Big Cuz 15
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would you do a sign and trade of mike bibby+filler for darko? i would not pay the guy more than 8m/yr.. more like 7m 
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Kingfanpaul
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If Orlando did this trade they would be IDIOTS! Of course kings fans would take that in a second. Just not a chance in hell of it actually happening.would you do a sign and trade of mike bibby+filler for darko? i would not pay the guy more than 8m/yr.. more like 7m
Entity
Hall of Famer
Yah because Darko has proved to be a much better NBA player than Bibby will ever be.
supamari0
Bench
Heh.. if you're paying Darko anything remotely close to Bibby's salary, then you're the idiot.
The dude hasn't proven anything, and is just as inconsistent as ever.
Although, I will say that he'd be a great fit in Houston in Adelman's system, he seems like a prototypical Adelman PF.
But he still isn't worth that much money.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
would you do a sign and trade of mike bibby+filler for darko? i would not pay the guy more than 8m/yr.. more like 7m
Yes I would do that, but its unlikely UNLESS they were to sign Lewis, then I could see this as being more likely because they shift into more of a "win now" mode, and think that if they add Bibby to go with Lewis and Howard that they have a power team in the East. And you know what? They would be right.
Also helps that Vasquez sounds like he's finally going to come over, so they could maybe conceive of moving Darko for a PG in a way they might not if they did not have the extra frontcourt help.
P.S. it would have to be Darko and filler of course. Bibby and filler only makes the salaries got he wrong way. Assuming of course that you are trying to get Darko at $7-8mil while Bibby's at $13.5. If you're trying to get Darko at $13mil...pass.
P.P.S. As for Darko not having proven anything. True. Then again, it just seems like he's been around forever. He's still just 22. That means he would be the youngest player on the Kings roster other than Hawes. He's younger than Justin, Ronnie, Cisco, Kevin, Quincy. If they all have room to grow, then so does this guy. And he's not bad right now.
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is Darko worth $8 mil? he's shown flashes of being worth it but has been fairly inconsistent too
AleksandarN
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Well there is a chance to get Darko now. Here is the post I posted in the NBA thread. It looks like the Magic have yet to contact him and apparently more then 10 teams contacted Darko. I hope the Kings was one of them.
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21302
Big Cuz 15
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if they nab both lewis and bibby, they have legit scoring power to go w/ howards power game. howard is a good defender that can make up for some of their defensive liabilities.. and as brick said, fran vasquez could be coming over soon to fill the void left by darko
bozzwell
Starter
From ESPN:
7. Darko Milicic, Magic
His cap hold as of July 1 is $15.6 million, which eats up all of Orlando's space. If they sign the 7-footer at a starting salary of $9 million, they'll still have enough space left to offer an additional free agent more than midlevel money. If the Magic want to go hard after Lewis, they could work out a sign-and-trade with Seattle, or simply renounce Darko -- the latter option would squeeze the 22-year-old financially.
Darko is 7 feet tall, can walk and chew gum at the same time, 22 yrs old, so he will probably get more then 8mil. Dirty little secret of "small ball" craze is that there are not that many big proven guys around, let alone available. So, Darko or anyone like him will cost us more then 7mil a year and I would have to guess that Magic is less likely to overpay Bibby then to overpay to keep Darko. They can always trade him later if he's still moping around.
7. Darko Milicic, Magic
His cap hold as of July 1 is $15.6 million, which eats up all of Orlando's space. If they sign the 7-footer at a starting salary of $9 million, they'll still have enough space left to offer an additional free agent more than midlevel money. If the Magic want to go hard after Lewis, they could work out a sign-and-trade with Seattle, or simply renounce Darko -- the latter option would squeeze the 22-year-old financially.
Darko is 7 feet tall, can walk and chew gum at the same time, 22 yrs old, so he will probably get more then 8mil. Dirty little secret of "small ball" craze is that there are not that many big proven guys around, let alone available. So, Darko or anyone like him will cost us more then 7mil a year and I would have to guess that Magic is less likely to overpay Bibby then to overpay to keep Darko. They can always trade him later if he's still moping around.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I think they either work a sign and trade with Seattle, don't know why Seattle would with a multitude of 1st round C's the last couple of years, but you never know, or the Magic let him go to sign Lewis outright. As stated above I don't think they can sign and trade for a player of Bibby's salary because that would eat up the cap space before they'd be able to use it on Darko. If they re-sign Darko they have no cap space to sign a big time FA.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Hell Yeah I would do it!!!!!
Especially considering that Spanish kid is ready to come to the NBA to losing Darko wouldn't be that big a hit to Orlando.
