King-Da-Yah
Starter
And he can dunk from just about the FT line with a knee on the mend! I think getting rid of Brockness would be a mistake because of the rapport and the effort you just mentioned Sir Brick.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
My bad..
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I'm not sure what your drinking, but you need to slow down a little. Patrick Patterson does not now, nor will he ever bear any resemblence to Charles Barkley. Barkley was an unstoppable post player. Patterson has no one defined skill. He's decent at everything, but not great at anything. He survives on his athleticism. His outside shot has improved, but he's still inconsistant. He's not a great post player and relies on his quickness and althletic ability to score most of his points.
I'm not saying he doesn't have upside and can't play in the NBA. He's certainly a physical specimen, and will always bring energy to the floor. But I'd call him the next Kenny Thomas before I'd call him the next Barkley.
King-Da-Yah
Starter
+1 Baja, no offense Fake but you do need to slow down a bit, Patterson is a fine player but not up to the calibre you are putting him at
Amory
Bench
Ya, when I read his post I was like WTF.
Of course I would rather have someone the age of Favors, Wall or Cousins.....but 22 (almost 23) is not that bad.
FakeInjury
Bench
Words will be eaten. And Patterson is the person who will prove who eats them. Baja, i appreciate the healthy cynicism, but look at my track record when it comes to talent evaluation. I'm not sure if you can, because some of it isn't on this board. But, i will try to be as forthcoming with my escapades. i was on the tyreke train since 2008, followed the memphis thing and i was PRAYING that Memphis took thabeet so we could have Tyreke/Hardin. Back before Pitt made the final four, i had a whole college dorm LAUGHING on a daily basis because i though Dejuan Blair was a lottery player. LAUGHING like i made a funny joke. Now, they don't laugh about my evaluation. Next year, arkansas will make the NCAA tourney and Courtney Fortson will be on people radar, but that is for next year. I didn't like 2008 draft, but i didn't dislike our 1st round picks, so i can't claim foresight there. 2007, I was all over Al Thorton, i wish i could say i was thinking about thaddeus young, but Thorton was my pick. Thaddeus young is dam good tho. 2006, i was Rondo this Rondo that. i won't even go into 2005 because it becomes less and less believable. 2004, Varajoe. 2003, Marquis Daniels. Look, if i had it my way, our team might look like Rondo/Tyreke/Thorton/Thompson/Blair.....or not. Im saying that I pick at a freaking 100% clip bajaden, if you believe me. I just want you to remember how you feel next year, when he is playing in that rookie/sophmore game, starting, and getting the same trophy tyreke got this year.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Remember, I din't say he wouldn't make the all rookie team. He might very well do that. I just said that he's no Charles Barkley. He's a very athletic energizer bunny. He always plays hard. I'm by no means trying to diss him. I happen to like him. I'm just saying you need to keep it in prespective. I will say this though. If he wins rookie of the year next year, I'll buy you dinner at the resturant of your choice.
FakeInjury
Bench
I appreciate the offer, but i wont be in town, i will be on the east coast. you must be a lawyer because you settle arguments with great ease. I can't disagree with you, once again.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Patterson
I like Patterson too. Really, I think he's one of the safest picks on the board. He's going to bring it every night. He may not have a ceiling as high as some of the other guys, but he doesn't have as many risks either. Patterson is the pick that's going to allow a GM to sleep at night. Some of these other picks will require ingesting a few Tums before rolling the dice.
I like Patterson too. Really, I think he's one of the safest picks on the board. He's going to bring it every night. He may not have a ceiling as high as some of the other guys, but he doesn't have as many risks either. Patterson is the pick that's going to allow a GM to sleep at night. Some of these other picks will require ingesting a few Tums before rolling the dice.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
If Patterson were an inch or two taller, he'd probably be higher on the draft boards. If he can measure out at 6'9" in shoes at the combine, then I think his draft stock could go up. Especially combined with good team workouts. As it is, he's limited potentially because of his size, and because of no huge advancement in his game from year to year. Although in fairness, Cousins being added to the team definitely affected Pattersons rebounding and scoring. He did add a jumpshot to his offense.
If you compare him to Udoh, they are very similar in scoring results with Udoh at 13.9 PPG, and Patterson at 14.3 PPG. In rebounding Udoh has the edge with 9.8 RPG to 7.4 RPG. But Patterson did have to compete with Cousins for rebounds. In fairness Udoh had to compete with Josh Lomers and Anthony Jones for rebounds. But the two of them together didn't rebound as well as Cousins. The biggest difference between them is in size and in blocking shots. Patterson blocked 1.3 shots a game, while Udoh blocked 3.7 shots a game. Athletic wise, they're both very athletic bigs. I would give the edge to Patterson when it comes to playing physical. But I think Udoh is a better ballhandler and passer.
Mostly I like Patterson for the same reason I like Damion James. There are times when you swear that there's more than one of him on the floor. Actually James is just a slightly shorter version of Patterson with more skills. Ahhh, too many favorites and not enough picks...
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I'd take Udoh over Patterson because of the factors you mentioned. He does have a higher ceiling and I feel comfortable in swinging for the fences with him as the pick. But as you intimate, Patterson is going to be a nice player.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
It sure would be nice to have an exta pick. Then you could roll the dice on one of these high ceiling/high risk kind of guys.
