Boston perspective on Rondo trade rumors

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Well, sure feels like the Celtics are asking for two 1st rounders for Rondo (tweeted and confirmed by many NBA 'insiders' this morning) ..

I wonder how close one 1st rounder (assuming we can somehow get another late first, and trade our high first) with McLemore and / or Williams would be towards getting it done.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, sure feels like the Celtics are asking for two 1st rounders for Rondo (tweeted and confirmed by many NBA 'insiders' this morning) ..

I wonder how close one 1st rounder (assuming we can somehow get another late first, and trade our high first) with McLemore and / or Williams would be towards getting it done.

Same ponderings I have, especially given that our losing streak has upped the value of our #1 this year by virtually guaranteeing a Top 10 spot. But we would still have to disentangle it. And after that display on Saturday do you think we are willing to bite the bullet and give up Ben? For that matter has Ben's value gone the way of the TRob at this point?

 

[LPKingsFan]

Well, sure feels like the Celtics are asking for two 1st rounders for Rondo (tweeted and confirmed by many NBA 'insiders' this morning) ..

I wonder how close one 1st rounder (assuming we can somehow get another late first, and trade our high first) with McLemore and / or Williams would be towards getting it done.

As for getting a later 2014 pick to trade ours, I'm assuming we could swap our interest in the 2014 pick (good up to 12) for the Atl/Bk pick owed to Boston this year?

 

[CelticsFan]

Well, sure feels like the Celtics are asking for two 1st rounders for Rondo (tweeted and confirmed by many NBA 'insiders' this morning) ..

I wonder how close one 1st rounder (assuming we can somehow get another late first, and trade our high first) with McLemore and / or Williams would be towards getting it done.

I would like to see some kind of deal worked out with the Kings. Rondo has looked good so far 11-29 for 3. Not the greatest but just the fact that teams will have to respect his shooting more. Rondo worked extensively with assistant coach Ron Adams on his shooting. Adams was given credit with really helping with Derrick Roses's shot. Rondo has been more confident with taking jumpers this year no doubt.

 

[Sam0ah]

The price of two first round picks in this kind of draft just seems like to much to ask. Mostly because you have players at the pg that are very good in this draft like Smart, Exum and Ennis.

 

[Glenn]

Same ponderings I have, especially given that our losing streak has upped the value of our #1 this year by virtually guaranteeing a Top 10 spot. But we would still have to disentangle it. And after that display on Saturday do you think we are willing to bite the bullet and give up Ben? For that matter has Ben's value gone the way of the TRob at this point?

Too many unknowns. We will get a high 1st round pick, at least high enough to get a great player especially one who may play defense. We probably won't get a star but we don't need one. As to Ben, there is no way of knowing his potential and I don't know what the FO saw in him. He needs several years before it is known if he is worth anything as right now, he isn't. He has the hands of Causwell. I know he has major hops. He can dunk with either hands. I'm tempted to say "so what?" In fact I just did.

 

[Glenn]

BTW, I want a pg who is ready to play and not a short guy with upside.

 

[Kingsfan23]

Not only gambling with rondos full recovery but the fact that he would stay here past next year. There is no guarantee this works out on the court or he enjoys a small market. Giving up 3 to 4 young pieces for a year and a half rental would be a set back. Just an opinion.

 

[CelticsFan]

Wow looks like it was offered earlier http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

 

[Bricklayer]

Wow looks like it was offered earlier http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

yep, just saw that:

The Sacramento Kings offered the Boston Celtics Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore and draft picks for Rajon Rondo, according to a source. The deal did not go through due to Rondo's disinterest in signing a long-term contract with the Kings. The Celtics reportedly want multiple first round picks in a deal for Rondo.Via Marc J. Spears/Yahoo! Sports



Given that was the exact package I have been suggesting since early this year, I can't fault us for trying there. Sucks to be Sacramento thought when you make the right offer and a guy doesn't want to sign with you.

 

[CelticsFan]

Bummer it would have been a good deal for everyone

 

[ParniValjak]

I am a little bit surprised by Rondo's refusal. I know Sacramento is not a sexy destination. However, I thought with DMC here (Kentucky connection as well) and Rudy Gay (Rondo's good friend who he tried to recruit to Boston) in town, it had the makings of a pretty good skeleton of a team.

