Bonzi's comment about Peja's injury.

VF21

VF21

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#31
#31
I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in anything Monty had to say...

Having said that, I DON'T CARE if one of the starters had an altercation with Peja. I really don't.

I am so heartily sick to death of the three bleeping years of drama that I simply don't care.

If they want to beat each other to pulp, I don't care. If they want to stand toe to toe and call each other nasty names, I don't care. If they slap each other with gloves and demand satisfaction at dawn, I don't care.

I want my KINGS back. I saw a glimpse of them tonight. There was cutting and there was passing and there was rebounding - in fact there was more rebounding than I could have hoped for. There was ATHLETICISM and there was excitement.

That's what I want. If Bonzi and Peja or Bibby and Peja or anybody in a Kings uniform and Peja (or anybody else) decides to get into it about how they do THEIR jobs, I DON'T CARE.

If anyone has the right to call out a player, it's the guy in the locker next to him.

So, to sum it up, IF Bonzi did get into an altercation with Peja...

I DON'T CARE!
 
AleksandarN

AleksandarN

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Superman said:
The latter.

Bonzi didn't say anything wrong. I'm guessing that the reporter mentioned Bonzi's hurt hand and asked why he's able to go out and play while Peja sits in street clothes, and Bonzi probably said that Peja is different, he's a shooter, and he doesn't want to risk his career - as a shooter - over a finger injury.

I'm not sure that Peja will take it that way, but I'm not sure Peja should take it at all. If he is seriously not able to play because of a hurt finger on his shooting hand, then he should take a few days and get his junk straight. Especially when you consider the fact that his excelling value on the team is his ability to shoot the ball, if he's not able to do that, then he should take his time.

If that is really the case, then Peja should have nothing to say/feel/think about Bonzi's comments.

And then when you consider the fact that most players do play through hurt fingers, you have to think about whether or not the injury really is serious enough to warrant taking more than a couple of games off. It should be pretty much healed within five days or so, so hopefully, he'll be playing against Toronto on Friday.
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I aggree aswell
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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It appears the national media have got wind of something. Interesting Reef quote too:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2005112323


Sacramento 114, New Jersey 105
November 24, 2005

AP - Nov 24, 1:05 am EST
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- While Sacramento Kings leading scorer Peja Stojakovic continues to be cautious with a sprained finger, teammate Bonzi Wells is playing his way through a similar injury.

Mike Bibby scored 25 points and Wells had 23 points and nine rebounds Wednesday night to lead the Kings over the New Jersey Nets 114-105.

Scoring on a variety of shots inside and on the perimeter, Wells didn't let a swollen middle finger on his right hand affect his play, scoring 19 points in the second half for the Kings, who snapped a two-game losing streak.

"Bonzi is a guy who plays with a lot of emotion, he's playing with almost a broken finger right now," said teammate Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who scored 16 points and had seven rebounds.

Stojakovic watched his second straight game in street clothes after injuring a finger on his shooting hand in Sunday's loss at Seattle.

"My finger has been messed up for a month. I'm hurting, but it's nothing that will keep me from playing," Wells said. "Peja is different, he's a shooter, it's (on) his shooting hand. For me personally, I'm going to play."

Stojakovic's status remains day-to-day.

"It's really up to Peja, and the trainer and the doctor," Kings coach Rick Adelman said. "He shot the ball pretty well today just catching and stuff. But I have no idea what the timetable is."

After shooting 55 percent in the first half, New Jersey went cold in the third period, when the Kings used a 19-4 run over a 5-minute span to take control. Wells made a buzzer-beating jumper and scored 11 points in the third, when the Kings outscored the Nets 35-20 for a 94-78 lead.

Brad Miller had 20 points, 10 assists and seven rebounds for Sacramento. Kevin Martin, who has struggled in the early season, scored a career-high 18 points, including a steal and dunk early in the fourth quarter, giving the Kings a 100-78 lead with 10:08 remaining.

"We shot 54 percent and lose the game," Nets coach Lawrence Frank said. "If there's a question about the value and importance of defense, this is a great case example."

Abdur-Rahim said there was no revenge factor in beating the Nets. He failed a physical in the offseason after it appeared he would sign with the Nets as a free agent. Instead, he came to Sacramento.

"We lost two close games in a row, we didn't want to make it three, that was my whole focus in this game," Abdur-Rahim said.


AP - Nov 24, 1:05 am EST
 Marc Jackson had a season-high 21 points and nine rebounds and Nenad Krstic scored 19 points for the Nets, who have lost consecutive games to open a five-game road trip. New Jersey played without leading scorer Vince Carter, who has a strained back muscle.

