Bargnani

[Bricklayer]

Since we have a thread discussing almost all of the major names being tossed around out there. Here's a guy I don't even like, but he can score, and clear up multiple problems/balance issues for us, while adding softness.

You might be able to do this:

Marcus Thornton 25 year old , 6-4, 205 lb G from LSU 13.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.3 apg in 26.9 minutes

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Toronto Raptors Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.8 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

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[TD="class: even"] Thomas Robinson 21 year old , 6-10, 237 lb F from Kansas
4.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.1 minutes
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[TD]Andrea Bargnani
27 year old , 7-0, 256 lb C-F from Benetton Treviso (Italy)
16.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 32.7 minutes in 2012-2013
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[TD="class: even"]Terrence Ross
21 year old , 6-6, 195 lb G-F from Washington
7.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17.6 minutes in 2012-2013
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Maybe. They apparently desperately want to unload Bargnani, and are going to want to save face doing so. Ross might be a tough pry though. Although he would be pointless after you had both DeRozan and Thornton. You might have to settle for Bargs and Dominic McGwire, who we briefly had before, and is a handy defenise roleplayer type. Or you might have to throw in IT, who has the tiny contract and would give them the platoon we should have had with IT/Lowry after they move Calderon or let him go over the summer.

In any case, potentially you would take the Kings team that played and won last night, remove nothing off of it that contributed (unless you had to add IT to get Ross), and then have some pretty serious firepower coming back to it with Tyreke and Bargnani waiting in the wings. Bargs would have to be the 6th man. But we would have a true stretch 4 in every sense of the term. It frees Jimmer to be the backup SG. We keep Cisco to take those backup SG minutes if the opponent is too big/physical. Or if we get Ross, we have a young kid with potential for the spot.

Cousins
Thompson
Salmons
Tyreke
It or Brooks

6th- Bargnani
7th- IT or Brooks
8th- Johnson
9th- Fredette or Ross
10th- Hayes

Cisco
Outlaw
Honeycutt

I dunno. It would balance us out some, have our 3 main scorers each with their own portfolios and ways of working together. Bargs just gives me the willies thoguh. So soft and passionless. Meanwhile we give up two guys who maybe have too much of it/the selfish gene going on. Maybe Bargs and Cuz could rub off on each other though and both emerge as better men.

 

[Tetsujin]

Bargna-no.

The dude is softer than a blankie and is allergic (as in bubble-boy allergic) to the two things that we really need from a big man right now (rebounding and defense). If that trade did wind up becoming a possibility, though, I'd actually be more excited that we'd be getting Ross in the deal than Bargs, who, let's be honest, would probably hurt his wrist signing off on the deal and miss the rest of the season anyways.

Now get me Valanciunas thrown into the deal and then we'll talk.

 

[bajaden]

Bargna-no.

The dude is softer than a blankie and is allergic (as in bubble-boy allergic) to the two things that we really need from a big man right now (rebounding and defense). If that trade did wind up becoming a possibility, though, I'd actually be more excited that we'd be getting Ross in the deal than Bargs, who, let's be honest, would probably hurt his wrist signing off on the deal and miss the rest of the season anyways.

Now get me Valanciunas thrown into the deal and then we'll talk.

Yeah, you and me both would love to have Valanciunas, who is the heir apparent to Bargs. Bargnani would add height, and thats about it. There's no doubt he would help the second unit, and if all I had to give up we Robinson, who isn't producing anything right now, then why not. But with trading Thornton, you giving up potentially 16 to 17 pts per game to aquire the same thing. All your adding is height, and your losing Thorntons toughness.

 

[mac]

Yeah, you and me both would love to have Valanciunas, who is the heir apparent to Bargs. Bargnani would add height, and thats about it. There's no doubt he would help the second unit, and if all I had to give up we Robinson, who isn't producing anything right now, then why not. But with trading Thornton, you giving up potentially 16 to 17 pts per game to aquire the same thing. All your adding is height, and your losing Thorntons toughness.

By "toughness" do you mean his selfish play and insuppressible need to put up a shot every other time he touches a basketball?

 

[panda]

I would like to see Bargs here as well, he still has a lot of upside. He isn't a franchise player, but he wouldn't have that expectation with Cousins next to him. His weaknesses are Cousins strengths and he has a good outside shot.

 

[KingMilz]

I doubt the Raptors would do Ross for both Thronton and T-Rob without Bargs, Ross has been doing good lately and has fairly good upside.

 

[chief bromden]

By "toughness" do you mean his selfish play and insuppressible need to put up a shot every other time he touches a basketball?

Are you talking about Bargnani or Thornton?

In reality, Bargnani isn't very good. His FG% has decreased 4 years in a row, this is the second year in a row with an injury requiring significant missed time, and his 3 point shooting is terrible for a 'stretch' big man. On top of that, his contract is terrible. I rather see Thornton jack up shots with his perpetual angry face.

 

[mac]

Are you talking about Bargnani or Thornton?

In reality, Bargnani isn't very good. His FG% has decreased 4 years in a row, this is the second year in a row with an injury requiring significant missed time, and his 3 point shooting is terrible for a 'stretch' big man. On top of that, his contract is terrible. I rather see Thornton jack up shots with his perpetual angry face.

"Me no get to shoot ball "

 

[Kingster]

I wouldn't make any snap judgements about Robinson at this moment in time. He's not even halfway through his rookie year.

