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jdbraver
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Do not want Lin. Way overpaid...
Deal with Houston for Asik?
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Do not want Lin. Way overpaid...
Entity
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uhm Thornton would be going to chicago not houston.
Mass
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Lin will be overpaid in 2014/15, just for one year. He will be a big expiring contract that year, so we should be able to move it. Same thing for Asik. They will make $30 million combined in 2014/15, and right now I don't care about overpaying. If it means we could get a defensive big, I would take Lin as well.
Hoovtrain
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http://m.basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228685/rockets-prepared-to-keep-asik-lin
Looks like it is a moot point anyway. Not that I had any faith they would go after him
Looks like it is a moot point anyway. Not that I had any faith they would go after him
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I wouldn't put too much reliance in such a sketchy report, especially if Asik has actually said he wants out. Coiuld easily just be the standrard let's get leverage tactic so people don't lowball them. Mind you if I were running the Rockets I wouldn't be looking to move them -- I'd give you 48 min of defense/rebounding hell with Dwight and Asik.
jalfa
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regardless, you can't include Hayes, Jimmer and Thornton into a trade package and expect positive value in return. no team in the league is going to want to touch Hayes' contract and all positive value Jimmer and Thornton might (might!) have had is negated by the fact that everyone knows we have to get rid of some guards, unless we want to run some all guards lineups.
Hoovtrain
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True, definitely could be a leverage ploy. The only problem with those 2 paired together is that I don't think their offensive skill sets (or lack of) are condusive to one another. I really hope the Kings make at least some effort to pry him away.
LPKingsFan
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Josh Smith is going to Detroit apparently, which takes away Atlanta as an Asik option if they were to do a sign and trade for Smith.
jalfa
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praise the lord! now quick, somebody sign Ellis and Jennings!
Stop that. It might happen.
jalfa
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somebody other than us! somebody other than us!!!
KingsFanGER
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Why should they trade Asik. The combination of Howard+Asik will make it extremely difficult to score on the Rockets out of the low-post or via penetration. If they need to go small, cause the opponent focuses on a fast-paced-offense they can play a line up like Lin/Harden/Cisko/Parsons/Howard and use Asik as an insurance if Howard gets in foul trouble. And if they need a additional, tall, floor spacer, they can add Motiejunas to the lineup too.
Outside of salary-cap issues, which i m not really able to judge, i doesnt make much sense trading away Asik for guys like Patterson or JT, cause the Rockets still can play DMO or Terrence Jones, if they need additional big-man-minutes.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I would be severely tempted to not, but then I ironically have a big man fetish.
The main argument why they will is that a) Asik doesn't want to be there behind Howard; b) Asik and Howard really can't play together much, and you didn't throw the max at Howard to play him at PF where he might not be as comfortable; c) they lack a quality PF, and Asik might be the key to them getting one; and d) Asik's contract will explode in the future, and if you ever want to be abel to avoid paying $15mil to be a bencher you need to move him now while he still has major start's minutes/numbers attached to his name, not 16min a night of backup work. IN shot he may be a luxury they can't really afford, and the key to them balancing their roster.
KingsFanGER
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Maybe they need to add a PF next to Howard, but is JT or Patterson really a big upgrade over DMO? Like many european players he lacks the toughness and physicality right now, but i expect him to take a step forward next season. Guess if the Rockets decide to trade Asik they might find a better solution than Patterson or JT.
Right now i m really pessimistic heading into the next season.
jalfa
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that's the worry. I thought it was more likely to get Asik when we still had the capspace to do something like IT+2nd rounder for him. it's why the Landry signing doesn't look all that good to me (that and the fact that he doesn't fit with Cousins and duplicates skill sets we already have).
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
that I don't know. They gave up on DMo last year several times, and they no doubt tried to pitch Howard on contending right now, which would suggest a more NBA ready/solid vet than DMo.
I think the larger issue is just that Asik blew up last year. If were were after him it wouldn't just be Patterson or JT straight up.
Entity
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couldn't be much more though. they can't take on alot of salary now.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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Our team has some nice value players that could make sense for the Rockets. The reason I'm so obsessed with this potential deal is because it DOES make sense for both teams.