Bibby-Lewis-Howard would be a very good trio in the East while Darko would help us tremendously with his length, athleticism and shot blocking ability. He is only 22 and he still has a lot of upside. Last year was virtually his rookie season and he showed flashes of what he is capable of in the play offs against Detroit.
$7-8 million is what Darko is worth and I would be prepared to pay that no dramas. It would even be better if the other contract in play to make the salaries work is an expiring contract after next season.
Especially considering that Spanish kid is ready to come to the NBA to losing Darko wouldn't be that big a hit to Orlando.
Bibby-Lewis-Howard would be a very good trio in the East while Darko would help us tremendously with his length, athleticism and shot blocking ability. He is only 22 and he still has a lot of upside. Last year was virtually his rookie season and he showed flashes of what he is capable of in the play offs against Detroit.
$7-8 million is what Darko is worth and I would be prepared to pay that no dramas. It would even be better if the other contract in play to make the salaries work is an expiring contract after next season.
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ParniValjak
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IMHO, anything less than a 3-4 year deal is pointless. Why would you offer him a 2 year deal, develop him and them let him walk in free agency?!
I might be wrong here but to get player's Bird Rights then you would have to sign him for at least 3 years.
If we are good enough and lucky enough to get Darko in FA, then the first thing I would want Petrie and Theus to do is go out and get a great big man coach to teach these kids the ropes. Getting them and hoping they develop on their own accord would be unneccessary gamble.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
No doubt Darko has had some bad luck in terms of coaching etc. but in the end this is a guy who has been in the league for a couple years and really yet to do much of anything. Sorry at this point I would not pay much for potential, and at this stage in his career no one should be "developing" his tallent. A 3rd year at team option allows the Kings to keep his bird rights if he comes arround but the last thing a team in rebuild mode needs to do is take a heavy risk on long term paper on a guy who has a bad track record.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Without the S&T possibility, Getting Darko is a real longshot. Cannot imagine what we have that's he'd be interested in. We might have an open PF position. But then again so does Houston, snd they are setting up to be contenders adn have the proven coach for his style of play.
The iplications of an S&T for Darko vs. them renouncing him, vs. them signing him, are a bit fuzzy.
According to hoopshype, Orlando has $39 million in salaries right now, and that includes the $6.8mil qualifying ofer to Darko. If that were true, then combining Darko starting at $8mil with Arroyo at $4 mil, and trading them for Bobby at $13.5mil, should leave them at about $41mil in salaries (minus the $7mil qualifying and $4mil Arroyo ($11mil total) against plus $13.5mil from Bibby). Now what's the cap this year? $52-$53mil? Would seem to leave them enough room to maybe start Rashard at $12mil or so, with an average of about $15mil.
But I think I am missing something there, because that's not the way these articles are talking about it. they are talking about nit as if even if darko came back for the qualifying offer, it would leave the Magic with little cap room. I;m tempted to say that they are just wrong, but more likely I am not understanding some aspect of the situation.
The iplications of an S&T for Darko vs. them renouncing him, vs. them signing him, are a bit fuzzy.
According to hoopshype, Orlando has $39 million in salaries right now, and that includes the $6.8mil qualifying ofer to Darko. If that were true, then combining Darko starting at $8mil with Arroyo at $4 mil, and trading them for Bobby at $13.5mil, should leave them at about $41mil in salaries (minus the $7mil qualifying and $4mil Arroyo ($11mil total) against plus $13.5mil from Bibby). Now what's the cap this year? $52-$53mil? Would seem to leave them enough room to maybe start Rashard at $12mil or so, with an average of about $15mil.
But I think I am missing something there, because that's not the way these articles are talking about it. they are talking about nit as if even if darko came back for the qualifying offer, it would leave the Magic with little cap room. I;m tempted to say that they are just wrong, but more likely I am not understanding some aspect of the situation.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
He's a young big with offensive talent and proven shot blocking ability, in the NBA yea that's enough to get that kind of contract.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
The fact that we have no real big man could actually give us an advantage this time around. Because we lack any post presence whatsover maybe Darko is thinking along the lines of "they need a big man and i would get major playing time in sactown". If we somehow got Darko, i would go through the roof lol.
According to http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070702/SPORTS/707020330/1002/SPORTS Darko wants $10
In somewhat of a shocking non-move, the Magic did not contact Milicic's representatives Sunday, possibly sending the message that they have no interest in re-signing the 7-footer from Serbia and Montenegro. Milicic's camp is demanding a contract worth approximately $10 million a season and Orlando has no desire to pay that amount, according to an NBA source close to the negotiations.