"Before we used to be a third-quarter team because we'd wear teams out in the first half and then come out with that same intensity," said Richard Jefferson, who had 16 points for the Nets. "But we have a different group here, different mentality and we need to figure that out."

Jason Kidd had 11 points and 11 assists, but he was ineffective in the second half when Sacramento pulled away.

Miller had 15 points and Bibby scored 12 in the first half, helping the Kings to a 59-58 lead. Kidd had 11 points, 10 rebounds and four assists.

Notes

The Nets have lost seven straight at Arco Arena, dating to Nov. 30, 1997. ... Sacramento is 4-3 at home this season. Kidd had eight points and six assists in the first quarter, when the Nets led 27-26. ... Jackson made his first seven shots before missing from close range late in the third quarter.
Updated on Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 1:46 am ​
 
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BMiller52

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#36
Bricklayer said:
It appears the national media have got wind of something. Interesting Reef quote too:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2005112323


Sacramento 114, New Jersey 105
November 24, 2005

AP - Nov 24, 1:05 am EST
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- While Sacramento Kings leading scorer Peja Stojakovic continues to be cautious with a sprained finger, teammate Bonzi Wells is playing his way through a similar injury.

Mike Bibby scored 25 points and Wells had 23 points and nine rebounds Wednesday night to lead the Kings over the New Jersey Nets 114-105.

Scoring on a variety of shots inside and on the perimeter, Wells didn't let a swollen middle finger on his right hand affect his play, scoring 19 points in the second half for the Kings, who snapped a two-game losing streak.

"Bonzi is a guy who plays with a lot of emotion, he's playing with almost a broken finger right now," said teammate Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who scored 16 points and had seven rebounds.

Stojakovic watched his second straight game in street clothes after injuring a finger on his shooting hand in Sunday's loss at Seattle.

"My finger has been messed up for a month. I'm hurting, but it's nothing that will keep me from playing," Wells said. "Peja is different, he's a shooter, it's (on) his shooting hand. For me personally, I'm going to play."

Stojakovic's status remains day-to-day.

"It's really up to Peja, and the trainer and the doctor," Kings coach Rick Adelman said. "He shot the ball pretty well today just catching and stuff. But I have no idea what the timetable is."

After shooting 55 percent in the first half, New Jersey went cold in the third period, when the Kings used a 19-4 run over a 5-minute span to take control. Wells made a buzzer-beating jumper and scored 11 points in the third, when the Kings outscored the Nets 35-20 for a 94-78 lead.

Brad Miller had 20 points, 10 assists and seven rebounds for Sacramento. Kevin Martin, who has struggled in the early season, scored a career-high 18 points, including a steal and dunk early in the fourth quarter, giving the Kings a 100-78 lead with 10:08 remaining.

"We shot 54 percent and lose the game," Nets coach Lawrence Frank said. "If there's a question about the value and importance of defense, this is a great case example."

Abdur-Rahim said there was no revenge factor in beating the Nets. He failed a physical in the offseason after it appeared he would sign with the Nets as a free agent. Instead, he came to Sacramento.

"We lost two close games in a row, we didn't want to make it three, that was my whole focus in this game," Abdur-Rahim said.


AP - Nov 24, 1:05 am EST
Marc Jackson had a season-high 21 points and nine rebounds and Nenad Krstic scored 19 points for the Nets, who have lost consecutive games to open a five-game road trip. New Jersey played without leading scorer Vince Carter, who has a strained back muscle.

"Before we used to be a third-quarter team because we'd wear teams out in the first half and then come out with that same intensity," said Richard Jefferson, who had 16 points for the Nets. "But we have a different group here, different mentality and we need to figure that out."

Jason Kidd had 11 points and 11 assists, but he was ineffective in the second half when Sacramento pulled away.

Miller had 15 points and Bibby scored 12 in the first half, helping the Kings to a 59-58 lead. Kidd had 11 points, 10 rebounds and four assists.

Notes


The Nets have lost seven straight at Arco Arena, dating to Nov. 30, 1997. ... Sacramento is 4-3 at home this season. Kidd had eight points and six assists in the first quarter, when the Nets led 27-26. ... Jackson made his first seven shots before missing from close range late in the third quarter.
Updated on Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 1:46 am ​
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I hope peja isn't turning into Wince Carter aka half man half a season(I like vince, but peja seems to be making a bigger deal out of this then it has to be). Oh well, he's useless if he cant shoot the roc anyways.
 
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BMiller52

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KingKong said:
Wince Carter aka half man half a season...... did u just come up with that? If so, I need some more coffee.;) :D
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I wish lol. Read it on insidehoops. Honestly though when Wince isn't playing like a wuss(his last few games in TOR), I really like his game. When he's playing like a wuss, I just think to myself: wow what a waste of talent.
 
