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SaCKiNgS24
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Bruce Bowen would get KILLED! no joke, you dont mess with my man Ron Artest like that.
Bowen plays dirty , Gets Carter ejected...
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Dave McNulla said:
You know what's sad? I honestly think you and other Spurs fans have convinced yourself your statement above is true.
Fine. Keep thinking it. If you're a long-time fan of the NBA, deep down you know the truth regardless of what you say on an opposing team message board. There are a couple of players in this league who have gone over the line in playing defense. They know how to take players out and they've gotten away with it so they keep doing it.
That isn't basketball. If you've ever read the story of Dr. James Naismith, who started this game, you'd know it DEFINITELY wasn't the type of thing he envisioned for the game.
I wish no team or player illness or injury. I have to wonder, however, if TMass OR Bowen, both of whom can use the foot slide to perfection were on opposing teams and did it to Manu or Tim if you'd still be so righteous in your indignation about the rest of us calling them dirty.
Sorry, Spurs fan. When fans of EVERY other team in the league, fans who usually can't see eye to eye on ANYTHING, can agree about Bruce Bowen and his tactics, you just have to wonder. Exactly who is it who isn't seeing the truth?
Dave McNulla
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i am spurs-biased. i'm not going to lie about anything. since this is a kings fan board and nobody asked me to show up and give my opinion, i'll drop the whole thing.
iheartBrad
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Dave i like you i really do...whenever you come there is always great conversation to be had...I feel like you are right on with a lot of the things you say...even though you are a Spurs fan...hehe...but this Bowen thing...::shakes head:: there is no way you are going to prove to all of the basketball nation that he's a JUST a great defender and NOT a dirty player...you'd be saying it but you honestly wouldn't even be believing it yourself...
4cwebb
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Is there a possibility that Bowen is BOTH a great defender AND a dirty player? 'Cause that is where I would put him. When you watch him play, he does an excellent job of moving his feet, not using his hands on the perimeter when his player actually has the ball, and just in general putting so much effort into defense that it frustrates the opposing player.
But then he does something like move up under a player who is shooting a jumper because he knows that he has done it before, and it might distract that player to think about injuring his ankle again, so he might miss the shot. And if that player lands on his ankle, that's not his fault, right?
And forget about VC and Ray going off on him...Michael Finley, a man who doesn't get angry with anyone and never really says anything bad about anyone else (unlike Ray-Ray with his silly Kobe fued) called Bowen dirty last year after Bowen clearly gave him a cheap-shot in the ribs when Finley wasn't looking (and neither were the refs). He's played dirty before. There's no shame in admitting it.
But then he does something like move up under a player who is shooting a jumper because he knows that he has done it before, and it might distract that player to think about injuring his ankle again, so he might miss the shot. And if that player lands on his ankle, that's not his fault, right?
And forget about VC and Ray going off on him...Michael Finley, a man who doesn't get angry with anyone and never really says anything bad about anyone else (unlike Ray-Ray with his silly Kobe fued) called Bowen dirty last year after Bowen clearly gave him a cheap-shot in the ribs when Finley wasn't looking (and neither were the refs). He's played dirty before. There's no shame in admitting it.
Yeah majority of fans from 29 teams think Bowen is a dirty. And if the Spurs waived Bowen GMs from 29 teams would be lining up to try to sign him, including yours truly Geoff Petrie. And if the Kings happened to be lucky enough to be the ones to sign him 90+% of Kings fans would be blowing kisses to him faster than Lakers fans did to Karl.
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SaCKiNgS24
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i want to see this who has the actual play?
iheartBrad
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and quite honestly if he were to come to SacTown...id be saying he's dirty his entire trip over here...
he plays dirty and thats that
he plays dirty and thats that
Massenberg hasn't been a dirty player with the Spurs. He hasn't thrown elbows, taken anybody down going to the paint, undercut anybody, come close to hurting anybody, got any Ts or ejections. What I saw of Massenberg getting dropped off the playoff squad was not fitting in and calling out the team as soft, something Webber did in the summer, not that Adelman was offended by his "dirty play".
I see Brad throwing some unneccesarily hard fouls at times. I seriously doubt you'll get a lot of fans from other teams or players for that matter to say he 's not a pretty chippy player at times. Kings are not pure as driven snow.
I see Brad throwing some unneccesarily hard fouls at times. I seriously doubt you'll get a lot of fans from other teams or players for that matter to say he 's not a pretty chippy player at times. Kings are not pure as driven snow.
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ReinadelosReys
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striker said:
Note: I don't watch a lot of Spurs games, only those Nat'l televised and/or vs. the Kings, but ...
just look at the first meeting between the two clubs, he blatantly elbowed Matt Barnes in the head!
Wait, first its we are softies who don't/can't play defese and now Brad Miller is a dirty player, I don't get it?
striker said:
Massenberg was in big trouble with the Kings hierarchy after his cheap shot against Derek Fisher in a blowout game. THAT was the catalyst for his eventual demise and departure, regardless of the sniveling he did to the media.
If you want to talk about people throwing hard fouls, fine. I have no problem with hard fouls as long as they're not cheap shots OR foot slides to try and take a player out of a game. Massenberg has done both; Miller neither.
But it doesn't really matter anyway. He's your problem now. Praise him all you like. We did, too, right up until the time he showed his true colors.
SacTownKid
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You know whats funny. That time Shaq tried to sucker punch Brad from behind when he was in Chicago, Miller didn't even hit Shaq hard, it was Charles Oakley. If he should have swung at anybody it should have been Oak. That was a great game BTW, I remember it was very exciting!
iheartBrad
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striker said:
this is really getting ridiculous...
and am i the only one that sees a difference between "chippy" and "dirty"
every player in the NBA can be chippy and pick up chippy fouls...dirty is a whole 'nother thing
SacTownKid...Shaq vs Charles Oakley YIKES! id pay money to see that as i would if it were Shaq vs Danny Fortson
WHAT ABOUT WALLY.
Been through it before. I don't think it was intentional. You're going to say I'm a ridiculous homer. Fine. Let's assume it was intentional. How long ago was it? How many similar incidents have there been? How many players had far more flagrant fouls, more than one? Artest? Kenyon? Juwan Howard alone has put two Spurs on the IR with flagrant fouls. Bradley with his flying elbows? I can name dozens more. One potentially balatant event that has become the "Bowen's dirty" lynch mobs bible. Sorry not impressed with your overwhelming evidence from a nine year career.
Been through it before. I don't think it was intentional. You're going to say I'm a ridiculous homer. Fine. Let's assume it was intentional. How long ago was it? How many similar incidents have there been? How many players had far more flagrant fouls, more than one? Artest? Kenyon? Juwan Howard alone has put two Spurs on the IR with flagrant fouls. Bradley with his flying elbows? I can name dozens more. One potentially balatant event that has become the "Bowen's dirty" lynch mobs bible. Sorry not impressed with your overwhelming evidence from a nine year career.
striker said:
Been through before? Not the point.
You said there weren't any players out because of Bowen. I named one. You lose.
I couldn't care less if you're impressed or not. I used Wally as the most obvious example.
You continue to change the rules of the debate. Go find a Mavs fan to argue with ...
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I need a nap.
iheartBrad
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ooo she told you
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