If Jimmer could crack the Rockets rotation he would be wide open all the time. He could be a good get for them. They like Beverly a alot, but if we need to take Lin to take Asik then IT's contract and skill set makes alot of sense for them as well. I'd throw half out roster at them for Asik and I'd even take Lin to get it done.
If Jimmer could crack the Rockets rotation he would be wide open all the time. He could be a good get for them. They like Beverly a alot, but if we need to take Lin to take Asik then IT's contract and skill set makes alot of sense for them as well. I'd throw half out roster at them for Asik and I'd even take Lin to get it done.
Entity
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Lin and asik combined is near 17mil this year and next year. we would have to send JT and Hayes and Jimmer. and would still have 4 pg's on the team. one making 8 mil a year that nobody wants for the next 2 years. no I wouldn't at all get involved in a deal for lin. the we would have no cap space to absorb a SF contract in a trade and we just lost 3 tradeable pieces. we could keep everybody and go after Dalembert offering around 9 mil a year. now we could amnesty Salmons but as it stands we could use him as a fail safe because to get the SF we probably have to trade a wink (thornton) and Salmons would be needed as a backup at SG/SF unless you want to use one of the pgs backing up sg and outlaw the 2nd SF
jalfa
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if they get rid of Lin entirely, they're left with only Beverly as their PG, with little to no FA options left. IT might be of interest to them as a backup point guard. possibly. I'll freely admit that it's graspin at straws a bit, but IT with his marginal salary and okayish production is probably the most sensible thing we could offer them.
Entity
Hall of Famer
very true. only problem is i value IT more so than Jimmer. I'd have to see mccallum play a bit in summer league though to better guage him.
jalfa
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well, so would Houston, I suppose. it's not like they're blind or anything, at this point pretty much the whole league knows that Jimmer is a terrible bust. personally, I'm not stopping at anything short of McLemore or Cuz to get Asik on this team and I won't even think twice about giving them IT.
roasthawg
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This would be the only trade that had a slight chance of working imo.
Entity
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oh yeah i'm not against it. even with Asik in we would still need to move jt or hayes
jalfa
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well, the Pacers really could use a guy like Thompson, I suppose, now that they haven't retained Hansbrough and are faced with somewhat unappealing choices on the FA market. I'm not sure if Thornton still fits, since they've already filled up with scorers in Watson and Copeland. if they were up for a straight JT+Thornton for Granger that'd be a dream, bum knee or not, seeing as it eliminates long term salary and fills a need. if they want a straight salary drop, we'd have to either amnesty Salmons or find a way to either drop Outlaw or Jimmer and do without Asik. in that case I'd be more anxious about Granger's knee, though.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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If the cost of doing business with Houston is Lin you do that every time. I don't spend more than a minute thinking about it. Lin isn't even a bad player, and if we are shipping out Thomas, Jimmer, and maybe even Thornton then I have even less of an issue with it.
Lin is on the books for this year and next. His contract ends the same year Hayes, Outlaw, and Thornton end. 2 years. Next year they all become expiring contacts. That's no big deal to me. By that time hopefully the culture change will be complete, Cousins will be in his prime .. McLemore will be older, etc. That is the free agent year we target.
Vasquez/McCallum
McLemore/Lin
Free Agent/Salmons/Outlaw
Cousins/Landry
Asik/FREE AGENT
on that depth chart I left out Thornton/Thompson/Patterson/Hayes/IT/Jimmer because I would deal any combination of those guys for Asik/Lin and I would deal whoever is left over for a serviceable SF. If Thompson goes to Houston for example, I would still try and swing some kind of Thornton deal for Granger. We May be stuck with Hayes.
Lin is on the books for this year and next. His contract ends the same year Hayes, Outlaw, and Thornton end. 2 years. Next year they all become expiring contacts. That's no big deal to me. By that time hopefully the culture change will be complete, Cousins will be in his prime .. McLemore will be older, etc. That is the free agent year we target.
Vasquez/McCallum
McLemore/Lin
Free Agent/Salmons/Outlaw
Cousins/Landry
Asik/FREE AGENT
on that depth chart I left out Thornton/Thompson/Patterson/Hayes/IT/Jimmer because I would deal any combination of those guys for Asik/Lin and I would deal whoever is left over for a serviceable SF. If Thompson goes to Houston for example, I would still try and swing some kind of Thornton deal for Granger. We May be stuck with Hayes.
