David West?

King Baller said:
I read over on RealGM that the Hornets may be forced to deal West.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63728/20091230/hornets_will_be_forced_to_move_west/
West as the starting PF on the Kings would be pretty cool. JT starts at Center and Hawes is the first big off the bench.

KB
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Good offensive player but he has critical deficiencies as a rebounder and defender. Namely that he's stubby and those muscles are just for hoisting jumpers and getting girls. 29 now too, which is too old. Worst of all Jerry likes him. No doubt because he has visions of Tisdale still flashing before his eyes. If nothing else worked out for any other major frontcourt scorer would I? Eh...
 
West is what the kings are missing someone who can score on the block, jt to center spencer off the bench til he can improve. With a go to player on the block we will be able to get the inside out game going. Trade works with him and thomas straight up, hopefully the hornets are desperate enough to shed salary.
 
CaAllDay said:
West is what the kings are missing someone who can score on the block, jt to center spencer off the bench til he can improve. With a go to player on the block we will be able to get the inside out game going. Trade works with him and thomas straight up, hopefully the hornets are desperate enough to shed salary.
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West is a jump shooter if anything, kinda like Webb in his late years when he lost his explosiveness. If we can get him cheap for KT or something then I think we have to do it, because West has some real value in this league. He's not what we need but if you can a trade as lopsided as that one, you do it to stockpile talent. Worry about the rest later
 
SacKings7 said:
West is a jump shooter if anything, kinda like Webb in his late years when he lost his explosiveness. If we can get him cheap for KT or something then I think we have to do it, because West has some real value in this league. He's not what we need but if you can a trade as lopsided as that one, you do it to stockpile talent. Worry about the rest later
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West does shoot jumpers and he can make jumpers, he also has post game with both hands. If the hornets do it its just a salary dump but with the economy and there reported need to get rid of contracts maybe, and if we can land a frontcourt player without getting rid of martin that would be ideal.
 
Rather go with Okafor if we're going the save Hornets some money route.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Rather go with Okafor if we're going the save Hornets some money route.
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Okafor is listed at 6'10 which i highly doubt, he is averaging about a double double playing with chris paul thats just lame, there are plenty of guys who can get a double double for much cheaper(David Lee), he has 5 years left at 10Million plus a year, keep in mind Thompson, evans, casspi,and hawes deals expire in 2 years.
 
CaAllDay said:
Okafor is listed at 6'10 which i highly doubt, he is averaging about a double double playing with chris paul thats just lame, there are plenty of guys who can get a double double for much cheaper(David Lee), he has 5 years left at 10Million plus a year, keep in mind Thompson, evans, casspi,and hawes deals expire in 2 years.
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:rolleyes:

Okafor has averaged double double his entire NBA career with 2 blocks to boot. He also happens to be one of the better inside defenders in the league. Its what we need. West is no where near as good as CP3 is making him be.

West solves NONE of our issues. You get a arguably the softest frontcourt rotation in the NBA with Hawes, JT and West.
 
It seems like most bball fans are mostly offensive minded. Defense is ALWAYS the key. You MUST be able to defend the paint. David West brings no such qualities to the table. I give this idea a big fat NO. I also say no to sliding Thompson over to the 5. What is wrong with you people?
 
well west would be nice to have when the jumpers dont fall what are u gonna do keep jacking up shots like we seen tonight vs philly, would be nice to have a player that can get a high% shot in the paint, to stop a run our in crunch time, or even to draw a double to get a open 3. I know west isn't mutombo but i think having west makes u better overall. Jt 6'11 250 can play center
 
Don't use height and weight to assume that JT can play the 5. His game isn't suited for that position.
 
Agreed re: JT at the 5. People are doing the same thing with Donte saying he can play 4. We're finally starting to get a team loaded with size mismatches our way and people are suggesting going to small ball. We're one big stopper away from serious competition.
 
meh, JT isnt a center and West isnt the defensive presence we need. I don't think this would really do anything for us. Okafor would be a much, much better fit. Although I'm not a big fan of the move either, just due to the contract more than anything.
 
CaAllDay said:
Okafor is listed at 6'10 which i highly doubt, he is averaging about a double double playing with chris paul thats just lame, there are plenty of guys who can get a double double for much cheaper(David Lee), he has 5 years left at 10Million plus a year, keep in mind Thompson, evans, casspi,and hawes deals expire in 2 years.
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Okafor measured out to be 6'10" in shoes at the draft combine in 2004. He also has a 7'4" wingspan, which puts him right up there with a lot of centers in the league with a 9'3" standing reach. What makes Okafor attractive is his defense, something Lee wouldn't bring to the team. He's only 27 years old, so he fits in with the long term plans of the team. He has four years remaining after this year, not five. His final year is at just over 14 Mil.

As far as salaries go, only one player you mentioned is due a qualifying offer in two years.

