AV from the Cavs wants out
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Aileen Voison doesn't like Cleveland???
/sarcasm off
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
I would love to have him, but just what would you have to give up to get him. First he needs to be signed by Cleveland in order to be traded. Also remember, your talking about a second round pick that hasn't been in the league very long. I'm not saying he could'nt be what were looking for, but I think the jury is still out.
=LarryLegend=
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if we get rid of kenny and we get other expirings back I would be interested.
i am not a big fan of his. maybe a 1 year deal, cavs would have to include their pick, i think it will be around number 20.
I personally would rather have Gooden! atleast he is avg a dbl dbl. and in game shape!
i am not a big fan of his. maybe a 1 year deal, cavs would have to include their pick, i think it will be around number 20.
I personally would rather have Gooden! atleast he is avg a dbl dbl. and in game shape!
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CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Other problem with A.V. is he wants $10m but is only worth the mid-level or maybe $6m at most. Plus he wants 5 yr+ and Cavs offered him $6m and 4 yr and he turned it down. Nope. Not for his conditions. For mid-level maybe but don't think we even have that this year. I'm willing to wait and see how Kings come together in next 10-12 games.
8, 9, 10 Million for Varejao? Over five years? Take the guy's career stats and extrapolate to 35 minutes - he'll get you 10 points, 10 rebounds, 1 block and 1 assist. All while shooting under 60% from the line. His per-minute career numbers are very close to KT's. We're already overpaying a guy who does little other than rebound...why try with another?
EXACTLY Just say no to this jack face known as Side Show Bob.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
agreed! we need to shed some contracts not add some more-
Agreed...and I do mean maxed at this level.
BawLa
Starter
What if....
we overpayed Varejao to get a good deal done.
Cleveland
OUT: Varejao*, Snow, Newble, Simmons, 2008 #1 pick
*S/T @ $9M/3yrs and maybe a TO for a 4th year
IN: Bibby, Thomas
New Lineups:
Cleveland:
Bibby/Gibson/Hughes
Pavlovic/Jones/Brown
James/Nichols
Gooden/Marshall/KT
Ilgauskas/Jones
Why they do it: Clevleand has been interested in Bibby for a while now, and Bibby is probably the best return they could get for a frustrated Varejao. We even take Eric Snow off of their hands and all they have to do is deal with KT. (The same trade could be re-worked with SAR if they prefer him)
Sacramento:
Udrich/Snow/Douby
Martin/Salmons
Artest/Garcia
Varejao/Moore/Williams/Simmons
Miller/Hawes/SAR
Note: waive Newble since he is expiring
Why we do it: Varejao becomes the rebounding PF we have needed all along, and overpaying for him doesn't hurt as much because we are only doing it for 3 years, the same length of KT's contract. We basically tack on $1.2 M onto Kenny's contract and get a PF that is actually usable. Simultaneously, we turn Mike Bibby into a draft pick while cutting his contract in half (Snow). Snow doesn't really do much except provide some veteran leadership for a young group of guards and he can give you some defensive minutes. Simmons is a developing defensive presence, essentially replacing Watkins. In case if Varejao never lives up to his contract, we get that #1 pick to secure our investment.
Thoughts?
we overpayed Varejao to get a good deal done.
Cleveland
OUT: Varejao*, Snow, Newble, Simmons, 2008 #1 pick
*S/T @ $9M/3yrs and maybe a TO for a 4th year
IN: Bibby, Thomas
New Lineups:
Cleveland:
Bibby/Gibson/Hughes
Pavlovic/Jones/Brown
James/Nichols
Gooden/Marshall/KT
Ilgauskas/Jones
Why they do it: Clevleand has been interested in Bibby for a while now, and Bibby is probably the best return they could get for a frustrated Varejao. We even take Eric Snow off of their hands and all they have to do is deal with KT. (The same trade could be re-worked with SAR if they prefer him)
Sacramento:
Udrich/Snow/Douby
Martin/Salmons
Artest/Garcia
Varejao/Moore/Williams/Simmons
Miller/Hawes/SAR
Note: waive Newble since he is expiring
Why we do it: Varejao becomes the rebounding PF we have needed all along, and overpaying for him doesn't hurt as much because we are only doing it for 3 years, the same length of KT's contract. We basically tack on $1.2 M onto Kenny's contract and get a PF that is actually usable. Simultaneously, we turn Mike Bibby into a draft pick while cutting his contract in half (Snow). Snow doesn't really do much except provide some veteran leadership for a young group of guards and he can give you some defensive minutes. Simmons is a developing defensive presence, essentially replacing Watkins. In case if Varejao never lives up to his contract, we get that #1 pick to secure our investment.
Thoughts?
beb0p
Starter
There are at least three reasons why this deal will not happen:
1) AV wants a 6-year deal. He may settle for five, but three + TO? Just don't see it happening.
2) The Cavs will never throw in their #1 pick for Bibby and KT.
