Boston perspective on Rondo trade rumors

[bajaden]

I agree with your Mass though they obviously play different positions IF McLemore grows up to reach Rondo level you would be really lucky. We know how most of these guys pan out. From a Boston's perspective I look at it as McLemore has talent but I wouldn't be sold on him as our SG of the future. He hasn't done anything, I dont see him like you guys every night but I envision him being a really good player off the bench on a good team. Maybe he blossoms into a starter. I would still want Boston to target a FA SG in the off season if we decide to move on from Bradley, Lance Stephenson or do some kind of sign and trade for Hayward.

On one hand your downplaying McLemore, saying that we'll be lucky if he becomes what we want him to be. You even tried to devalue our draft pick, by implying that draft picks are hit and miss situations, and take time to develop. But at the same time you want that very same draft pick, and to such an extent that there's no deal without it. Sounds a little bit like your playing on both sides of the fence.

 

[bajaden]

Trade is really the only way the Kings could get Lowry, anyway, no? Unless PDA magically makes several contracts disappear, the Kings won't have cap space to sign Lowry or anyone of his ilk.

Yes, we would have to trade for him. Just like we would have to trade for Rondo. I think the trading price for Lowry would be less, but the problem is, I'm not sure the Raptors want to trade Lowry right now. Once the season ends, it would have to be a sign and trade scenario.

 

[ParniValjak]

Yes, we would have to trade for him. Just like we would have to trade for Rondo. I think the trading price for Lowry would be less, but the problem is, I'm not sure the Raptors want to trade Lowry right now. Once the season ends, it would have to be a sign and trade scenario.

I tend to agree on Lowry. I think he would be a really good fit that plays both ways at a high level. He would also come cheaper via trade than Rondo.

People point to Gay/Rondo pairing in Toronto, and statistically, it was their best pairing. In Toronto it was always going to be troublesome because your 3 best players and 3 best scorers are all on perimeter (Gay-DeRozen-Lowry) and all attacking from similar spots on the floor.

In Sacramento, it would be completely different fit. Your 3 scorers which would happen to be our 3 best players (Cousins-Gay-Lowry) are perfectly spread out (C-SF-PG) and you are attacking from multiples spots on the floor. Not to mention that with Lowry, our perimeter D also improves.

Rondo is an all-star and one of the best, if not the best pass first PG in the NBA. Lowry is a borderline all-star who is a better scorer than Rondo and might actually come cheaper both in terms of $$$ and trade currency while having a very similar impact.

I do think that Toronto will trade Lowry by the trade deadline. They are going to blow it up because they know that they are stuck in mediocrity. They don't have anywhere near enough to contend and they need to rebuild. I think their FO is surprised that the trade worked for them much better than they thought it would. They were hoping to tank their way into the draft this year, get another great young pick and develop the team from there. I don'tt hink they will re-sign Lowry in the off-season and I also think that they do not want to lose him for nothing either.

 

[CelticsFan]

On one hand your downplaying McLemore, saying that we'll be lucky if he becomes what we want him to be. You even tried to devalue our draft pick, by implying that draft picks are hit and miss situations, and take time to develop. But at the same time you want that very same draft pick, and to such an extent that there's no deal without it. Sounds a little bit like your playing on both sides of the fence.

No I just think the Celtics need to rebuild from the bottom and start from scratch. They have a lot of draft picks currently I would like to add another. I know that all picks dont pan out but I figure if we pick 3 times in the first round this year maybe we may hit on a good player. McLemore is by far your best young asset (excluding Cousins) of course the Celtics will target him. When the Kings traded for Gay it seemed like they where trying to win now I would think the Kings would want to put pieces around him to win. Young players take time to develop I dont plan on McLemore leading the Celtics to a title anytime soon. The Celtics if they do decide to build from the bottom up will be lucky to be a real contender in the next 5 years. McLemore is a gamble, yeah he has the talent but he hasn't proved he can do it in the NBA. Your trading a guy who you hope can play for a guy who has done it and done it really well. Not a knock at all and I may be wrong but how many high picks have the Kings had that did not pan out? High picks don't guarantee good players

 

[LPKingsFan]

I do think that Toronto will trade Lowry by the trade deadline. They are going to blow it up because they know that they are stuck in mediocrity. They don't have anywhere near enough to contend and they need to rebuild. I think their FO is surprised that the trade worked for them much better than they thought it would. They were hoping to tank their way into the draft this year, get another great young pick and develop the team from there. I don'tt hink they will re-sign Lowry in the off-season and I also think that they do not want to lose him for nothing either.