I guess Rondo either wants to be traded to an instant contender OR he is a big city type of guys. Or he simply does not like the team giving up a picks (I assume this season's) and robbing itself of any flexibility.

Can't fault us for trying but disappointed Rondo said no.

 

[fanop]

I am a little bit surprised by Rondo's refusal. I know Sacramento is not a sexy destination. However, I thought with DMC here (Kentucky connection as well) and Rudy Gay (Rondo's good friend who he tried to recruit to Boston) in town, it had the makings of a pretty good skeleton of a team.

I guess Rondo either wants to be traded to an instant contender OR he is a big city type of guys. Or he simply does not like the team giving up a picks (I assume this season's) and robbing itself of any flexibility.

Can't fault us for trying but disappointed Rondo said no.

I've always said that Sacramento would have trouble attracting FA. This would be a huge example of one. The kings were willing to give up first rounders, IT, and the potential in Ben all for Rondo. Yet, he would decline to resign with the kings.

I don't see the Kentucky connection at all. They've both played in different time periods. We also don't know if Gay will opt out after this year or not, so that's a huge ? mark.

I think Rondo probably wants to be traded onto a contending team and doesn't want to play in Sacramento. I'm glad we didn't try to gamble and make him stay on the kings. C-Webb was different because we weren't giving up a huge chunk of our team and future building blocks for a guy who just came back from an injury. I doubt we would be able to convince him to stay either.

I love how the Kings are pushing it in the trade deadline. I'd have no problem with trading for Rondo if he wanted to resign with the kings.

 

[Spike]

Well, it's good to see that the management was willing to roll the dice and go all in on Rondo. Too bad it didn't work out. IT & BMc probably don't feel too good knowing they were going to be traded, though.

 

[Bricklayer]

Had a thought -- Boogie's sudden distraction/funk/guys feeling sorry for themselves just when we hit Boston for that last trip?

 

[ParniValjak]

Had a thought -- Boogie's sudden distraction/funk/guys feeling sorry for themselves just when we hit Boston for that last trip?

Please explain?!

DMC doesn't want his friend IT gone?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Is it possible that offer was made before we went after Gay? And maybe now that Gay is here, he can talk some sense into Rondo? Could have been one of the reasons we went after Gay.

Sometimes you just have to roll the dice. If we trade for Rondo we have a season + to work out a new contract, and can trade him at next years deadline if we can't.

 

[Bricklayer]

Please explain?!

DMC doesn't want his friend IT gone?

possibly (and troublingly, that's been a concern of mine for a while) -- and rem Rondo sat out that game too?

Alternately, Boogie knew about the trade, wanted it to happen, and knew about Rondo saying no.

 

[Bricklayer]

Is it possible that offer was made before we went after Gay? And maybe now that Gay is here, he can talk some sense into Rondo? Could have been one of the reasons we went after Gay.

Sometimes you just have to roll the dice. If we trade for Rondo we have a season + to work out a new contract, and can trade him at next years deadline if we can't.

Yeah I suggested that earlier. Seems unlikely, because means we would have been making the offer back before Rondo was back, but still...maybe. The Rondo to us rumors did start somewhere back there in early Dec, so...always hope.

 

[ParniValjak]

Is it possible that offer was made before we went after Gay? And maybe now that Gay is here, he can talk some sense into Rondo? Could have been one of the reasons we went after Gay.

Sometimes you just have to roll the dice. If we trade for Rondo we have a season + to work out a new contract, and can trade him at next years deadline if we can't.

The problem with that approach is that, this time next year, Rondo's value plummets because he is UFA and teams are not going to take the risk

 

[cuad]

1. Does Rondo even have a no-trade clause?
2. If Rondo has a no-trade clause and vetoed the trade, why would Spears report that "Rondo doesn't want to resign with the Kings" instead of "Rondo doesn't want to play for the Kings"?

I think the wording best suggests that, if any trade existed and died at all, then the Kings were the ones who backed out of it.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Please explain?!

DMC doesn't want his friend IT gone?

Could be that, could be a 'no ones ever going to want to come help me here' thing.