In somewhat of a shocking non-move, the Magic did not contact Milicic's representatives Sunday, possibly sending the message that they have no interest in re-signing the 7-footer from Serbia and Montenegro. Milicic's camp is demanding a contract worth approximately $10 million a season and Orlando has no desire to pay that amount, according to an NBA source close to the negotiations.
bozzwell
Starter
It was just reported that Darko will join NT from the very start of preparations for European championship. New coach of Serbian NT is Moka Slavnic, complete blathering idiot and an @@@ to boot, but, he is extremely good with young players, he launched career of Drazen Petrovic when he was 15 yrs old.
Expect Darko to eb showcased in EC, to get big minutes (Krstic is not playing) and Moka to feature him in offense. Considering Darko's last showing for NT, I expect him to drive the price up.
Expect Darko to eb showcased in EC, to get big minutes (Krstic is not playing) and Moka to feature him in offense. Considering Darko's last showing for NT, I expect him to drive the price up.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I'm not surprised they didn't re-sign him. $10 mil for what? Being the number 3 pick? I'd like to have Darko, but asking for that much is a joke, no team is going to give him that contract based on his potential (which is not even superstar potential).
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And once you get up there around that $10 mil mark, which is what he was looking for back before his lackluster season last year, the risk probably becomes too big.
You figure at the very least he's shown himself a capable first 4/5 off the bench, and so is at least worth that kind of money (MLE basically). But he hasn't proven, REALLY proven, that he will definitely be more than that. So every $ you go above that level is a leap of faith. $6-$8mil? Yeah, I take that leap, although there is a risk, figure its the risk of paying a $5million player $7mil. By the time we are talking about $10mil a year...that's a Top 50 in the NBA contract. If he doesn't develop. If he stalls out. Or gets fat and lazy. Or whatever, you are left sitting on an immense choking bag.
Thing is, I do wonder in this market if ANYBODY will offer him his $10? I wouldn't give up on him until somebody showed me they were willing to take that kind of leap. If its not going to be Orlando, who is going to gamble at that level?
You figure at the very least he's shown himself a capable first 4/5 off the bench, and so is at least worth that kind of money (MLE basically). But he hasn't proven, REALLY proven, that he will definitely be more than that. So every $ you go above that level is a leap of faith. $6-$8mil? Yeah, I take that leap, although there is a risk, figure its the risk of paying a $5million player $7mil. By the time we are talking about $10mil a year...that's a Top 50 in the NBA contract. If he doesn't develop. If he stalls out. Or gets fat and lazy. Or whatever, you are left sitting on an immense choking bag.
Thing is, I do wonder in this market if ANYBODY will offer him his $10? I wouldn't give up on him until somebody showed me they were willing to take that kind of leap. If its not going to be Orlando, who is going to gamble at that level?
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Vlade4GM
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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46860/20070702/report_lewis_agrees_to_sign_with_magic/
According to reports the magic are signing Lewis and renouncing their rights to darko as a RFA.
According to reports the magic are signing Lewis and renouncing their rights to darko as a RFA.
As he becomes a unrestricted FA, is it impossible to get him via sign and trade?
I don't mean that we should get him, but I'm just curious. IMO, we are over the cap, so we cannot get him directly. Is it possible for us to get him, via sign and trade?
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sactownfan
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maybe they would take Miller with the thinking that with Lewis and Howard they will have enough actual skill and talent on the floor defensively that he woulnt hurt them too bad and having so many wepons already it would open up Miller to pass to there stars and shoot wide open jumpers all day from the wing! i would trade Millers salary for Darkos any day. this also works for them because J.Nelson has been shaky at finding his teammates
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sactownfan
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Millers at 9mil a year why not Miller and a future pick with loto restrictions for Darko at the same salary. we could give him a 10mil a year 3 year deal and it would be nothing changed salary wise just now we got a young could be gem, defense, a actual youth movement and a young fun team that would with-----
Hawes
Darko
Artest --- if hes not traded
Martin
Bibby -- if hes not traded
that might be fun to watch as we find our way back into next years lottery.
and if we rid ourselves of Bibby and Ron for other young players and picks were well on our way to a complete overhaul
Hawes
Darko
Artest --- if hes not traded
Martin
Bibby -- if hes not traded
that might be fun to watch as we find our way back into next years lottery.
and if we rid ourselves of Bibby and Ron for other young players and picks were well on our way to a complete overhaul
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Orlando loses their bird rights for him which means they can only use their remaining cap space (which is low now that they got Lewis) in a sign and trade. So a sign and trade is unlikely now but we can sign Milicic to the MLE which MAY be the going rate for him now. I think Atlanta, Charlotte, and Milwaukee are the only ones who have the cap space to sign him for more than the MLE.