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Zyphen

Bench
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#39
We're playing better without Peja. He must be disrupting the offensive rhythm. Quick, someone get some dubious and questionable stats to back up this conclusion. Throw away the rest that don't support it. Oh, and don't forget to start the "1-1 without Peja, +20 (weirdass stat) differential" signatures.

In all seriousness, we don't have the depth to support this situation for long. And it would be pretty ridiculous if Peja actually waits the amount of time for the finger to completely heal.
 
KingKong

KingKong

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Peja was playing like a stud before the injury. I don't think he is a wuss at all just because he is sitting out as a precaution (esp with our luck). Even Bonzi mentioned that it's his shooting hand that he had sprained. He obviously doesn't want to hurt himself again after re- injuring the same injury . Peja is needed on this team, and he should be our go-to guy. You can see he is trying is all aspects of the game. As the players get more accustomed to the offense and each other, I fully excpect this team to be one of the most potent offenses by the All- Star Break.
 
mcsluggo

mcsluggo

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#41
man, I can't be the only one thinking "much ado about nothing" about all of this.

Peja is a shooter. His only REAL contribution is shooting. It is the first month of a LONG season. He is sitting down with a hurt finger. Big m-fing deal.



sometimes a banana is just a banana.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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#42
#42
mcsluggo said:
man, I can't be the only one thinking "much ado about nothing" about all of this.

Peja is a shooter. His only REAL contribution is shooting. It is the first month of a LONG season. He is sitting down with a hurt finger. Big m-fing deal.



sometimes a banana is just a banana.
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Unfortunately losing the respect of your teammates is not "much ado about nothing". Much of the rest of the league considers him a wuss, its one thing. Your own teammates...well, not the first time Peja's teammates have reached that conclusion and it creates the basis for a schism.

IMO, on the court Peja's sitting out with this "injury" has cost the Kings exactly zero games so far -- playing with a bad finger (and worrying about it) I doubt he was going to be much help against the Spurs, and we got the win tonight.

And so while I think Peja is a complete wuss and will argue that fact exhuastively against the legion of excusoids and enablers out there, I don't think him being a wuss has really hurt us here. I actually get far more annoyed with the people constantly trying to excuse it than I am concerned with Peja sitting out itself. It hasn't hurt us yet, and frankly I think people are a bit off when they think its likely too anytime soon. The way our team is constructed I think we can lose ANY of our starting 5 and the others can smoothly step on over, up their own roles, and compensate. Everybody is being underutilized with the possible exception of Peja, and so an injury actually represents an opportunity for the other players to step forward and get their shots and make the larger contributions they have shown themselves capable of over their careers. I am considerably more concerned about locker room stuff than I am about the product on the floor itself.
 
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bball

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**"The way our team is constructed I think we can lose ANY of our starting 5 and the others can smoothly step on over, up their own roles, and compensate. "**

I couldn't disagree more...That time is long gone. No more chemistry in the team--no stepping up to compensate. Most of the year it was the crapiest bench in the NBA, and you are talking of compensating.Such a statement from you is very imature.
 
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Stojakovic

Bench
#44
#44
I think Peja needs to walk up to whoever talked smack to him and just beat the s*** out of him. Preferably dodge a tough guy and pick up somebody who can't hit back ... imagine Peja vs Rick Adelman.

 
Kingsgurl

Kingsgurl

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bball said:
**"The way our team is constructed I think we can lose ANY of our starting 5 and the others can smoothly step on over, up their own roles, and compensate. "**

I couldn't disagree more...That time is long gone. No more chemistry in the team--no stepping up to compensate. Most of the year it was the crapiest bench in the NBA, and you are talking of compensating.Such a statement from you is very imature.
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I'm not sure if you noticed or not, but both Kevin and Cisco seem to be a lot more comfortable playing alongside the starters. Our bench isn't 'crappy', it's in-experienced.....huge difference. KT plays better (thus far) as a starter, so if he had to start for some reason, that wouldn't hurt us either.
 
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bball

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Kingsgurl said:
I'm not sure if you noticed or not, but both Kevin and Cisco seem to be a lot more comfortable playing alongside the starters. Our bench isn't 'crappy', it's in-experienced.....huge difference. KT plays better (thus far) as a starter, so if he had to start for some reason, that wouldn't hurt us either.
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I DISAGREE (with CAPS) with you as well. You are talking about mediokre players (Kevin, Cisco, KT). Bench sucks.
 
