Back-up Point?

[Diabeticwonder]

Obviously, getting rid of Hart has to precipitate any move for a backup pg and chances are slim that Hart is dealt by himself unless it's like one of those Euro soccer trades and we get 100 lbs. of beef for him or something. I would think that Hart would be dealt with either KT or SAR for big.

 

[rings4Kings]

If the new staff holds as high of an opinion of Price, as the old staff did, I don't see us drafting another point guard "with potential." I say sign Bobby, draft a big and send Price to the D-league.

 

[Kings113]

We're not gonna have a rookie as back-up PG. Simple as that. If we did, it'd be Price or a two-way guard. Not a flashy passing, at times wild, project-esque (aka not quite ready for the NBA) PG like Farmar/Ser-Rod, who aren't good on defense (Farmar's good on team d though).

It's just so unlikely for what the Kings ambitions are though.

I also think anyone in my signature would be a good pick at #19. All but Sene/Shawne Williams should be able to come in and contribute right away due to their games and experience, from what I've read, and some of who I've seen.

 

[SacTownKid]

What about David Wesley? He is long in the tooth but is a bit of a combo gaurd with experience and can shoot

 

[Kings113]

I like him as more of a bottom option if we can't get any of the others out there that have been mentioned. He's a shoot first guard, but can handle the ball, is tough, lots of experience, and can play defense. Would be cheap.

 

[walker60]

We're not gonna have a rookie as back-up PG. Simple as that. If we did, it'd be Price or a two-way guard. Not a flashy passing, at times wild, project-esque (aka not quite ready for the NBA) PG like Farmar/Ser-Rod, who aren't good on defense (Farmar's good on team d though).

It's just so unlikely for what the Kings ambitions are though.

I also think anyone in my signature would be a good pick at #19. All but Sene/Shawne Williams should be able to come in and contribute right away due to their games and experience, from what I've read, and some of who I've seen.

At 19, would you really take Gansey or Blalock? They are second rounders...Douby and Brown are shooting guards. We need another shooting guard about as much as we need another undersized PF, although Douby is a decent ball-handler (Brown is not).

Shawne Williams can't even bench press 185 lbs. one time (not a typo), and he plays the same position as our best player. Sene and Diaz could be decent players, but neither has been playing basketball for very long. If you think Sergio is project-esque, it would seem like an eternity waiting for one fo these two to contribute.

Armstrong and Rondo are both athletic players that I wouldn't mind seeing us get, but I really don't see them falling all the way to pick number 19. If they did, I agree, swoop one up. Lowry would be solid as well and I think he'll still be there. Here's my Kings draft board of guys who might still be there at pick 19.

1. Rondo (doubtful he'll be available)
2. Armstrong (same)
3. Sergio (should be there)
4. Lowry (same)


It all depends on who's available at where we pick. Realistically, I'd like to get either Sergio or Lowry. Both can come in and give us 15-20 minutes of solid PG play a night in their rookie seasons. If we did that, it would fix our PG problems and then we could focus all of our attention on getting some bigs with trades and the MLE.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Spanish Chocolate is about 3 years away from contributing...and he really cant play much defense...to call him a project would probably be an understatement. I say draft BIG and sign our PG.

i think we should sign the big (pryz) and draft a F/G. are there any good bigs left at the 19th slot?

 

[SLAB]

I would absolutly LOVE to get Bobby Jackson back at the backup position.

Honestly, both James and Claxton ARE going to demand more than the MLE, and with the way they played off the bench last year, both could potentially be signed to be a contender for the starting job...I see both of them out of the Kings' reach.

Bobby Jackson, on the other hand, may be aging, but he can still play off the bench...Hoping that the inevitable injury bug stays away for a few years, I agree with Brick, and say he can take Price under his wing, and groom him into Bobby Jackson 2...From what I've seen, Price could do that...Plays hard, can shoot out to three, undersized, tough.

I vote Bobby.

 

[Kings113]

Hilton Armstrong or Alexander Johnson would be good at 19, but only think we'd draft Hilton there for a big.

walker60:

I have Blalock down there because we worked him out, and his stock rose lately. Gansey because he also worked out for us, and is a Petrie-type player, also can go in our area of late 1st round. They wouldn't be my top 5 choices, but more near the bottom, and if guys gone that we were to pick, they would be canidates because of their draft situations and with us. I also like both their games, and would bring what we need.

