Avery Bradley Might be Available.

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Going over some of the local headlines this week, this one obviously caught my attention.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...return-to-4-year-24-million-offer-for-bradley

Long and the short of it: Celtics offered Bradley 4 years, 24 million during the season, and that they won't offer that to him again. Could be posturing, etc.

Anyhow. I want him on the Kings. We all should. I thought this was newsworthy in the sense that he fits a ton of PDA's criteria. Good shooter. Great defender. Above average handle and decent passing for a SG, as he has always been more of a combo guard until this season where he moved to SG full time.

The Kings can't go after Bradley with Thomas and Gay here. What they can do is sign and trade Ben for him. I would. Would you?

Best case scenario is Rudy Opts out, resigns at a lower number, and we have the cap space to target Bradley without moving anyone, but that seems unlikely. We just won't have the room this offseason.

At any rate, if he's available, he's my #1 realistic free agent target for this team. To stimulate discussion, I suppose I should ask how much you'd pay him.

I'd give him 4 years and 24, that is for sure.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Going over some of the local headlines this week, this one obviously caught my attention.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...return-to-4-year-24-million-offer-for-bradley

Long and the short of it: Celtics offered Bradley 4 years, 24 million during the season, and that they won't offer that to him again. Could be posturing, etc.

Anyhow. I want him on the Kings. We all should. I thought this was newsworthy in the sense that he fits a ton of PDA's criteria. Good shooter. Great defender. Above average handle and decent passing for a SG, as he has always been more of a combo guard until this season where he moved to SG full time.

The Kings can't go after Bradley with Thomas and Gay here. What they can do is sign and trade Ben for him. I would. Would you?

Best case scenario is Rudy Opts out, resigns at a lower number, and we have the cap space to target Bradley without moving anyone, but that seems unlikely. We just won't have the room this offseason.

At any rate, if he's available, he's my #1 realistic free agent target for this team. To stimulate discussion, I suppose I should ask how much you'd pay him.

I'd give him 4 years and 24, that is for sure.
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trade landry 4 him. similar contract
 
would be very interested in him if we miss out on marcus smart, because i think ben mclemore's defense was our biggest weakness.
 
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Yeah way too small for a SG. All his hype was tied to him playing PG. 6-7 million a year is too much and no way is he worth someone with Bens potential.
 
If Ben's Ceiling is higher than 15 PPG on .400 3 point shooting, and elite level defense, then we truly have something special.

He's a younger Afflalo, who has a little more versatility defensively because he can guard the point guard if that is a teams #1 option. He's not where Afflalo is offensively yet, but he's 23 .. and made a major jump this season.

I've watched nearly every game of Bradley's career. His size hasn't been an issue guarding 1's or 2's. If a team is going to start an absurdly sized shooting guard in the mold of Kevin Durant in his rookie season, McLemore isn't guarding that guy either.
 
Lindsey Hunter, Toney Douglas, Randy Brown...

you know, I would like to have a guy like on the team, and we precisely need to add 2 or 3 impact defenders to inspire and show the way to the rest. Go for the miracle Brian Grant/Animal Smith, Chrsitie/BJax leadership effect. But as a starting SG? Longterm? Big money? I almost need to see Reke back at the PG, or Marcus Smart, in order to believe it can work. Of course then we get to the drab offense problem. But at least there he knows his limitations and is a solid off the ball player with cuts and spotups.
 
With two bigger point guards in Smart and Exum in his draft right around our pick, and the Kings appearing ready to move on from IT ... the big point guard + Bradley thing isn't all that hard to see.

Also worth mentioning that Livingston is a free agent this offseason.

All that being said, and it could all be for show, but the Kings office seems absolutely obsessed with be McLemore. It's beyond the point of objectivity, and it worries me that they will hang on to the hope that he will be somebody way longer than they should. They seem like a group of guys who will wait to the bitter end to admit that they were wrong.
 
Bricklayer said:
Lindsey Hunter, Toney Douglas, Randy Brown...

you know, I would like to have a guy like on the team, and we precisely need to add 2 or 3 impact defenders to inspire and show the way to the rest. Go for the miracle Brian Grant/Animal Smith, Chrsitie/BJax leadership effect. But as a starting SG? Longterm? Big money? I almost need to see Reke back at the PG, or Marcus Smart, in order to believe it can work. Of course then we get to the drab offense problem. But at least there he knows his limitations and is a solid off the ball player with cuts and spotups.
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Bingo. That would probably be one of the best defensive backcourts in the NBA (Smart is and will be a better defender than Reke), though a little undersized. I'm not sure if Smart is a realistic option as PDA said he wants shooting and playmaking, only one of which Smart provides at the moment. But Smart is the type that could really impress at a workout with his athleticism, size and game type. So who knows. It's well documented that I'm a fan of Smart and thinks he has big potential at the next nevel.
 
Bradley has had exactly 0 issues guarding the SG position. In fact, he made an All-Defensive team guarding the SG position. Dude is flat out a stud defensively. He's far ahead of the likes of Lindsey Hunter and Toney Douglas types.

