RaY Z
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love this video! my favourtie fighting montage video... love how bradley gets owned in every clip he's in...
love the artest vs. raja bell bit too...
[DEN/NYK] Brawl in the Garden
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love the artest vs. raja bell bit too...
vladetomiller
Bench
Why the hell was carmelo in the game with a minute to go and up by 20 points. They got a rebound, they could have used up the play clock and taken a shot at end of the clock, not a fast break for a dunk. Stupid move by the nugs, though it is not a written rule, its just common sense that you dont score on an opponent who is down and out of the game.
That will lead to this, hope they give melo a 30 game suspension, that punch was not necessary when all were done and out. Stupid stupid move and i dont think it was that wrong what the knicks did, they will get suspended too but not the level that melo would get.
That will lead to this, hope they give melo a 30 game suspension, that punch was not necessary when all were done and out. Stupid stupid move and i dont think it was that wrong what the knicks did, they will get suspended too but not the level that melo would get.
supamari0
Bench
vladetomiller
Bench
You're ok with what the Knicks did...
YES
when you are down 20 with a minute to go and the other team is trying to go on a fast break with 2 secs off the shot clock, i sure will bring that guy down, and I will bring him down real hard. There is a way you are supposed to play the game and you have to show respect to the opponent even if you are killing them on the scoreboard.
Lots of one sided games in the league are closer in the scoreboard in the end cos of that, the team with the lead plays down the shot clock and takes some last second shot and they do that only when they know that the other team is definitely not going to win.
Knicks had pulled their starters out (doesnt make a difference for the knicks but still ) and karl should have known better. Same thing with the team with the ball in the last second of a game with the game already decided, you dont take a shot unless it is absolutely needed, else you will see a flagrant foul.
jacobdrj
Bench
I agree, but it isn't about respect for the other team, it is about not having happen what happened. You don't run the score, because people will take it personally, and perhaps will do that.
Nuggets will think twice before playing them now. It may not ultimately matter, but there will be some hesitation where before there was none.
Immagine if this had happened in the 97/98 finals... whew!
Nuggets will think twice before playing them now. It may not ultimately matter, but there will be some hesitation where before there was none.
Immagine if this had happened in the 97/98 finals... whew!
supamari0
Bench
Oh good God, you're actually trying to rationalize this nonsense. So violence is ok in some situations... Give me a break. I suppose Miami was ok in starting a brawl with FIU because you don't talk trash in our house.
And of all teams, the KNICKS are talking about integrity. This is the same team in which Nate Robinson was cocky enough to try a dunk by bouncing the ball off the floor and throwing it down (only to mess up badly) and then having Robinson have the audicaity to say that he'd do it again if they're winning by 20. (Way to show sportsmanship by promising to show up the other team if you're winning by 20)
Yes, Denver shouldn't have been running up the score but that doesn't make violence OK. Violence is still violence and is always wrong, end of story.
Also, Mardy Collins is a punk. He flagrantly fouled a guy the previous game against Indiana (except he was a bench player). And Nate Robinson has a history of picking fights for no reason. What in the world was he doing clawing at JR Smith? It's one thing if it's between JR and Collins but Robinson was a moron trying to start something.
And here's the worst part, after the game Thomas and his players act like what they did was ok, that somehow he was promoting the integrity of the game. Bull****, Thomas played on a Pistons team that was notorious for picking fights and playing rough. He played on a team that showed very little regard for "the game" and now we're seeing that same attitude in this Knicks team. At least Denver's players who were attacked first, weren't trying to justify this nonsense after the game. They all said no comment and moved on which is what Isiah and his players should've been doing.
The Knicks are a horrible blotch on the NBA for its reckless spending, horrific personnel moves, and now pathetic behavior. Both teams were wrong and all players involved deserve punishments but at least Denver was classy enough to not make something of this after the game and actually blame the other team for the fight. (even though the Knicks instigated it.)
Jechtsphere
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I'd see no problem with what melo did if he was the one that got taken down but he was just waiting for his oppurtunity to hit mardy, he just worked his way up until he was close enough to get a hit.
But Mardy deserved a smack in the face when you grab a guy by the neck and throw him to the ground, that's just being a dirty punk.
Then Robinson had to get into it and escalate even more, dumb moves by all.
But Mardy deserved a smack in the face when you grab a guy by the neck and throw him to the ground, that's just being a dirty punk.
Then Robinson had to get into it and escalate even more, dumb moves by all.
vladetomiller
Bench
Your question was about what the knicks did during the play and I said YES. I dont agree with what the other knicks players did or what they did after the game. Thats different.
Again, if any team, that includes a team that I might support, any team that runs up the score will have to face that. Its just one of those un written rules and respect for the game and the opponent. You might lose a playoff series, but after the series is over, go over congradulate the other team and move on with fishing. If you win the series, go over shake hands with the other team and move on.
Simple things make the game simple, you are up 20 with a minute to go, play the game it is supposed to be played and dont rub it in. I am not a knicks fan and I have as much pleasure watching them rot in the bottom of the league and I have lots of issues with the owner and thomas for the way they have been spending and putting the team together. In fact I am happy that they spent so much on alan houston, marbury, jerome james and francis that they cant get out of the hole. I am happy that larry brown couldnt turn this around and he got a bonus for getting fired.
I never liked the pistons and their thug defense and I wouldnt like that if even my team did that.
But when all said and done, even the softest team would clothesline a player trying to run up the score, I was happy when Ricky Davis got punished for trying to rebound on his own basket to get a trip double. At the end of the day, you have to respect the game and opponent.