Brown/Douby bring what we need in a combo guard, and are BPA-types at #19 as well. We've worked out Douby, I think, and Brown as well. They'd be sparks off the bench for us. So, that is why I have those guys down.

Shawne Williams I already covered, think he'd be a BPA-type also, and that Petrie would like. He'd be used as a trade asset or slotted in and someone else is moved. Disagree on Diaz, his game is NBA-ready, and I watched Miami regularly this past season. He can go from a lottery pick or a late R1'er to a early R2'er. Would love to see us draft him, he'd be another spark guard.

Rondo/Armstrong are both in our area to pick of 17-20s, so I have them down there. Lowry, ditto.

Ser-Rod, I already covered. Sene I already covered, but to add, he's a type of player that would bring what we need (eventually), hence why I think he'd be a good pick. I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone before we pick anyways.

A rookie back-up PG with what this team wants to do and get back to? I doubt it. If it was, I'd hope and think it'd be a two-way guard. I like any of the 5-6 guys for back-up PG I mentioned. Besides, Petrie's already said he and Muss are actively seeking a back-up for Mike.

 

[Rome]

What about David Wesley? He is long in the tooth but is a bit of a combo gaurd with experience and can shoot

Nah i would rather pass. He doesn't have that desire to win or help a team like he used to back in the day. He can occasionally still shoot but other than that he doesn't really look to score anymore. Plus he's kind of old.

 

[reyes13]

Bobby Jackson's name was in the bee today...any indication? Would love to have him back...but Joel Prysbilla would be nice as well.

 

[CruzDude]

Mike James?? Don't think so. Can't imagine Petrie picking up a PG who has been on 6 teams in only 5 years. Let's wait and see how Ronnie does in summer league and who Kings can invite there.

 

[Kings113]

I just think it's ultimately gonna be a guy with some time in the league.. Petrie/Muss are looking for one starting a few days ago or so.

Mike James has steadily proven himself to be a good guard since his Pistons days. That coming from time with the Pistons, Rockets, Raptors. Also while not as talked about, he was liked a lot in Miami, and one of their top defensive guards.

We won't be able to get him because of his high value. If he was available to us, he'd so be my and a lot others #1 guy to get for back-up PG.

 

[Bricklayer]

Mike James?? Don't think so. Can't imagine Petrie picking up a PG who has been on 6 teams in only 5 years. Let's wait and see how Ronnie does in summer league and who Kings can invite there.

Not sure what that has to do with it -- obviously if he came here we'd sign him to a multiyear (although he was sounding like an idiot earlier int he offseason when he implied he did not want a big long term contract for security).

Best PG available this offseason + would be a dynamic force if he actually accepted a role behind Bibby. But I don't think he would, and certainly not for any reasonable amount of money.

 

[Dime Dropper]

If we could trade Hart for Salim Stoudamire then we would be fine. He'd bring just what we need. But I don't think the Hawks would be stupid enough to trade a promising young PG for Hart.

 

[Amanjoy]

If we could trade Hart for Salim Stoudamire then we would be fine. He'd bring just what we need. But I don't think the Hawks would be stupid enough to trade a promising young PG for Hart.

Salim shoots too much for my liking. I see him as nothing more than an undersized SG. Granted, Bobby isn't your prototypical PG, but whenever he was in the game, he always played within the flow of the offense in the half-court, hardly ever made mistakes in transition, and took good shots, but never too many that it took away from the rest of the team.

Also, for the Mike James lovers out there...he just made some great strides as a starter this year in Toronto...I would think he'd be looking to want starting minutes if he goes anywhere else.

To me all you want from your backup is what I just mentioned. Someone who comes in and can contribute right away on both ends of the floor and even change the flow of the game in a positive way. Bobby brings all of that and more. He did look a little sluggish in Memphis this last year...but so did Bonzi the year before...and he seems to be rejuvanated just a bit. We all know, as does Bobby, that SAcramento was the best situation for Bobby before, and having him come back would probably rejuvanate him for a couple more years into the great player he once was.

