Diogu or McCants - which ONE to resign?

Diogu or McCants? Who would you resign?

  • Diogu

    Votes: 25 42.4%

  • McCants

    Votes: 10 16.9%

  • Neither one

    Votes: 24 40.7%
  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
PurpleHaze

PurpleHaze

All-Star
Which one would you rather have for next season, assuming the contract is reasonable. It also does not factor in many variables like who the Kings get with their 3 upcoming draft picks, etc.
 
I went with Ike. I havent really liked what I've seen from McCants. Chucker. Might as well stick with Greene as he's a taller and younger chucker.

Plus Ike gets props for BEASTIN tonight.



Ideally we'd get neither and sign Sessions though :p


edit: oops...I cant believe I missed the neither option. Oh well, thats what happens when you watch TV and surf the web on your laptop at the same time
 
Last edited:
Excellent poll idea...im not sure who to go with. I want to go with Ike, but i don't want to be ignorant of what McCants has done...however i havne't seen things i dont like about Ike, and therer are alot of things i don't like about McCants, so i have to say Ike is my man.
 
I went with Diogu too. He should be quite a bit cheaper than McCants plus there's something about "the chuckers" attitude at least for most of his NBA career that seems a bit risky. Additionally, his name Mc-CANTS is rather negative - oh, I'm kidding! Could say the same about Andres NO-cioni or Be-NO Udrih:D:eek:
 
McCants is the much more accomplished player, although even so he's a borderline case for signing. you move Kevin, then its yes. Otherwise minutes are tough.

On the other hand the next Sacramento Kings fan to advocate blowing capspace on a 6'8" PF should be beaten to death with a Kenny Thomas blow up doll.
 
BTW, I voted neither because they have one thing in common - They are NOT what this team needs in the future.

If I absolutely had to choose, I would take McCants because I've liked him since College.
 
Bricklayer said:
McCants is the much more accomplished player, although even so he's a borderline case for signing. you move Kevin, then its yes. Otherwise minutes are tough.

On the other hand the next Sacramento Kings fan to advocate blowing capspace on a 6'8" PF should be beaten to death with a Kenny Thomas blow up doll.
Click to expand...

Yes but... and I know this is hard to take as we're all similarly traumatized... Ike Diogu is not Kenny Thomas. Nor would anyone in their right mind give him a $50 million contract. We're talking about $2-3 million a year for 2 or 3 years at the most. That's hardly franchise crippling.
 
I dont want to re-sign either one... their both just avg or below avg.
 
Since I suspect that around minimum is what we'll be willing to pay, I'd be okay with either of them, assuming they'd be willing to play for that. If not, no biggie. I'd rather let a couple of decent bench players go than have another Jerome James sort of contract around the place.
 
hrdboild said:
Yes but... and I know this is hard to take as we're all similarly traumatized... Ike Diogu is not Kenny Thomas. Nor would anyone in their right mind give him a $50 million contract. We're talking about $2-3 million a year for 2 or 3 years at the most. That's hardly franchise crippling.
Click to expand...


You are right that Ike Diogu is not Kenny Thomas. The scary thing is that Kenny Thomas was far more accomplished back in his prime.

I think most of the lingering Ike Diogu fad, tonight's off the wall outburst aside, really goes back to people getting too high on and still remembering an undersized guy for his college production. Tonight was very impressive. If he could do anything remotely like tonight on any sort of consistent basis, he probably would have already been doing it. One of the reaons I thougth we'd play him after we got him to find out -- if he's doing this for the last two months at least there would be an argument. But instead we shortened the rotaion, smallballed, wasted time with Booth. And now we have one ridiculous aberration from a player literally playing for his NBA life. He could easily be off to Europe next year. You can't throw guaranteed money at a uy because he was good in college and one had a good game for you.
 
Last edited:
sactownfan said:
I dont want to re-sign either one... their both just avg or below avg.
Click to expand...