 

[DesertFox]

Thornton essentially becomes 7ft tall for the price of a 5th pick who was losing PT to Chuck Hayes.
Adding Terrence Ross is a bonus.

Barnigani is not a great player, but his size fixes some rotation issues, and maybe even improves the team's efficiency.

 

[ParniValjak]

I would be more interested in Davis.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

Thornton essentially becomes 7ft tall for the price of a 5th pick who was losing PT to Chuck Hayes.
Adding Terrence Ross is a bonus.

Barnigani is not a great player, but his size fixes some rotation issues, and maybe even improves the team's efficiency.

And they are as infatuated with Ross as we are with IT. Not likely. I'd avoid Bargs- seems coddled and delicate. I feel like DMC would eat him alive. I'd much rather get a guy that can rebound AND shoot, like Ilyasova or Anderson, but that ship might have sailed.

 

[The_Jamal]

The guy who thinks Hollinger is a scam artist wants to trade two valauble pieces for an incredibly inefficient, no defense, no rebounding, softie big. Sounds about right

 

[The_Jamal]

And they are as infatuated with Ross as we are with IT. Not likely. I'd avoid Bargs- seems coddled and delicate. I feel like DMC would eat him alive. I'd much rather get a guy that can rebound AND shoot, like Ilyasova or Anderson, but that ship might have sailed.

I was a big fan of signing Ryan Anderson in the off-season. Solid enough defensive player/rebounder and would have provided elite floor spacing for Reke and Cousins.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I would like to add Bargs as well, even though im not particularly fond of his play style. But i think he solves some of our issues... we can bring him or Jt off the bench so our second unit isn't so undersized, which fixes a lot of our rebounding issues, and we add desperately needed outside shooting. I wouldn't want to give up both MT and T-Rob. I think the Raptors are going to have a hard time finding a team that really needs a player like Bargnani. His value is at an all time low and they have been playing very well without him. I'd be willing to take on that contract, but its got to be a steal of a deal for us.

 

[mac]

The guy who thinks Hollinger is a scam artist wants to trade two valauble pieces for an incredibly inefficient, no defense, no rebounding, softie big. Sounds about right

How in the world is Thomas Robinson a valuable piece at this point? Seriously? Has he even shown any glimmer of star potential or this Amare-ness that you seem to be seeing night in and night out?

I'm not saying let's give up on TRob, but I fail to see how his play thus far earns him the label of being a valuable player.

 

[The_Jamal]

How in the world is Thomas Robinson a valuable piece at this point? Seriously? Has he even shown any glimmer of star potential or this Amare-ness that you seem to be seeing night in and night out?

I'm not saying let's give up on TRob, but I fail to see how his play thus far earns him the label of being a valuable player.

valuable piece=/= valuable player. Trob is all about potential right now and some teams are willing to pay a premium price for it (see Jazz, Utah).

Also, you're putting words in my mouth. Countless times this season I've said Robinson needs to pick up his play. He went through a rough 2-3 week stretch and is now finding a way to be valuable and productive again the last few games.

 

[Prince_XY]

I wouldn't make any snap judgements about Robinson at this moment in time. He's not even halfway through his rookie year.

This.

Thornton plus TROB just to have a softie BIG?

Come on now. We are not that nutty. We can do better than this kind of stupid trade.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I WOULD make snap judgements about Trob. I don't know how you can't be more than worried about him at this point.

There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but the idea of 'waiting for someone to show you something' RARELY works. Especially for a fringe star type player - which is exactly what Robinson SHOULD be as a top 5 pick. More often then not, the guys who are good are good right away, or at the very least show major flashes early. Those are the guys that you WORRY about trading because it can come back to bite you, because you've seen the potential there. Robinson has shown nothing. Actually, it's even worse than that. He's shown multiple bad things.

Looking long term - We have Cousins and JT. Barring any setbacks, those are our starting guys in the frontcourt for a long time. If you trade for a proven player like Bargnani, that's you're third long term piece. I'm ok with that.

I'm still interested in Lowry, though. And he has kind of fallen out of favor with the Raptors. Not totally, but they are BAD. Calderon is starting again. Lowry only has one more year left after this one. Maybe they want to restart the rebuild? We can help them.

Bargnani and Lowry for Thornton, Robinson, Thomas, and Garcia (expiring deal) works on the trade machine.

If you consider dealing Bargnani as a 'salary dump' type move, than you're essentially giving up Thornton, Robinson, Thomas, and Garcia for Lowry.

This will clear up a lot of our log jam, and improve our starting unit perimeter defense while somewhat hurting our bench frontcourt defense, but that is far less important.

Lowry/Brooks
Evans/Jimmer
Salmons/Johnson
Thompson/Bargnani
Cousins/Hayes

The bench guards are still not exactly what you want, but I like that team. And with Brooks potentially gone next year anyway - we can replace him with more of a distributor.

I think this makes a ton of sense for the raptors. Maybe this is my Kings goggles coming on, but you get a potential starting PG in Thomas. You get a top 5 pick PF prospect in Robinson. (who could be a good longterm fit next to Valanciunas) You get a great perimeter scorer in Thornton. You get an expiring contract and the ability to use that money in the offseason by dumping Bargnani.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i'd be ok with this trade. i think trob's ceiling is a more athletic carl landry. i love marcus thornton but dude just loves to shoot. he rarely brings it up and tries to run a play. this trade would help balance out the roster. terrence ross has legit size for back court also.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

if you haven't noticed, the Raptors are alot better then Bargnani and the dude is always hurt. why would we want him?