 

[KINGS16]

It's harder to get a big guys nowadays than PG so I would suggest we get a big guy through Free Agency (Pryzb) or (Nazr) and draft a PG who can contribute off the bench like a Douby,Lowry, or Sergio. If we accomplish these both in the Off Season. Not only will our team be stronger, it will also give enough rest for Brad and Bibby and they will be able to contribute more because they are not as exhausted night in night out as what happened last year. Also, with these additions, our players can play their natural positions like SAR not having to play center. We don't need to trade anybody if we get these two guys as mentioned. But I wouldn't mind trading Hart and or Kt to get a solid player in return.

 

[Kings113]

I'd be quite surprised if we have a rookie back-up for Mike... Petrie and Muss have already been said twice, to be looking for interior d and a back-up to Mike. With the Kings ambitions and what we want to get back to, can't really see the PG being a rookie.

BOTH can be had through FA AND trades... that's where Petrie does most of his work - trades.

SAR was forced to play center because Rick didn't want to use Skinner or Sampson.

 

[sdballer]

How about a trade like Bibby and the 19th pick for a signed James, Villanueva and the #1? I'm not sure if that we be enough for Toronto but it addresses their needs and we could always through in another piece.

For the Kings it gives them a starting point guard, a promising big and a chance to get a great young prospect while potentially freeing up some salary.

 

[Kings113]

Don't think Toronto does that...

 

[VF21]

How about a trade like Bibby and the 19th pick for a signed James, Villanueva and the #1? I'm not sure if that we be enough for Toronto but it addresses their needs and we could always through in another piece.

For the Kings it gives them a starting point guard, a promising big and a chance to get a great young prospect while potentially freeing up some salary.

Villanueva AND the #1 pick AND Mike James for Mike Bibby? I can't think of a single reason for them to do that. If they want to get rid of Villanueva and the #1 pick, they should be talking to Donnie Walsh about Jermaine O'Neal...

 

[hammystyle]

Villanueva AND the #1 pick AND Mike James for Mike Bibby? I can't think of a single reason for them to do that. If they want to get rid of Villanueva and the #1 pick, they should be talking to Donnie Walsh about Jermaine O'Neal...

I don't think they do that either, but 19 and Bibby for #1 and James would at least be interesting right? James and Bibby had virtually the same offensive stats last year and James has a reputation as a good defender. He also has a reputation as a bit of a knucklehead and only has one year as a full-time top player, but you get Aldridge/Thomas with it too. The upside is you get a player just as good as Bibby, plus the #1, the downside is you get a guy off a career/contract year who turns out to be way worse and then the #1 sucks.

 

[VF21]

Why would Toronto give us the #1 pick for Mike Bibby? They could keep the #1 pick, re-sign Mike James and be much better off, at least as far as future development goes.

 

[BMiller52]

You guys are overrating Mike James. He was in a contract year on a bad team and Bosh got angry with him because he wouldn't pass him the ball. James said things in interviews like "I DON'T CARE IF I PASS THE BALL, I just want to make the big play." "I REALLY BELIEVE the bs coming out of my mouth." His defense is overrated(the raptors were an awful defensive team this year IIRC) and he's a whacko. He doesn't want to pass the ball and he doesn't have the court vision Bibby does. He's not nearly as clutch as Mike Bibby and he's 31 already(will be 32 next season). The raptors don't want him back, Colangelo obviously figured out that he's just a good fantasy bball player. Toronto would probably do that deal if we gave them Cisco but in my personal opinion trading Bibby for the #1 would set us back a couple years. I don't think that's something we need to do. Trade could also hurt the Raptors' future because they'd lose the pick and their cap space.

 

[VF21]

So basically, BMiller52, you're saying it's a dumb trade all the way around?

If so, I think we're really in total agreement although there are some people around here who are stil sold on Mike James...

 

[hammystyle]

Why would Toronto give us the #1 pick for Mike Bibby? They could keep the #1 pick, re-sign Mike James and be much better off, at least as far as future development goes.

Bibby is younger and can contribute for more years as their young team gels, and they don't appear to be totally sold on anyone for the #1 pick. Colangelo saw what bringing in a PG like Nash for the Suns, might try to do something similar. It's all really just hypothetical but the trade would interest me, it could work.