They're in an interesting spot. Yes, the East is terrible and they're not on a sustainable path to contention, but does an owner really sign off on forfeiting a top-3 seed, even if you're going to lose to Miami in the second round? That's a lot of extra revenue and cachet to give up. And for what? It's not like their pick is going to get much better, as they won't be able to tank their way all the way into the lottery with the amount of other bad teams back east. The one concern would be losing Lowry for nothing, but, as the numerous posts looking at potential IT suitors suggest, there aren't a ton of PG buyers out there. Again, I see the arguments, but I think it's a complex and interesting call for them.

 

[KingsCitizen]

If there is a deal in place where the Bulls get our 2015 1st round pick because we end up retaining this years pick by finishing in the bottom 12, then we still can't trade this years pick, because you can't trade first round picks two years in a row. Which would be the case if the Bulls have our 2015 pick.

We should be able to trade it if say Boston gives us a late first round pick in exchange for our lottery pick. If I'm not mistaken Boston already have at least 2 confirmed first round picks for 2014. In that case we have a first round in 2014 and only skip 2015. Or Boston can trade their 2015 first round to us.

My simple point, our pick can be traded if the right trade is on the table.

 

[Bricklayer]

They're in an interesting spot. Yes, the East is terrible and they're not on a sustainable path to contention, but does an owner really sign off on forfeiting a top-3 seed, even if you're going to lose to Miami in the second round? That's a lot of extra revenue and cachet to give up. And for what? It's not like their pick is going to get much better, as they won't be able to tank their way all the way into the lottery with the amount of other bad teams back east. The one concern would be losing Lowry for nothing, but, as the numerous posts looking at potential IT suitors suggest, there aren't a ton of PG buyers out there. Again, I see the arguments, but I think it's a complex and interesting call for them.

I think that's the real issue there. We look at Toronto and go pfft, nothing there. But in the Eastern Conference, what they got isn't nothing. They are beyond tanking now. they have a real chance to be a #3 seed. In the West you pretty much have to win 60 to be a #3 seed. But in the East, you might do it with 45. So Wiggins is gone for them now. And much as Rondo may be a better player than Lowry, Lowry's team has a much more valuable use for him than Rondo's team has for Rondo right now.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Just send IT,Outlaw,Landry,MT and get Rondo & Joel Anthony.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Just send IT,Outlaw,Landry,MT and get Rondo & Joel Anthony.

I'd rather just give them Outlaw and Landry.


You do realise the other team has to want to do the trade too, right?

 

[CelticsFan]

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Just send IT,Outlaw,Landry,MT and get Rondo & Joel Anthony.

I assume your kidding. What's the deal with IT's contract? I may be wrong but because he was selected in the second round doesn't that makes him just a FA rather then a RFA. I think IT probably has more value in Sac then anywhere else. IT is a backup PG on a good team he's not going to lead a team to a championship. If he got moved to Boston I don't even know if he would be a guy that they would want to commit to long term. We have a small PG in Pressey and though IT is better then Pressey it really sucks to have that small of a PG. Bayless sucks and he kind of had his way with IT last night.

 

[fanop]

i'd think that chicago would be very tentative about dealing with sacramento regarding the pick the bulls are owed. the kings' roster remains a mess, and while things are certainly looking up on the talent front, the result could cut either way in the next couple of seasons, really. sacramento could make smart trade deadline moves, smart draft day decisions, and smart offseason transactions this year, and they could be headed in the direction of the playoff conversation. or they could fail to properly build around demarcus cousins and rudy gay, and gay could opt out this summer or bolt in '15, and cousins could eventually demand a trade as the whole thing collapses...

