Avery Bradley Might be Available.

[Gary]

Just about anybody would be better than Smart. Take Tyreke, subtract some athleticism, add some BBIQ, and there you have it - Smart.

I see where you are going with this but it's a bit more than just that. They are totally different players, and I can see Smart working with Avery (although I would rather continue to develop McLemore and have him and Smart in the back court. That could be an amazing defensive back court.

 

[Gary]

Chris Paul? Are you serious or are you trolling? Paul is two inches taller than IT and has 3 inches on him in wingspan, and is STILL undersized for PG. Obviously it helps if you're a HOF talent who also defends, two things IT neither has nor does. Nice try, though.

Barea certainly had a big impact with the Mavs. And guess what? He came off the bench. SHOCK HORROR! Who woulda thunk it? I'm an IT fan and he can be the best 6th man in the league. A starter on a competing team, he is not.

I think he was just answering the question as it was asked. I don't think it was anything to argue about.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I think he was just answering the question as it was asked. I don't think it was anything to argue about.

It's obviously in the context of IT and what he can contribute. There's no point ignoring the context in which the question was asked. Pointing out that CP is undersized and contributing is, at best, intentionally ignorant.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

It's obviously in the context of IT and what he can contribute. There's no point ignoring the context in which the question was asked. Pointing out that CP is undersized and contributing is, at best, intentionally ignorant.

The question asked about "undersized" players and not "5'9" players", so I think Chris Paul is a fair answer. No point in calling people ignorant for answering the question as posed. At any rate, at some point saying Chris Paul doesn't count begins to devolve into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. (The fallacy that goes like this: A: "Her husband couldn't have killed her - no Scotsman could murder his wife!" B: "Gavin McDonald killed his wife back in '97." A: "No TRUE Scotsman could murder his wife!")

One could just as easily say that no 5'9"-or-under player from the University of Washington not named Nate Robinson has ever played four seasons in the NBA - therefore Isaiah Thomas won't play four seasons in the NBA. But I don't think that particular prediction will come true.

Is IT undersized? Yes. Is he more undersized than Chris Paul? Yes. Is it impossible for undersized players to contribute in the playoffs? No. Will IT ever contribute in the playoffs? It remains to be seen. Do people on both sides of the argument get their panties in way too big of a bunch over IT, to the point that any discussion over him becomes instead a useless slinging of vitriol? Umm, yeah.

 

[Dime Dropper]

The question asked about "undersized" players and not "5'9" players", so I think Chris Paul is a fair answer. No point in calling people ignorant for answering the question as posed. At any rate, at some point saying Chris Paul doesn't count begins to devolve into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. (The fallacy that goes like this: A: "Her husband couldn't have killed her - no Scotsman could murder his wife!" B: "Gavin McDonald killed his wife back in '97." A: "No TRUE Scotsman could murder his wife!")

No, because I never said it wasn't a valid answer to the question. Technically, it is. My point was that IT isn't near the talent CP is on either side of the ball, and is even more undersized. So pointing out that CP is undersized and successful in the PO's is kind of pointless when it comes to IT. That was my point. I wasn't saying IT can't succeed because he's undersized, it's that you have to be supremely talented to do it on the big stage as a starter at that size. IT is talented and a good player, but not near that level.

Is IT undersized? Yes. Is he more undersized than Chris Paul? Yes. Is it impossible for undersized players to contribute in the playoffs? No. Will IT ever contribute in the playoffs? It remains to be seen. Do people on both sides of the argument get their panties in way too big of a bunch over IT, to the point that any discussion over him becomes instead a useless slinging of vitriol? Umm, yeah.

Point taken. It's just that one side tends to back up their opinions. The other side, for the most part, tend to drop in an irrational point of view and literally refuse to engage in discussion about it. Repeat cycle. I won't apologise for being sick of it. And it's a shame, because it's clear some people here take out their frustration on IT himself, when he probably doesn't deserve it.

 

[rainmaker]

Chris Paul. And not so long ago, Barea, who was an indispensable part of the Mavs success. Anymore questions?

So, no one within a couple inches of IT's height are doing anything whatsoever in the playoffs. Only name you can even throw out is taller, longer, much better defender and a top 3 PG world wide.

Barea basically had one good postseason, then few suitors afterwards. Bench spark for a non-playoff team is about right for Jose.

IT could be a quality 6th man for a playoff team, but a starter? No. Maybe at some point he'll be lucky enough to do what Barea did in the Finals a few years ago.