I appreciate your opinion, but surely you realize that every team has average or below average players that sit at the end of the bench where currently players like Calvin Booth and Cedric Simmons sit - neither one of them with a prayer of getting a new contract from the Kings.
 
Bricklayer said:
On the other hand the next Sacramento Kings fan to advocate blowing capspace on a 6'8" PF should be beaten to death with a Kenny Thomas blow up doll.
Click to expand...
Since when is Kenny Thomas as big as Ike? Height be damned, if you are that wide and strong, and can work on Nene like that, then you can be effective. Just ask Barkley.
 
Bricklayer said:
You are right that Ike Diogu is not Kenny Thomas. The scary thing is that Kenny Thomas was far more accomplished back in his prime.

I think most of the lingering Ike Diogu fad, tonight's off the wall outburst aside, really goes back to people getting too high on and still remembering an undersized guy for his college production. Tonight was very impressive. If he could do anything remotely like tonight on any sort of consistent basis, he probably would have already been doing it. One of the reaons I thougth we'd play him after we got him to find out -- if he's doing this for the last two months at least there would be an argument. But instead we shortened the rotaion, smallballed, wasted time with Booth. And now we have one ridiculous aberration from a player literally playing for his NBA life. He could easily be off to Europe next year. You can't throw guaranteed money at a uy because he was good in college and one had a good game for you.
Click to expand...
Here's a question:

If the kings don't get the pick they want, and end up not getting Blake or Thabby, then it's clear they still need some help up front because a Hawes/JT lineup with no bench isn't going to get it done, and Donte and Noc aren't PF's. And I don't see any good reserve bigs on the market, so Ike getting a small deal might be good for the kings if they end up drafting Rubio or another perimeter player. No?
 
Bricklayer said:
You are right that Ike Diogu is not Kenny Thomas. The scary thing is that Kenny Thomas was far more accomplished back in his prime.

I think most of the lingering Ike Diogu fad, tonight's off the wall outburst aside, really goes back to people getting too high on and still remembering an undersized guy for his college production. Tonight was very impressive. If he could do anything remotely like tonight on any sort of consistent basis, he probably would have already been doing it. One of the reaons I thougth we'd play him after we got him to find out -- if he's doing this for the last two months at least there would be an argument. But instead we shortened the rotaion, smallballed, wasted time with Booth. And now we have one ridiculous aberration from a player literally playing for his NBA life. He could easily be off to Europe next year. You can't throw guaranteed money at a uy because he was good in college and one had a good game for you.
Click to expand...

The problem with Kenny Thomas, at least at first, was his contract and his attitude -- not his play. He was a pretty good player for us for awhile. The kind of player you would like to have on your team if he's making 2 or 3 million and not 7 or 8 million. Then he got pushed back to make room for Shareef and he forgot how to play basketball. Even in his prime he wasn't the type of post presence Diogu is already.

But we could go back and forth like this forever, really. I don't like the idea of undersized power forwards any more than you do, but I do like Ike Diogu when I've seen him play. I thought he was worth a look a month ago, but eventually I just gave up. Now the guy finally get's a chance to play (for whatever reason) and (shock) he's actually pretty good. That's what makes it so frustrating. I know he's playing for a contract, I know he's been buried on three different team's benches for a year-- but he's always going to be just potential until someone let's him play. There is something of a precedent for this on the Kings, sadly. Would Gerald Wallace ever be the player he is today if an expansion team doesn't come along and give him 30 minutes per game because they don't have any other options? I doubt it. What if Bonzi takes the contract and Kevin is buried on the bench for 4 more years? Do we bother to re-sign him?

And I can't for the life of me figure out why Nocioni is playing PF for 20 minutes game after game while Diogu sits there waiting for a call. I suppose it's for the best, really, in terms of lottery potential -- but then wouldn't we be better off knowing we had a player there in addition to whoever we get in the draft? Now we're on the awkward position of not knowing whether we have someone worth keeping or not. This team right now needs every decent player it can scrape up.
 
Are you kidding me on the number of votes for Ike?