Hopefully this team and ownership can improve their image soon. Gotta win some games though. And people say wins and losses aren't important. If we were surprising the league like the Suns are right now I bet you Rondo would be on board.

 

[Bricklayer]

1. Does Rondo even have a no-trade clause?
2. If Rondo has a no-trade clause and vetoed the trade, why would Spears report that "Rondo didn't want to resign with the Kings" instead of "Rondo doesn't want to play for the Kings"?

Not a question of a no trade clause.

Just a question of us being unwilling to give up so much unless we heard form Rondo that he would resign with us long term. He says he won't (or won't guarantee he will), and we back off because we don't want to walk away empty handed.

 

[CelticsFan]

Is it possible that offer was made before we went after Gay? And maybe now that Gay is here, he can talk some sense into Rondo? Could have been one of the reasons we went after Gay.

Sometimes you just have to roll the dice. If we trade for Rondo we have a season + to work out a new contract, and can trade him at next years deadline if we can't.

Call your front office I will call Danny Ainge MassachusettsKingsFan lets get this done

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

1. Does Rondo even have a no-trade clause?
2. If Rondo has a no-trade clause and vetoed the trade, why would Spears report that "Rondo doesn't want to resign with the Kings" instead of "Rondo doesn't want to play for the Kings"?

No, he doesn't have a no trade, it's PDA being afraid to trade for a guy who doesn't want to be here, trading away all of his assets in the process. It would be a risky play... One that I might make regardless of what Rondo says right now. He can be convinced.

 

[ParniValjak]

1. Does Rondo even have a no-trade clause?
2. If Rondo has a no-trade clause and vetoed the trade, why would Spears report that "Rondo doesn't want to resign with the Kings" instead of "Rondo doesn't want to play for the Kings"?

I don't believe that he has a no trade clause. I think it was more of a case our front office asking the question of whether Rondo would commit to Sacramento long term of the deal happened? Even asking him to sign an extension before the trigger is pulled on the deal.

It was similar to Melo to NY deal a few years back. When the Knicks traded for him they wanted assurances that he will sign on with them. He responded by signing an extension for the trade to be completed.

I suspect we did a similar thing. We wanted Rondo and we wanted him to sign an extension for us to pull the trigger and he said no. Whether its because he doesn't want to play for us or whether its a case of him wanting to keep his options open by hitting free agency, we don't really know.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Remembering how PDA and Vivek handled the Iggy situation, I don't know if they'd actually deal for rondo without the extension in place. I would roll the dice, but it doesn't seem like their style.

And if I had a guess I would say DMC was bummed about potentially losing his buddy IT. I never understood why some posters saw a rift in their relationship.. Those guys might be the only two players who like each other on the entire team, and I do think it is an issue because I don't think Thomas will be on this team next season. I wonder how DMC will take that one.

 

[cuad]

I won't buy that extension stuff because Marc Spears wrote "doesn't want to resign" and not "wouldn't sign an extension".

If everything points to anything, then it's that the FO is too chicken to make the trade, which doesn't make sense to me. Two 2nds are worthless. It ain't that risky to trade Isaiah, and new SG prospect can be picked up in the upcoming draft.

 

[Glenn]

Although it would be great to have Rondo, perhaps we aren't so desperate to take a risk he won't re-sign. Perhaps this "new culture" involves having players who want to be here. I wonder what the draft picks were. They must have had value as I don't see losing IT and Ben as all that much of a big deal if the payoff is that Rondo falls in love with the area and the team and stays.

There also may be another deal that can be made that is more a sure thing.

 

[rainmaker]

Remembering how PDA and Vivek handled the Iggy situation, I don't know if they'd actually deal for rondo without the extension in place. I would roll the dice, but it doesn't seem like their style.

They just rolled the dice with Rudy though. When traded it was said him opting in wasn't even brought up.

As an aside, with IT now mentioned in a very public rumor as being offered, I think the chances he'd sign an extension with us just went down. How many players sign extensions the summer following being offered in a trade? Might increase the chances we do make a move including IT, for Rondo or someone else as it's tough to shop a guy around in Feb with him signing a new contract in July being the fallback option.