 

[macadocious]

Chris Paul? Are you serious or are you trolling? Paul is two inches taller than IT and has 3 inches on him in wingspan, and is STILL undersized for PG. Obviously it helps if you're a HOF talent who also defends, two things IT neither has nor does. Nice try, though.

Barea certainly had a big impact with the Mavs. And guess what? He came off the bench. SHOCK HORROR! Who woulda thunk it? I'm an IT fan and he can be the best 6th man in the league. A starter on a competing team, he is not.

2"?

Um, try 5

 

[CurseOfTheSalmons]

seeing as we now have the 8th pick.

if marcus smart doesn't fall, i would seriously consider trading mclemore for avery bradley and then drafting nik stauskas with the 8th pick.

Avery Bradley / Nik Stauskas
Isaiah Thomas / Ray McCallum

this move shores up the starting 5 defensively and also balances it. the 2 is a great spot to have a sixth man assuming the it-gay-cousins core, and nik stauskas can be that guy! unfortunately these moves might be hard to coordinate because the kings would have to draft stauskas before being able to trade for bradley.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

 

[Big Cuz 15]

no photoshopping done there

 

[Capt. Factorial]

no photoshopping done there

Can't see their legs to see how straight they're standing, either.

This is a very bizarre agenda at any rate. Chris Paul (5'11.75") and Isaiah Thomas (5'8.75") both have official barefoot measurements from the NBA draft combine. Somehow that doesn't stop those who insist on diminishing Thomas relative to the rest of the league. Besides, Thomas has played three years in the league now. We have a pretty darn good idea what he can do on an NBA court, and a pretty darn good idea what he can't do on an NBA court. We already know that his height negatively impacts his defense, and that should be taken into account when assessing him as an overall player. But exaggerating his height doesn't suddenly make him a worse defender. You could try to use any photo angle you want to try to prove he's 5'1", or try to use any photo angle you want to prove he's taller than Chris Paul, or try to use any anecdotal "my friend is X tall and he stood next to Isaiah at Krispy Kreme so..." to challenge the NBA's official measurement. None of that posturing changes his actual height, and none of that changes his actual defensive ability. I don't get why people insist on doing it.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Can't see their legs to see how straight they're standing, either.

This is a very bizarre agenda at any rate. Chris Paul (5'11.75") and Isaiah Thomas (5'8.75") both have official barefoot measurements from the NBA draft combine. Somehow that doesn't stop those who insist on diminishing Thomas relative to the rest of the league. Besides, Thomas has played three years in the league now. We have a pretty darn good idea what he can do on an NBA court, and a pretty darn good idea what he can't do on an NBA court. We already know that his height negatively impacts his defense, and that should be taken into account when assessing him as an overall player. But exaggerating his height doesn't suddenly make him a worse defender. You could try to use any photo angle you want to try to prove he's 5'1", or try to use any photo angle you want to prove he's taller than Chris Paul, or try to use any anecdotal "my friend is X tall and he stood next to Isaiah at Krispy Kreme so..." to challenge the NBA's official measurement. None of that posturing changes his actual height, and none of that changes his actual defensive ability. I don't get why people insist on doing it.

Great post!

 

[Tetsujin]

All of my problems with IT are defense and mentality related rather than height related. Now, whether or not those things are connected is another thing entirely.

 

[Chupacabra]

This guy is a player that adds wins. He doesn't allow his man to have any kind of freedom whatsoever. He applies this kind of defense to either guard position and can even be used as a pressure release valve on offense if he is paired with a pg. I would REALLY like to get him. Sign him and go out and get a mobile shot blocker and I think we sniff the playoffs.

 

[Prince_XY]

Can't see their legs to see how straight they're standing, either.

This is a very bizarre agenda at any rate. Chris Paul (5'11.75") and Isaiah Thomas (5'8.75") both have official barefoot measurements from the NBA draft combine. Somehow that doesn't stop those who insist on diminishing Thomas relative to the rest of the league. Besides, Thomas has played three years in the league now. We have a pretty darn good idea what he can do on an NBA court, and a pretty darn good idea what he can't do on an NBA court. We already know that his height negatively impacts his defense, and that should be taken into account when assessing him as an overall player. But exaggerating his height doesn't suddenly make him a worse defender. You could try to use any photo angle you want to try to prove he's 5'1", or try to use any photo angle you want to prove he's taller than Chris Paul, or try to use any anecdotal "my friend is X tall and he stood next to Isaiah at Krispy Kreme so..." to challenge the NBA's official measurement. None of that posturing changes his actual height, and none of that changes his actual defensive ability. I don't get why people insist on doing it.