i'm optimistic that this team's fortunes are going to turn around, but from another team's perspective, particularly an eastern conference team's perspective? i'd think that the bulls would view the kings as a bit of a wild card, and would elect to take a stab at the kings improving enough to give chicago solid draft position in 2015 (when the pick they're owed is only top-10 protected) rather than trade for an unprotected 2016 kings' draft pick with the hope that the kings are still bottom-feeders in '16 (when the original pick they're owed would still have been only top-10 protected, anyway). i suppose it would depend on chicago's desire to be certain of when that draft pick would be conferred to them. if they value the stability of that knowledge, maybe the kings could swing a deal by throwing in some sweetener. otherwise, i think it's hard to imagine chicago playing ball, but perhaps i'm underestimating PDA's creativity...

I really really hope Gay doesn't opt out and sign with another team. That's a realistic scenario for people saying he won't opt out of 19 million. Gay has made a lot of money. There's also an article talking about how the Suns are really interested in pursuing him if he decides to opt. here

With that being said, I wonder how many other teams would pursuing him after his great performance here with the kings.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I was dissapointed in


I assume your kidding. What's the deal with IT's contract? I may be wrong but because he was selected in the second round doesn't that makes him just a FA rather then a RFA. I think IT probably has more value in Sac then anywhere else. IT is a backup PG on a good team he's not going to lead a team to a championship. If he got moved to Boston I don't even know if he would be a guy that they would want to commit to long term. We have a small PG in Pressey and though IT is better then Pressey it really sucks to have that small of a PG. Bayless sucks and he kind of had his way with IT last night.

That's becoming quite a common theme with IT. Just can't stop anyone, even if the effort is there, because of his size. Great bench scorer, top 3 at the very least, but that's it. In fact, his ego is through the roof and he is consistently referring to himself as the leader or a leader of the team, and I don't see him that way at all. The main reason I want IT gone is because of that. He can't see past himself.

 

[fanop]

I tend to agree on Lowry. I think he would be a really good fit that plays both ways at a high level. He would also come cheaper via trade than Rondo.

People point to Gay/Rondo pairing in Toronto, and statistically, it was their best pairing. In Toronto it was always going to be troublesome because your 3 best players and 3 best scorers are all on perimeter (Gay-DeRozen-Lowry) and all attacking from similar spots on the floor.

In Sacramento, it would be completely different fit. Your 3 scorers which would happen to be our 3 best players (Cousins-Gay-Lowry) are perfectly spread out (C-SF-PG) and you are attacking from multiples spots on the floor. Not to mention that with Lowry, our perimeter D also improves.

Rondo is an all-star and one of the best, if not the best pass first PG in the NBA. Lowry is a borderline all-star who is a better scorer than Rondo and might actually come cheaper both in terms of $$$ and trade currency while having a very similar impact.

I do think that Toronto will trade Lowry by the trade deadline. They are going to blow it up because they know that they are stuck in mediocrity. They don't have anywhere near enough to contend and they need to rebuild. I think their FO is surprised that the trade worked for them much better than they thought it would. They were hoping to tank their way into the draft this year, get another great young pick and develop the team from there. I don'tt hink they will re-sign Lowry in the off-season and I also think that they do not want to lose him for nothing either.

What if Gay doesn't want to play with Lowry? They used to be teammates, and during Gay's time with the Raptors he played like crap. If that's a result of Lowry, then I wouldn't want him. Lowry would be a nice upgrade over IT, but how much of an upgrade? I think before we trade for a pg, we must convince Gay to stay here. I think Rondo would be the best decision for the kings.

The kings wouldn't need a lot of scoring from Rondo. If we can get some wing players that can stretch the floor, it would be great for Rondo.

 

[whozit]

I really really hope Gay doesn't opt out and sign with another team. That's a realistic scenario for people saying he won't opt out of 19 million. Gay has made a lot of money. There's also an article talking about how the Suns are really interested in pursuing him if he decides to opt. here

With that being said, I wonder how many other teams would pursuing him after his great performance here with the kings.

I think it's also a realistic scenario that if he does opt out there is an "understanding" of him resigning with the Kings. Are other teams looking at his production with the Kings and taking into account Cousins? Do the Suns for example have a player that can do what Demarcus does? Cousins and Gay make each other better and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't both know it.

