.11 M

Subtract Brad Miller's deal (11.38M) and Salmons' deal (5.1M) and you're left with 33.63M

Nocioni will be the only guy still on the cap next year, so you add his 8M contract and your final figure is 41.63M

Just as a reference point, last year's Salary Cap was 58.68M. 17M of capspace, and that without regarding that the NBA raises the Salary Cap each year.

So, in conclusion, this is our summer to sign a big name free agent. Especially without the kind of competition you will get in 2010. Either the Maloofs sit on that cap number, fat and happy, or they let Geoff go after a Free Agent (hopefully more along the lines of Ramon Sessions or Marvin Williams, rather than the Odom or Bibby types).

 

[Bricklayer]

i'm happy we got rid of miller but uhhhh i wish we got some draft picks .i kinda like nocioni but i havent seen him play lately and what i've been reading it seems like he isn't doing so good.

His shooting percentages have been slipping for years now, but its not as if he's a shell. He's just a tweener. Caught between SF and PF, between starter and bencher.

 

[AleksandarN]

Again, I could see this point being an issue if Miller's deal was longer, but it wasn't. If they needed to dump Miller's deal, I'm sure he could have been moved in his expiring year next year, and if not, then he would be off the books after next season. This deal only saved them ONE year of Miller's deal.

Yes but it saves over 10 million this coming year. That is 10 million dollars. It is a big difference

 

[nbrans]

This deal is completely financial. It also makes us a serious player in the 2009 Free Agent market, so we basically used John Salmons to free up some capspace THIS summer rather than in 2010.

According to Shamsports:

Our cap figure this year is at 69.99 million

Subtract SAR's 6.2M cap figure and it is at 63.79 M

Subtract BJax (6.49M) and Shelden (3.4M) expiring deals and it is at 53.9M

Mikki Moore has a prenegotiated buyout at 2M, leaving you with 50.11 M

Subtract Brad Miller's deal (11.38M) and Salmons' deal (5.1M) and you're left with 33.63M

Nocioni will be the only guy still on the cap next year, so you add his 8M contract and your final figure is 41.63M

Just as a reference point, last year's Salary Cap was 58.68M. 17M of capspace, and that without regarding that the NBA raises the Salary Cap each year.

So, in conclusion, this is our summer to sign a big name free agent. Especially without the kind of competition you will get in 2010. Either the Maloofs sit on that cap number, fat and happy, or they let Geoff go after a Free Agent (hopefully more along the lines of Ramon Sessions or Marvin Williams, rather than the Odom or Bibby types).

This isn't right, you're not factoring in things like Garcia's extension and everyone's raises from the previous year. Right now we have about $46 milllion committed assuming no one is re-signed and everyone is renounced. Add in the two draft picks and it's about $50 million.

So depending on where the cap is set, it could be anywhere from $6-8 million. Not really much more than the MLE, but possibly useful in absorbing salary in exchange for draft picks.

 

[Packt]

This deal is completely financial. It also makes us a serious player in the 2009 Free Agent market, so we basically used John Salmons to free up some capspace THIS summer rather than in 2010.

According to Shamsports:

Our cap figure this year is at 69.99 million

Subtract SAR's 6.2M cap figure and it is at 63.79 M

Subtract BJax (6.49M) and Shelden (3.4M) expiring deals and it is at 53.9M

Mikki Moore has a prenegotiated buyout at 2M, leaving you with 50.11 M

Subtract Brad Miller's deal (11.38M) and Salmons' deal (5.1M) and you're left with 33.63M

Nocioni will be the only guy still on the cap next year, so you add his 8M contract and your final figure is 41.63M

Just as a reference point, last year's Salary Cap was 58.68M. 17M of capspace, and that without regarding that the NBA raises the Salary Cap each year.

So, in conclusion, this is our summer to sign a big name free agent. Especially without the kind of competition you will get in 2010. Either the Maloofs sit on that cap number, fat and happy, or they let Geoff go after a Free Agent (hopefully more along the lines of Ramon Sessions or Marvin Williams, rather than the Odom or Bibby types).

Don't think that takes Garcia's new deal into account. Or does it?

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

This isn't right, you're not factoring in things like Garcia's extension and everyone's raises from the previous year. Right now we have about $46 milllion committed assuming no one is re-signed and everyone is renounced. Add in the two draft picks and it's about $50 million.

So depending on where the cap is set, it could be anywhere from $6-8 million. Not really much more than the MLE, but possibly useful in absorbing salary in exchange for draft picks.

Garcia's extension counts on this year's cap? Ok, that makes more sense.

 

[nbrans]

Garcia's extension counts on this year's cap? Ok, that makes more sense.

It's next year's cap that counts in free agency.

 

[NewMonkey]

Because believe it or not, Petrie apprently likes Gooden. Has apparently pursued Gooden for years. He is groundbound and mediocre and cannot block a shot, so he's the real deal man.

And if he ends up starting over Spencer or Jason I will scream.

Just wait until Petrie offers Gooden the MLE next year after being SO PRODUCTIVE in all those minutes he'll play in the next two months.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

This isn't right, you're not factoring in things like Garcia's extension and everyone's raises from the previous year. Right now we have about $46 milllion committed assuming no one is re-signed and everyone is renounced. Add in the two draft picks and it's about $50 million.

So depending on where the cap is set, it could be anywhere from $6-8 million. Not really much more than the MLE, but possibly useful in absorbing salary in exchange for draft picks.

$46M is right if Mikki's buyout counts against the cap. I have no idea, but I might imagine that a buyout wouldn't count - in that case we'd get another $2M in space. Either way, somewhere between $6-10M, which might be enough to pry Sessions away from Milwaukee, but I don't imagine we could do much else with it...Certainly not Boozer, probably not Hedo...

 

[bloom]

Because believe it or not, Petrie apprently likes Gooden. Has apparently pursued Gooden for years. He is groundbound and mediocre and cannot block a shot, so he's the real deal man.

And if he ends up starting over Spencer or Jason I will scream.

Knowing Natt, I'm pretty sure he will. We can scream together (if I end up watching the game).

We got nothing, we traded for a guy who has another 4 years to go, we didn’t even get 1 draft pick or a young guy. There’s nobody to build with.

There’s no words that describe this pathetic trade. I’m upset, sad and beyond discouraged in our owners and organization (and that’s putting it lightly). If this organization’s goal is to get the number 1 pick for the next 4 years then they’re doing everything in their power to do that. If this is a pure financial move then I’m sure there’s going to move fans that also use this time to save cash.

I hope somehow I can stomach to continue to support this team because I’m pissed and completely sick of what went down. The thing that I feared just came to reality. If I knew this was going to happen I wish we just sat on our hands.

I’m surprised why other teams didn’t jump on, I’m sure we could have found a deal that could have screwed us more.

Sorry for my rant.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just wait until Petrie offers Gooden the MLE next year after being SO PRODUCTIVE in all those minutes he'll play in the next two months.

Do you want me to slap you?

 

[wonjaeyou]

You know, I've been trying to convience myself that this is okay trade. Don't get mad.
But more I think of it, more I get pissed off. With Miller and Salmons at least we had 2010 plan. Now what? With Nocioni and Beno's worst contracts of whole league, we won't get anything done till 2013. Unless something happens soon, I won't be watching Kings games. I'm dead serious.

 

[Showtime]

They aren't raising the cap.