6th

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
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bball said:
**"The way our team is constructed I think we can lose ANY of our starting 5 and the others can smoothly step on over, up their own roles, and compensate. "**

I couldn't disagree more...That time is long gone. No more chemistry in the team--no stepping up to compensate. Most of the year it was the crapiest bench in the NBA, and you are talking of compensating.Such a statement from you is very imature.
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I think you misunderstood what Bricklayer was saying. He didn't even mention the bench. He said that when we lose a member of our starting 5, the others (as in other starters) can smoothly step on over. You did not quote the part where he said that everyone (starters) is underutilized and this means they could step up and get additional shots.

Bricklayer has long contended that we have too many players who need to take more shots than there is room for on this team. I am sure that missing Peja will not hurt.

BTW - I am sure that calling Bricklayers comments immature is not only stupid, but could have lasting ramifications. :eek: ;)
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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#53
#53
DeAtHrOw said:
Agreed. They are making a mountain out of a mole.
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Perhaps -- but note the other story this morning about there actually being a shouting match or some such. Maybe a mountain out of good sized foothill. ;)

BTW, I was not referring to the bench. When I say we can make up for someboyd being out, this is what I mean: Right now Bibby and Brad are both about 2ppg below where they were last year, Reef is 5 below his career average, and Bonzi is 4 belwo where he was last time he was a starter. 2+2+4+5 = 13pts right there without even asking anybody to go above and beyond what we already KNOW they can do. That leaves a grand total of 8.8pts for whoever is filling in for Peja to make up. Imminently doable.

Are we more potent with Peja? Sure. But we have MORE than enough offensive personnel to make up those points 8 nights in 10, and certainly over any short term injury. And same goes if the man going down was Reef (in fact Thomas could easily equal his numbers), Bonzi (although his baording would be badly missed) etc.. We are overstocked with offensive personnel performing WELL below normal levels to make room for others. If those others go down, we've got all sorts of players to step up. And that's before we even get to eh bench where we have guys wanting to start, Corliss who is a double figure scorer with minutes etc.
 
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Zyphen

Bench
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#54
Hmm, makes me curious enough to see Peja sit down for 2 weeks. I always knew he wasn't critical but how relevant is he really? A major point (which I myself subscribed to) in his favor is his ability to stretch defenses and thus, make things easier for everyone else. And then there's his often lauded efficiency. But how much worse are we really? I'd like to see across a larger sample size.
 
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DeAtHrOw

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Sorry, I did not see the story from this morning. It's not easy preparing an annual report and following the forum at the same time ;)
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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#56
Zyphen said:
Hmm, makes me curious enough to see Peja sit down for 2 weeks. I always knew he wasn't critical but how relevant is he really? A major point (which I myself subscribed to) in his favor is his ability to stretch defenses and thus, make things easier for everyone else. And then there's his often lauded efficiency. But how much worse are we really? I'd like to see across a larger sample size.
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The shooting really is the bigger issue now with this team than the points. We are actually BELOW average in 3's, and Peja is taking over half of the ones on the team by himself. Cisco can shoot though, so if he starts its possible he and Mike can continue making enough to keep teams honest, which is really all that is needed.

Long term Peja being hurt costs us games -- we are simply less talneted with him out. But over any shorter span, we can take an injury to a mian scorer as well as any team in the NBA. In fact I would argue that that is the ONLY good thing about having what I consider to be such a poorly constructed team with everybody tripping over each other's feet offensively. The one advantage is relative immunity to injury, offensively of course.
 
Ryle

Ryle

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#58
This team seems to play a little more "scrappy" without Peja on the floor.....coincidence???

Glad to see Peja get called out by Bonzi hopefully we can ship Peja off for someone who will leave it on the floor for every game.
 
DocHolliday

DocHolliday

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VF21 said:
I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in anything Monty had to say...

Having said that, I DON'T CARE if one of the starters had an altercation with Peja. I really don't.

I am so heartily sick to death of the three bleeping years of drama that I simply don't care.

If they want to beat each other to pulp, I don't care. If they want to stand toe to toe and call each other nasty names, I don't care. If they slap each other with gloves and demand satisfaction at dawn, I don't care.

I want my KINGS back. I saw a glimpse of them tonight. There was cutting and there was passing and there was rebounding - in fact there was more rebounding than I could have hoped for. There was ATHLETICISM and there was excitement.

That's what I want. If Bonzi and Peja or Bibby and Peja or anybody in a Kings uniform and Peja (or anybody else) decides to get into it about how they do THEIR jobs, I DON'T CARE.

If anyone has the right to call out a player, it's the guy in the locker next to him.

So, to sum it up, IF Bonzi did get into an altercation with Peja...

I DON'T CARE!
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The quote nor the facts came from Monty. I got the quote from an interview on news 10 with Bonzi. The fact that Bonzi confronted Peja came from Sam Ammick, it just happened to be that Month was interviewing him on his show.
 
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