Elise10
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It's going to look pre-meditated on the part of the Knicks:
One reporter Chris Sheridan of ESPN said that he heard Isiah Thomas tell Carmelo Anthony "Don't step nowhere near the lane" insinuating that he was going to be hit if he did.
If so....then what fine should Thomas get for doing so.
One reporter Chris Sheridan of ESPN said that he heard Isiah Thomas tell Carmelo Anthony "Don't step nowhere near the lane" insinuating that he was going to be hit if he did.
If so....then what fine should Thomas get for doing so.
Packt
Starter
BS!
If you're getting your butt kicked, that's no one's problem but yours. You want to stop the bleeding, how about you hold the ball and play the shotclock. Part of good sportsmanship is to suck it up even when you're losing.
I don't care about the Nuggets running the score up, or not abiding to some mercy rule, but Melo and company shouldn't have been out there. The risk of injury is too high, and seeing that those guys will be suspended, this is all on George Karl. If I was a Nuggets fan, I'd be very upset at Karl.
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they need to send a message
Why are professional sports allowing this to happen. In addition to what ever the NBA does to the players, there should be several players charged with assault. Kids look up these people and think that they can do this behavior and not get in trouble.. Blatant disrespect to everyone watching. Why not make example of people and get rid of these idiots
Why are professional sports allowing this to happen. In addition to what ever the NBA does to the players, there should be several players charged with assault. Kids look up these people and think that they can do this behavior and not get in trouble.. Blatant disrespect to everyone watching. Why not make example of people and get rid of these idiots
Maybe parents should be the ones their kids look up to and not NBA players. Don't get me wrong it was stupid to brawl but you're acting like they should get banned or something. I saw worse fights in 3rd grade.
Lamar_Odom
Bench
Anthony sucker punched a Knick player and like a whimp, runs away after connecting.
Anthony: If you want to be a tough guy, be a tough guy but don't act like it when you're not. You'll only display your true self... you're a sissy.
vladetomiller
Bench
BS
I will watch for your reaction when the kings are losing and losing big and the other team goes for more.
In fact bibby took exception to the suns taking too many threes after the previous game was decided and said he was going to remember that. Too bad he couldnt do anything about it but he was really pissed off. Thats the way the game is when you have the other team clearly beat dont rub it in, you could chose to play the other way but be prepared to pay the price.
BS!
Hey, this is fun! Everybody do it!
Hey, this is fun! Everybody do it!
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
vladetomiller
Bench
I don't agree with you often, LO. But, after watching the news showing Melo's punch, this is one of those times when I'm on the same page.
Carmelo Anthony deserves to sit out a bunch of games for such a pathetic display.
Lamar_Odom
Bench
Huh? Denver shouldn't have been running the score? There was still time, it was their jobs to score. The only time you don't score is when the game has been won, the winning team in possession of the basketball in the last 24 seconds of the game. There have been bigger blowout games than that game but it didn't end up in a brawl, or the home team crying foul because the were being humiliated in front of their crowd.
If the Knicks will get bent ouf of shape by being trashed and routed, maybe they should be men enough to play basketball instead of resorting to plays that eventually led to a brawl. The Knicks cried like they were the ones offended but they fail to acknowledge the fact that they were outclassed. They cried like little kids calling mama. That's as pathetic as it gets.
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Gargamel
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That's because George Karl is a **** too.*
* Altho encouraging a hack is a separate level of dirty and, incidentally, why no one but Pistons fans and those with the highest of morals were outraged at Karl Malone for giving Isiah 40 stitches. Playing tit-for-tat will come back to bite you at times.
** I am neither a Piston fan nor someone with the highest of morals and if Isiah wants to play tit-for-tat, I make a request to actually follow thru on your threats to Bruce Bowen. Dre Miller?!? C'mon, man....
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There was NO reason whatsoever for Denver to have their starters on the court. None, nada, zip, zero. If it had been their scrubs, running up the score then it was scrub v. scrub and no one cares. But, when you've already thrown in the towel, taken out your starters, and the visiting team just wants to rub salt in the wounds, that plain out sucks.
This game used to have a lot more sportsmanship to it. As time wound down in a blowout, once a team tossed in the towel by removing their starters from the court, the other team did likewise.
I am really disgusted with he total LACK of sportsmanship shown today, not only by some players but by coaches like George Karl. I think it will be poetic justice if his entire starting five is hit with 5-game suspensions.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
I would laugh my "you know what" off. Hey, can our Kings beat a "starter-less" Nuggets team on Friday?
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AriesMar27
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thank you....
atleast one other person saw carmelo do a hit and run... like a little punk.... camby was grabbing melos jersey as he tried to run away.... i hope he misses 15-20 games... he deserves more but that wont happen... he had nothing to do with the original altercation.....
nate robinson needs to miss 5-10 games as well for trying to escalate the situation... little buster.... wont make a diiference since hes a scrub and the team sucks.... but still... little buster....
Packt
Starter
You don't need to wait, i'll just tell you right now that I wouldn't care. It wouldn't be anymore upseting than getting the L itself.
You wouldn't care if the Kings threw in the towel, put the end of the bench on the court and the opposing team continued to run up the score with their starters?
Wow...just wow.
Sorry, but I think a blatant display of poor sportsmanship like that is about the biggest disrespect there is. And I'm not one who usually says anything about "respect" or "dissing" someone, etc.
My mockery of the "BS war" aside, I agree with Lamar_Odom: if you don't want to have the score run up on you, play defense. I might be concerned with sportsmanship if this were the Olympics or college, but these guys are paid athletes, so I don't exactly consider sportsmanship to be paramount.
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