I haven't watched many Celts games this year, but was pleased and surprised to see his offensive numbers where they were. They were Ben Wallace esq the previous season and he was much more manageable this year. You all want a 3 and D guy? Welp... Doesn't get much better than Avery Bradley. In fact, he's going to be THE 3 and D guy on the perimeter as guys like Thabo and Tony Allen get older.

My only concern would be his health. He's missed far too many games for my liking being so young.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
With two bigger point guards in Smart and Exum in his draft right around our pick, and the Kings appearing ready to move on from IT ... the big point guard + Bradley thing isn't all that hard to see.

Also worth mentioning that Livingston is a free agent this offseason.

All that being said, and it could all be for show, but the Kings office seems absolutely obsessed with be McLemore. It's beyond the point of objectivity, and it worries me that they will hang on to the hope that he will be somebody way longer than they should. They seem like a group of guys who will wait to the bitter end to admit that they were wrong.
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Aha, beat me to it. The beauty of Bradley is his defensive versatility on PGs and SGs. It's a tremendous asset to have. Very few in the NBA have that level of defensive versatility anymore. I think about a team like OKC where you can use Bradley on Westbrook and hide your PG on Thabo.
 
One thing I will say on the injury front is that, at least in terms of this season, was that the Celtics handled his injury like a team who wanted to keep him out for tanking purposes, and to lower his value when they have to resign him. I can see Bradley potentially being upset with Celtics lowball offers because of this.

It was a circus this year. Every week a report would come out that he was ready to go, then they'd hold him out again .. it went on and on and on to the point where the media here couldn't bring up the Bradley 'injury' without mentioning the tank job. It was the same thing with Rondo not being 'allowed' to play back to backs. Celtics might have been the most obvious tankers this year outside of the 76ers.

And then they come back and tell Bradley they wont offer him the 4 yr, 24 million dollar contract again? that's gotta sting.
 
Bricklayer said:
Golly gosh sure would be nice to have a 6'5" power PG to put next to Bradley to make it work... :p
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malone would be crying with happiness....thats like a dream combination...ahh damn you petey...and instead of ben we trade back and grab tony snell and gorgui dieng...DAMN YOU PETE
 
I'm not opposed to Bradley. He's a good defensive player. But Smart and Bradley would quickly devolve the offense into a mud hole.
 
Kingster said:
Just about anybody would be better than Smart. Take Tyreke, subtract some athleticism, add some BBIQ, and there you have it - Smart.
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Right, exactly what I thought. IT, an undersized chucker who can't guard SGs (or anyone for that matter), makes more sense next to an undersized combo guard, more than say a big, physical PG who can guard either guard position. Makes sense as always, Kingster. You're certainly not biased.

Smart is not the same as Tyreke. It makes sense that you'd hate Smart though, given how mind-bogglingly stupid your views on Tyreke were.
 
Dime Dropper said:
Right, exactly what I thought. IT, an undersized chucker who can't guard SGs (or anyone for that matter), makes more sense next to an undersized combo guard, more than say a big, physical PG who can guard either guard position. Makes sense as always, Kingster. You're certainly not biased.

Smart is not the same as Tyreke. It makes sense that you'd hate Smart though, given how mind-bogglingly stupid your views on Tyreke were.
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I think you've been wrong about IT for nearly three years now. It takes you a long, long time to wise up.
 
Kingster said:
I think you've been wrong about IT for nearly three years now. It takes you a long, long time to wise up.
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And what have I been wrong about? Care to tell me what my opinion of IT is? You haven't a clue. You drop in inflammatory BS and run a mile when people provide evidence that you're wrong. Not surprising given that you are incapable of valuing anything apart from scoring.
 
I have a question. Can you name the "Undersized" players that are making substantial contributions in the NBA Playoffs this year? I watch these games and marvel at the squads these successful GM's have assembled.

KB
 
Dime Dropper said:
How does that work? I suppose you think IT would be a better fit next to Avery than Smart?!
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This myth that Bradley is any sort of liability at SG needs to die. I'd only take Tony Allen as a SG defender over him in the entire NBA and I think Bradley has just as much versatility as he does to guard multiple positions.
 
King Baller said:
I have a question. Can you name the "Undersized" players that are making substantial contributions in the NBA Playoffs this year? I watch these games and marvel at the squads these successful GM's have assembled.

KB
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Chris Paul. And not so long ago, Barea, who was an indispensable part of the Mavs success. Anymore questions?

Now, I'll ask you a question: How many busts in the NBA have there been at guard who are 6'3" and over?
 
Kingster said:
Chris Paul. And not so long ago, Barea, who was an indispensable part of the Mavs success. Anymore questions?

Now, I'll ask you a question: How many busts in the NBA have there been at guard who are 6'3" and over?
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Chris Paul? Are you serious or are you trolling? Paul is two inches taller than IT and has 3 inches on him in wingspan, and is STILL undersized for PG. Obviously it helps if you're a HOF talent who also defends, two things IT neither has nor does. Nice try, though.

Barea certainly had a big impact with the Mavs. And guess what? He came off the bench. SHOCK HORROR! Who woulda thunk it? I'm an IT fan and he can be the best 6th man in the league. A starter on a competing team, he is not.
 
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