Its just one game guys. 30 pts and 10 boards one game and 5 pts average the last 400. McCants has been somewhat consistent, who seems like a tough shooter that the Kings could decently have. Tyler Hansbourough would probably be a better player than Ike coming out of draft....;)
 
Both have real flaws for teams who want to win. Both fit negative stereotypes of tweeners--Diogu is a groundbound undersized PF with scoring skills, while McCants is more or less a combo guard gunning scorer. McCants has a more proven resume (sheerly because combo guards do need to score in order to stay in the league), but at the end of the day his stuff, besides his ability to physically impose his will offensively/defensively at times, is just rather ordinary--he is what he is five years from now, just that his points will be proportional to the minutes he gets. As for Diogu, he shows flashes of some brilliance here and there with very high scoring games on great field goal percentages, but you have to wonder if his conditioning/work ethic is up to par if he's being tossed around the league like that--anyhow, his lack of height/athleticism combination and lack of defense doesn't endear him to anyone, that's for sure. But I do like Diogu better--because high efficiency, high game scoring in flashes to me is worth more than a consistent commonplace scoring resume. But I wouldn't mind if both of them leave at the end of the day.
 
Showtime said:
Here's a question:

If the kings don't get the pick they want, and end up not getting Blake or Thabby, then it's clear they still need some help up front because a Hawes/JT lineup with no bench isn't going to get it done, and Donte and Noc aren't PF's. And I don't see any good reserve bigs on the market, so Ike getting a small deal might be good for the kings if they end up drafting Rubio or another perimeter player. No?
Click to expand...

I believe that Ike & McCants are both in the 4th yr of their rookie contracts. The CBA requires that the Kings make a Qualifying Offer to both or they become UFA's. The minimum offer is 30% more than their 4th yr contract. Ike's offer would have to be $3.9M and McCants is $3.6M. Without the offer the Kings have no rights to either player, and they can go and sign anywhere without the Kings having a right to match the offer.

In your senario, where the Kings don't get Griffin or Thabeet, but take a PG with the 1st pick, then Ike may be better than any big available with the Houston pick. But, then he'd have to be since he's going to cost you $3M more than the 24th draft pick. Still the Qualifying Offer is only for 1yr, & might be worth the gamble.
 
McCants is a better player by far outa the 2 but because Ike is coming off a possible career game everyone wants Ike???

Lets try and sign good players. NO MORE BENOS! NO MORE THOMAS'S! even if both these these players are cheaper
 
Please no. Not either of these guys. Ike isn't the next Carlos Boozer, and McCants isn't the next Tracy McGrady. Let em go find fortune elsewhere, good luck to them. They're just not what the Kings need moving forward, that is, unless you want to be a perenial 25 win team.
 
HighTopKicks said:
I believe that Ike & McCants are both in the 4th yr of their rookie contracts. The CBA requires that the Kings make a Qualifying Offer to both or they become UFA's. The minimum offer is 30% more than their 4th yr contract. Ike's offer would have to be $3.9M and McCants is $3.6M. Without the offer the Kings have no rights to either player, and they can go and sign anywhere without the Kings having a right to match the offer.

In your senario, where the Kings don't get Griffin or Thabeet, but take a PG with the 1st pick, then Ike may be better than any big available with the Houston pick. But, then he'd have to be since he's going to cost you $3M more than the 24th draft pick. Still the Qualifying Offer is only for 1yr, & might be worth the gamble.
Click to expand...
They don't have to make that qualifying offer to keep him. I don't see any team giving him that money, so I'm sure that if the Kings don't keep his rights, they could still offer him a competitive deal when he becomes a UFA.
 
sactownfan said:
McCants is a better player by far outa the 2 but because Ike is coming off a possible career game everyone wants Ike???

Lets try and sign good players. NO MORE BENOS! NO MORE THOMAS'S! even if both these these players are cheaper
Click to expand...

Diogu has played better than McCants for the last few games that he's played, not just the Denver game.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top