FakeInjury
Bench
Baylor's Udoh and his weakness that really stand out to me ".. Does not finish plays through contact." i read this and in the NBA today its not if you can finish, its how you can finish after contact. Udoh is a project. I would rather not have him because the kings need more than defense, we need players who do it all.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Don't believe everything you read mi amigo. One of the reasons that I like Udoh is that he does do it all. He's not just a defensive player. While I'll grant you that he's not a polished offensive player right now, he's light years ahead of Aldrich as far as having a foundation to build on. He's far from being a project. Whiteside is a project.
FakeInjury
Bench
We need to figure out who on the team is going to help us win more games than we loose. Tyreke and Green and Landry and Thompson and Garcia are people we are keeping for next year. Hawes plays well in bursts, and Omri is still young. But, Lets look at this objectively, Not all those 7 players are going to help us win consistently. Landry and Tyreke are our biggest weapons. That is not good. We need another weapon, flat out need another weapon. Udoh, not really a weapon on offense. If Landry is our PF, and Tyreke is our lead G, we need a weapon in the middle or on the wing. I like Patrick because he is a slashing SF-PF.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Lets hope and pray for another pick. Something in the 15 to 20 range would be ideal... Hell, I'll be happy if we can aquire another high 2nd round pick. Minny has three 1sts and three 2nd's. Maybe they'll feel sorry for us and deal one.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Unfortunately, it's not in Petrie's lexicon. If anything, it seems like he likes to unload those second round picks. He makes piddly little deals on draft day, not blockbusters.
I could easily see this to be the year where other teams holding their individual pick in the teens would trade it for very little because of the negatives/risks associated with the pick. But this is a classic case in which an individual pick could look very risky and low value, but multiple picks held by one team could yield significant value because you're lessening the overall risk to your "portfolio". The whole could be much greater than the sum of its parts.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I agree that in the past Petrie hasn't had a lot of use for second round picks. But to be fair, until the last few years the Kings were a playoff team with most of its postions filled. The chances of a second round pick making the team back in the Vlade/Webber era was probably pretty slim. So I'm willing to give him a little benefit of the doubt. But thats certainly not the case now, so well see..
FakeInjury
Bench
I'm not sure that this years 2nd round picks are gonna be as good as i originally thought. I absolutely NEED Petrie to pick up a last 1st round pick from Memphis because i sense Jordan Crawford will be available at 26. The problem with this draft is its full of freakin tweeners. Everyone plays a position that is above their height. I just don't want Petrie to blow this draft and swoop up Greg Monroe with the 5th pick. Willie Warren's draft stock just went down today, but im not sure it went into 2nd round territory. I love out 2nd round pick, and I doubt it goes anywhere. What would be interesting would be getting the 1st pick and trading down to get the 2nd pick and Evan Turner. ESPECIALLY if the nets own the 2nd pick. Harris and Turner for Wall would be a monster steal for petrie.
Chupacabra
Starter
Who is Patrick? Youre counting out all power forwards that are in the draft because of Landry. That isnt a very wise thing to do. I personally would like Landry to be a guy that comes off the bench as a scorer. Ideally, if we draft Cousins or Favors i would start either of them along with Thompson and bring Landry off the bench. We'd have a nice 3 man rotation in the front court that way. Landry is an awesome guy to have play against the other teams secondary bigman as well. We also wouldnt lack size in the front court at all.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
I'm not a real big fan of Davis. That may put me in the minority, but he just didn't wow me. He's not a very good ballhandler or passer, and the dude is skinny. I've admitted that I could be wrong about him, but right now there's now way I take a 6'9", 210 pound PF, over a 6'11", 265 pound center. I definitely take 6'10", 255 pound Udoh over him. The only thing he has going for him over Udoh is that he's younger.
Packt
Starter
I'm on the Aldrich wagon, too. Enough so that I think we should trade down for him if necessary, with the intent on throwing bank at Bosh. Core would be two twenty plus guys in Bosh and Reke with Aldrich manning the Five. Mix and match on the wings with defenders and shooters and we'd be contending.
This all depends on whether the powers that be feel they can make a legit offer to Bosh.
This all depends on whether the powers that be feel they can make a legit offer to Bosh.
Chupacabra
Starter
There is some crazy nonsense Cole Aldrich talk going on in here lol. Id bet most of you have BARELY seen him play. I wouldnt mind having him, but i sure as hell wouldnt use my top 5 lottery pick on him.
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LWP777
Guest
Sorry, but there is 0% chance Bosh is coming to Sacramento. We really need to move on from that pipe dream.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I don't like him either. Just too skinny, and he doesn't look like he has the build to put on the weight. Maybe GS could pick him and then they could have the skinniest team of all time.
Packt
Starter
Hopefully Petrie and the Maloofs' don't share this mindset. Bosh is a FA and we have money. Throw your best offer out there and hope for the best.
Pretty sure Bosh is going to haul in more cash than the Kings can throw at him.
More than he's worth IMHO.
mr. moustache
Bench
Toronto can offer more. Any team doing a sign and trade with Toronto can offer more. Outside that, the Kings can offer as much as anyone.
All that said, he's not coming to the Kings. They'll offer him the max, and he will go elsewhere. If the Kings get him, it's in a sign and trade and I really don't think he views Sac as an upgrade over Tor.
All that said, he's not coming to the Kings. They'll offer him the max, and he will go elsewhere. If the Kings get him, it's in a sign and trade and I really don't think he views Sac as an upgrade over Tor.
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