 

[bajaden]

We should be able to trade it if say Boston gives us a late first round pick in exchange for our lottery pick. If I'm not mistaken Boston already have at least 2 confirmed first round picks for 2014. In that case we have a first round in 2014 and only skip 2015. Or Boston can trade their 2015 first round to us.

My simple point, our pick can be traded if the right trade is on the table.

Well you just added another element. If you had said that to begin with, then I would have agreed with you.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

As much as I'd love to get Rajon Rondo, the Kings just don't have the necessary assets, outside of DeMarcus and Rudy, to get a deal done ... Unless Danny Ainge, or an additional 3rd party, accepts a less than stellar return. I just don't see it happening.

 

[fanop]

I was dissapointed in


I assume your kidding. What's the deal with IT's contract? I may be wrong but because he was selected in the second round doesn't that makes him just a FA rather then a RFA. I think IT probably has more value in Sac then anywhere else. IT is a backup PG on a good team he's not going to lead a team to a championship. If he got moved to Boston I don't even know if he would be a guy that they would want to commit to long term. We have a small PG in Pressey and though IT is better then Pressey it really sucks to have that small of a PG. Bayless sucks and he kind of had his way with IT last night.

They actually signed him to a 3 year deal which means they have full birds right on him.

I think a lot of kings fans are overrating IT's value. He has had great numbers, but we all know how he plays..including you from what you saw last night. However he should have some leeway in that game because no one outside of IT and Cousins was productive. Thomas is only our starting pg because we don't have any other pgs on this team that would be a better option. Nate Robinson was never paid more than 5million a season. I would expect the same to IT. Even the Bulls didn't retain him despite his outstanding play for them. IT is a 6th man on every other team who would rarely play over 25 minutes a game.

 

[fanop]

As much as I'd love to get Rajon Rondo, the Kings just don't have the necessary assets, outside of DeMarcus and Rudy, to get a deal done ... Unless Danny Ainge, or an additional 3rd party, accepts a less than stellar return. I just don't see it happening.

How about this deal?

Kings- Rajon Rondo, Joel Anthony, and Ron Artest(yes!)

Celtics- Raymond Felton, Derrick Williams, Ben McLemore, and Iman Shumpert

Knicks- Isaiah Thomas and Carl Landry

I don't know if the Knicks do this because they have plenty of scorers, but it works pretty well for the kings and celtics..

 

[KingsFanSince85]

There's absolutely no chance the Knicks part with Felton and/or Shumpert for that return. No chance.

 

[randymoss1881]

What's with the Lowery talk we can't get him period. They want a 1st which we don't have that's why he wasn't traded to the knicks

 

[randymoss1881]

I really really hope Gay doesn't opt out and sign with another team. That's a realistic scenario for people saying he won't opt out of 19 million. Gay has made a lot of money. There's also an article talking about how the Suns are really interested in pursuing him if he decides to opt. here

With that being said, I wonder how many other teams would pursuing him after his great performance here with the kings.

Saw that too if the suns do that then we should counter by offering Bledsoe the max (we have to shed thortans contract though).

 

[VF21]

How about this deal?

Kings- Rajon Rondo, Joel Anthony, and Ron Artest(yes!)

Celtics- Raymond Felton, Derrick Williams, Ben McLemore, and Iman Shumpert

Knicks- Isaiah Thomas and Carl Landry

I don't know if the Knicks do this because they have plenty of scorers, but it works pretty well for the kings and celtics..

No.

 

[TheBadGuy]

I was dissapointed in


I assume your kidding. What's the deal with IT's contract? I may be wrong but because he was selected in the second round doesn't that makes him just a FA rather then a RFA. I think IT probably has more value in Sac then anywhere else. IT is a backup PG on a good team he's not going to lead a team to a championship. If he got moved to Boston I don't even know if he would be a guy that they would want to commit to long term. We have a small PG in Pressey and though IT is better then Pressey it really sucks to have that small of a PG. Bayless sucks and he kind of had his way with IT last night.

I maybe wrong but I heard Ainge likes IT so of course they would want IT in return.