Hawes: Qualifying offer due in 2011/2012 season.
Thompson: Qualifying offer due in 2012/2013 season
Greene: Qualifying offer due in 2012/2013 season
Evans: Qualifying offer due in 2013/2014 season
Casspi: Qualifying offer due in 2013/2014 season

So other than Hawes, we have no worries about any one for three plus years. Even Martin is signed through the 2013/2014 season.
 
mr. moustache said:
If we can get Okafor for expirings, I think it would already have been done.
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If the hornets are still looking like they will be out of the playoffs by the time the deadline approaches, you better believe they will be looking for serious money saving deals like KT for Okafor.

It's more rare to have deals this early. The talk will heat up in a few weeks.
 
CaAllDay said:
Okafor is listed at 6'10 which i highly doubt, he is averaging about a double double playing with chris paul thats just lame, there are plenty of guys who can get a double double for much cheaper(David Lee), he has 5 years left at 10Million plus a year, keep in mind Thompson, evans, casspi,and hawes deals expire in 2 years.
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double double guys are not easy to get, first of all. Here are the guys with 10+ rebounds last year:

Dwight Howard
T. Murphy
David Lee
Biedrins
Camby
Duncan
Boozer,
Bogut
Okafor
Randolph
Bosh

Murphy, Lee, Boozer, Randolph, and Bosh are horrible defenders. Camby is too old. Duncan and Howard are franchise guys not moving.

That leaves Biedrins, Okafor, and Bogut. Bogut is unlikely to be moved and Okafor is a much better defender than Biedrins (who may or may not be available)

The point is that it's not so easy to run out and "get a double double guy for cheap". Especially one that can defend as well.
 
sidney said:
double double guys are not easy to get, first of all. Here are the guys with 10+ rebounds last year:

Dwight Howard
T. Murphy
David Lee
Biedrins
Camby
Duncan
Boozer,
Bogut
Okafor
Randolph
Bosh

Murphy, Lee, Boozer, Randolph, and Bosh are horrible defenders. Camby is too old. Duncan and Howard are franchise guys not moving.

That leaves Biedrins, Okafor, and Bogut. Bogut is unlikely to be moved and Okafor is a much better defender than Biedrins (who may or may not be available)

The point is that it's not so easy to run out and "get a double double guy for cheap". Especially one that can defend as well.
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My thoughts exactly. I really think adding Okafor is a tough pill to swallow financially(it would require a multi-year contract exiting i.e. Andres Nocioni), but it's really the best we can do and would be a rather ideal fit if I do say so myself. The fact that Okafor has a 4 year deal starting next year allows the Kings to get their FA 'signing' this summer with one-two years run off his deal already. We don't have to sign someone to the max 5 year deal or SnT(and lose assets likely) for a 6 year max deal. We got a double double guy who's specialty is PROTECTING the basket on defense and is an excellent defensive rebounder on a 4 year deal. I don't think we can beat that, ESPECIALLY at the cost of Thomas' expiring contract. By the time Okafor's owed 14 million, we'll only have had to extend Hawes(if we so choose to do so). So contractually it's better to look at Okafor for 4 years than Lee, Boozer, Johnson etc on a 5 or 6 year deal of near equal size.
 
well i would like west on the team i think he improves the team by getting high % shots. Okafor gets 9.9 reb a game jt gets 9.2, is jt the classic center no, how many classic centers are out there not many, jt can play center his defense is suspect i agree but he can play the position. The kings need a post player and west is a good one, no thanks on the okafor deal he makes to much for what he brings, if they take noc then we might be talking.
 
CaAllDay said:
well i would like west on the team i think he improves the team by getting high % shots. Okafor gets 9.9 reb a game jt gets 9.2, is jt the classic center no, how many classic centers are out there not many, jt can play center his defense is suspect i agree but he can play the position. The kings need a post player and west is a good one, no thanks on the okafor deal he makes to much for what he brings, if they take noc then we might be talking.
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The Kings were fifth in the league in scoring the other night, so I assume that their still holding down that position. They don't need more scoring. Yeah, they had a problem the other night, but you had Evans and Martin both sitting on the bench. They do need interior defense and if it comes with rebounding, so much the better. Okafor fills both those needs. As far his contract. If a player is bringing to the table everything you wanted from him, then whats the problem with the contract. If anything, it may be a good thing. You don't have to worry about resigning him any time soon.

I would love to have West, but we don't need him. Find a way to get me both and I'm happy with that. But if I have to choose between the two, I'll take Okafor.
 
CaAllDay said:
well west would be nice to have when the jumpers dont fall what are u gonna do keep jacking up shots like we seen tonight vs philly, would be nice to have a player that can get a high% shot in the paint, to stop a run our in crunch time, or even to draw a double to get a open 3. I know west isn't mutombo but i think having west makes u better overall. Jt 6'11 250 can play center
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Our problem is not on the offensive end. We are one of the highest scoring teams in the league and thats without Kevin Martin.

Our problem is that we can't stop anyone. Even a bar stool will get a triple double against us.
 
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