Lol.

I guess some people just cannot seem to see that IT is a very big defensive liability no matter good on offense he is. It is so tiring already. That is probably why people deemed it necessary to just point out and exaggerate the most obvious fact that IT is a midget for a PG.

Good point though.

Lol.

Back to Avery Bradley. Do you guys think he can be low-balled to say around 4M because of that recurring shoulder injury?

He is currently listed as taking 2.5m.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i'd take bradley at 2.5m.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Bradley has a qualifying offer for $3.5 million, which the Celtics will undoubtedly offer if they have not done so already. At that point, Bradley will be restricted, with the Celtics likely matching anything reasonable, including any amount the Kings can offer even if IT walks.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

 

[Chupacabra]

Bradley has a qualifying offer for $3.5 million, which the Celtics will undoubtedly offer if they have not done so already. At that point, Bradley will be restricted, with the Celtics likely matching anything reasonable, including any amount the Kings can offer even if IT walks.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

He is no doubt a coveted player. We'd probably have to wait until next year to make an offer he can't refuse assuming that we resign Gay for a more reasonable amount.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

seeing as we now have the 8th pick.

if marcus smart doesn't fall, i would seriously consider trading mclemore for avery bradley and then drafting nik stauskas with the 8th pick.

Avery Bradley / Nik Stauskas
Isaiah Thomas / Ray McCallum

this move shores up the starting 5 defensively and also balances it. the 2 is a great spot to have a sixth man assuming the it-gay-cousins core, and nik stauskas can be that guy! unfortunately these moves might be hard to coordinate because the kings would have to draft stauskas before being able to trade for bradley.

So do you think Boston will now go for it? Or will they want the Smart/Bradley backcourt?

After watching youtube highlights I definitely think he should be our #1 target.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Has Bradley played much point guard in the NBA?

 

[KingMilz]

Has Bradley played much point guard in the NBA?

He sucked as the PG, Jordan Crawford was a far more effective PG, Bradley is a shorter Tony Allen with a nicer jumper, I mean at the right price I would love to have him now that Rudy has opted in. With us drafting Nik and pretty much giving up on Ben I wouldn't mind some sort of trade occurring. Bradley right now at this point in time is a excellent fit on the team when on the floor with Cousins/Gay and hopefully we trade for a defensive PF.

I really think we can get something to help us right now with a Mclemore/Williams (expiring deal) trade combo.

 

[CurseOfTheSalmons]

So do you think Boston will now go for it? Or will they want the Smart/Bradley backcourt?

After watching youtube highlights I definitely think he should be our #1 target.

i think boston would go for it even more than before because smart and bradley are redundant. both are more 6'2 defenders than PGs.

 

[Chupacabra]

He's an absolute defensive stud which means we aren't interested.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

He's an absolute defensive stud which means we aren't interested.

Lets not get carried away. Moute is a defensive stud and they acquired him last summer. Didn't end up keeping him, although in hindsight probably should have

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

With the Celtics interest in IT...and if Rondo is not 'reasonable' for us,...I'd really like to see us get Bradley.

Play him at point guard for defensive purposes and it also allows Ray McCallum to keep developing, because Bradley also plays 2 guard.

Maybe the most likely sign and trade deal is IT for Bradley?

 

[ParniValjak]

Well Celtics apparently reached out to as many as 30 free agents. That tells me that reported interest in IT might not be anywhere near as serious as many are suggesting. Besides, pistons seem to be the front runners here! Seems to me SVG is trying to recreate his Magic team (Howard/Nelson) in Detroit (Drummond/Thomas)

 

[Albatros]

Bradley going back to the C's.

 

[ParniValjak]

4 years $32 million

 

[Bricklayer]

4 years $32 million

my lord

 

[Capt. Factorial]

4 years $32 million

I believe I have said elsewhere to match that 3/$24M offer to IT (if it is truly on the table) and run. Stephenson apparently is not willing to go as low as 5/$44M despite the fact that he has, in the past, shoved his girlfriend down the stairs and then slapped her head into the steps and he still has those crazy eyes that say he's going to do it again.

The market is already ramping up for the new TV deal. Teams are spending because they know they'll get bailed out with the salary cap skyrocketing in the near future. Our options are to pay IT, or hope and pray that Ray McCallum becomes a starting-level PG, and quick. At this point, IT at $8M is a bargain.