 

[Glenn]

Saw that too if the suns do that then we should counter by offering Bledsoe the max (we have to shed thortans contract though).

And give up on Gay? We found a second star to play with Cuz and absolutely don't want to go experimenting around trying to find another guy who fits so well.

 

[TheBadGuy]

I'd rather just give them Outlaw and Landry.


You do realise the other team has to want to do the trade too, right?

Celtics will not accept the trade if they will get only those two in return.

 

[CelticsFan]

FYI Rondo hasn't said he wanted to be traded, it would be crazy to see him go for any kind of package of IT,Outlaw and Landry. The guy is signed for another year too. I think Danny Ainges hangs up the phone on that one. In Boston we laugh at all the Knicks wanting Rondo too because they would only have Hardaway and Shumpert as pieces to offer, no way would that get it done. IMO I would probably want both those players over IT. Im talking straight up 1 for 1 for IT. I think IT may be over rated by Sac fans because he was a second rounder and hes small so it's easy to root for a guy like that you fall in love with him he battled to get where he is. Once the honeymoon is over and he is off his rookie contract and you are paying him real money I think you will realize he is no more then a back up PG.

I would imagine people will make a run at Gay next year we are already hearing things. It's a lot easier to to convince Gay with a PG like Rondo then guys like McLemore and IT.

 

[mac]

Celtics will not accept the trade if they will get only those two in return.

Woosh

 

[mac]

FYI Rondo hasn't said he wanted to be traded, it would be crazy to see him go for any kind of package of IT,Outlaw and Landry. The guy is signed for another year too. I think Danny Ainges hangs up the phone on that one. In Boston we laugh at all the Knicks wanting Rondo too because they would only have Hardaway and Shumpert as pieces to offer, no way would that get it done. IMO I would probably want both those players over IT. Im talking straight up 1 for 1 for IT. I think IT may be over rated by Sac fans because he was a second rounder and hes small so it's easy to root for a guy like that you fall in love with him he battled to get where he is. Once the honeymoon is over and he is off his rookie contract and you are paying him real money I think you will realize he is no more then a back up PG.

I would imagine people will make a run at Gay next year we are already hearing things. It's a lot easier to to convince Gay with a PG like Rondo then guys like McLemore and IT.

Why is it that you seem to catch on so fast but so many others don't? Sorry to break this to you but you have officially joined Jerry Reynolds' "you don't know a thing about basketball club"! I sure as hell don't over rate Isaiah Thomas. My hope is that every other GM does.

 

[CelticsFan]

Why is it that you seem to catch on so fast but so many others don't? Sorry to break this to you but you have officially joined Jerry Reynolds' "you don't know a thing about basketball club"! I sure as hell don't over rate Isaiah Thomas. My hope is that every other GM does.

IT's a good player dont get me wrong but he's not leading you to a championship. To borrow a quote IT is a looter in a riot. There is no one else to shoot or score so he shoots the ball a ton. I dont think anyone is mistaking IT for a real good passer. Is IT a good shooter or is he more of a volume shooter? I would go with volume shooter. Its nice he averages 20 points per game for you but points dont tell the whole story.

 

[Glenn]

FYI Rondo hasn't said he wanted to be traded, it would be crazy to see him go for any kind of package of IT,Outlaw and Landry. The guy is signed for another year too. I think Danny Ainges hangs up the phone on that one. In Boston we laugh at all the Knicks wanting Rondo too because they would only have Hardaway and Shumpert as pieces to offer, no way would that get it done. IMO I would probably want both those players over IT. Im talking straight up 1 for 1 for IT. I think IT may be over rated by Sac fans because he was a second rounder and hes small so it's easy to root for a guy like that you fall in love with him he battled to get where he is. Once the honeymoon is over and he is off his rookie contract and you are paying him real money I think you will realize he is no more then a back up PG.

I would imagine people will make a run at Gay next year we are already hearing things. It's a lot easier to to convince Gay with a PG like Rondo then guys like McLemore and IT.

You haven't been reading all the notes if you think all Kings fans over rate IT. If worst came to worst, I'd let him walk. I think he hurts the team. If Ainge wants him, good.