You guys are overrating Mike James....He doesn't want to pass the ball and he doesn't have the court vision Bibby does. He's not nearly as clutch as Mike Bibby and he's 31 already(will be 32 next season). quote]

I didn't say James is better than Bibby, but his offensive numbers were just as good last year (assists too) and he's a better defender. He may be overrated on D (I can't really say), but he's got to be better than Bibby. Him being 31 is pretty valid, but with the shot-blocking, rebounding dynamo we'd get with the first pick we could contend quickly. Like I said, its just interesting to think about, I can see the downside, there's only so many whackos you can have on one team.

Side Note: When does Bibby's "clutch" card expire? In the playoffs he was great in '02, crappy in '03, good in '04, mediocre in '05, and crappy this year, maybe his worst all-around. He was decidedly unclutch on defense in particular.

 

[Kings113]

Mike James is a good defender, it's just in Toronto they didn't play much defense, played uptempo, and Mike had to spend more energy on offense because of his role. He's doing conditioning to improve his shape and energy for the season this summer. To enhance his game more and prepare, for that possible spot.

Whereas with the Heat/Pistons/Rockets, he was a top defender there. Why? Defense was stressed on all those teams, and had defensive-minded coaches. Along with the make-up of those teams where he had a more limited role. Perfect example being in Detroit for LB, he and Hunter were spark guards off the bench who put pressure on the ball and hit some shots. Key to Detroit's championship run and that great bench from 03-04.

Mike James established himself with the Pistons (above), Rockets (deadline trade, much needed bench spark, mavs series), and then of course the Raptors (all-around guard). Steady and well up to this summer.

Go ask on Heat/Pistons/Rockets boards about James, and they'll say similar. Shame I'm not on my regular comp. yet, could show a bunch of other opinions I found on him.

 

[kupman]

All of this said, I am still rooting for Ronnie Price. It is my belief that to be a great franchise you need to be able to find the "diamonds in the rough" once in awhile rather than just seeking already established players. I think we found one two years ago in Kmart and perhaps 2 of them last year with F.G. and Price.

We did not see much of Price last year, but then again, we did not see much of Kmart in his rookie year either. What I did see of him I liked and the reports from practice are very positive. Sure you could get James or someone else, but that means more money and less PT for a guy who could prove to be just as effective with a bigger future. Maybe I should start the first Ronnie Price fanclub.

 

[Kings113]

Highly unlikely we get James because of his value. Also doubt Price becomes the back-up PG unless he really shows well in camp and pre-season. Which would be interesting.

Ultimately, I think it'll be a guy with some time in the league.

 

[ParniValjak]

Mike James is a good defender, it's just in Toronto they didn't play much defense, played uptempo, and Mike had to spend more energy on offense because of his role. He's doing conditioning to improve his shape and energy for the season this summer. To enhance his game more and prepare, for that possible spot.

Whereas with the Heat/Pistons/Rockets, he was a top defender there. Why? Defense was stressed on all those teams, and had defensive-minded coaches. Along with the make-up of those teams where he had a more limited role. Perfect example being in Detroit for LB, he and Hunter were spark guards off the bench who put pressure on the ball and hit some shots. Key to Detroit's championship run and that great bench from 03-04.

Mike James established himself with the Pistons (above), Rockets (deadline trade, much needed bench spark, mavs series), and then of course the Raptors (all-around guard). Steady and well up to this summer.

Go ask on Heat/Pistons/Rockets boards about James, and they'll say similar. Shame I'm not on my regular comp. yet, could show a bunch of other opinions I found on him.

Thats all well and good but as long as Bibby is in Sacramento, Mike James won't be.

James just had a break out season where he put up some legit number and took and made some clutch shots. After a season like that, he will not go to a team where he will be a reserve. Why would he be happy with 20 minutes a night in sacramento when he could be playing 30+ minutes per game with another good team thats in need of a PG.

FWIW, I think James is infinetly better defender than Bibby and almost just as effective on the offensive end. I would love to have him on the Kings but there is no way he comes our way as long as there is a bloke by the name of Mike Bibby who is running the show.

I suspect James might end up on a team like the Pacers or some other team like that. Somewhere where he will be a starter and have a good bunch of players around him.