3) The Cavs, who is over the luxury tax, will be taking on an extra $10 millions in salary. Which means an extra $10 millions in tax. Which comes to $20 millions. Just check who their owner is and read today's news on the housing market and you'll see this deal would give a certain Cav owner a heart attack.
rhythmless
Starter
i do not want AV. he doesnt seem to be that smart of a cookie.
to ask for 10mil, and stick to that area for the entire offseason, is pure idiocy. people who overvalue themselves like that are those that always have a sense of entitlement. he has shown nothing to warrant anywhere near 10, or even 8 million, save for he is a rather large body.
to put it simply, hes as ilogical as sprewell, and i hope he ends up the same. he turned down a good amount of money, and to play with lbj, and now look where he is. why would anyone want to pay 10 million for a guy who's forte is flopping?
to ask for 10mil, and stick to that area for the entire offseason, is pure idiocy. people who overvalue themselves like that are those that always have a sense of entitlement. he has shown nothing to warrant anywhere near 10, or even 8 million, save for he is a rather large body.
to put it simply, hes as ilogical as sprewell, and i hope he ends up the same. he turned down a good amount of money, and to play with lbj, and now look where he is. why would anyone want to pay 10 million for a guy who's forte is flopping?
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
he's definitely not worth as much as he's asking for. if varejao isn't in our long term plans.. why get him? it seems as we are just reshuffling the deck here.
BawLa
Starter
In AV's defense, he played well in the PO's.
In PO's:
22.4 Min, .511 FG%, .563 FT%, 1.05 Stl, .6 Blk, 6.0 Rebs, 6 Pts
Per 48: 12.9 Pts, 2.25 Stl, 1.3 Blk, 12.9 Rebs
His #'s for the regular season were pretty much identical. And keep in mind he was competing with Big Z and Gooden for rebounds -- two guys who averaged double doubles. On our team, he would have virtually no competition for rebounds and would probably average closer to 15 in 40 minutes. He can play some defense and doesn't need the ball. Plus he is still 25, so by the time we are competing again he will still be productive.
So many people want a guy like David Lee and here is an opportunity. Of course Lee has some more offensive potential, but he isn't even obtainable. Here is a chance to get a guy that would really help our team out on the glass, and he wouldn't cost us any of our young talented core.
In PO's:
22.4 Min, .511 FG%, .563 FT%, 1.05 Stl, .6 Blk, 6.0 Rebs, 6 Pts
Per 48: 12.9 Pts, 2.25 Stl, 1.3 Blk, 12.9 Rebs
His #'s for the regular season were pretty much identical. And keep in mind he was competing with Big Z and Gooden for rebounds -- two guys who averaged double doubles. On our team, he would have virtually no competition for rebounds and would probably average closer to 15 in 40 minutes. He can play some defense and doesn't need the ball. Plus he is still 25, so by the time we are competing again he will still be productive.
So many people want a guy like David Lee and here is an opportunity. Of course Lee has some more offensive potential, but he isn't even obtainable. Here is a chance to get a guy that would really help our team out on the glass, and he wouldn't cost us any of our young talented core.
nbrans
All-Star
The tricky thing with a S&T is that Verejao would immediately become a BYC player. It could definitely be possible to make a S&T trade happen that includes Bibby, but Cleveland is probably going to need to somehow take back a big man, and I'm not sure that the privilege of overpaying Verejao is worth giving away Bibby.
And it makes a lot less sense now that we just signed Mikki Moore, which makes it reason #2,782 why that was such a stupid signing.
And it makes a lot less sense now that we just signed Mikki Moore, which makes it reason #2,782 why that was such a stupid signing.
I don't think we should throw 10 million at him for 6 years, but I think we should be watching this situation to possibly unload one of our aging PF's when the time is right. I wouldn't mind "swapping" one of our MLE guys for this kid at all. He will bring something that this team needs bad on the interior...that's hustle (which doesn't show up in the stats category.)
Varejao wants out of Cleveland
Restricted free agent seeks trade after deal impasse
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/11/26/cavs.varejao.ap/index.html
CLEVELAND (AP) -- Free agent Anderson Varejao, who helped Cleveland make its first NBA finals last season, has grown so frustrated with stalled contract talks that he no longer wants to play again for the Cavaliers.
Varejao, a frizzy-haired forward who sparked the Cavs last season with his hustle and hard-nosed play, said he hasn't been treated fairly by Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry and would prefer to be traded.
"I wanted to come back. I love the fans and I really love my teammates," Varejao told ESPN.com in a phone interview from Brazil. "But there are others there that have made it very difficult.
"It's gotten to the point that I don't want to play there anymore. I'm just hoping for a sign-and-trade at this point."
With his agent, Dan Fegan, and Ferry at an impasse over a long-term contract, Varejao has stayed home to work on his game.
In his third season, the 25-year-old averaged 6.8 points and 6.7 rebounds last season. But beyond those stats, Varejao led the league in drawing charges as one of the NBA's top reserves and became a favorite with Cleveland fans who appreciated his recklessness on the floor.
....
None ever came, and Varejao's camp began talks with the Cavaliers about a long-term deal. Fegan initially asked in late September for a reported six-year deal worth more than $60 million, a price the club felt was way too high for a backup big man with limited offensive skills.
Ferry refused to overpay for Varejao because adding another huge contract could inhibit the team's future plans to add players as complementary pieces around superstar forward LeBron James.
Before training camp opened, Varejao turned down the club's one-year, $1.2 million qualifying offer. If he had signed that deal, the former second-round pick could have become an unrestricted free agent after this season.
Varejao said he'd sign a one-year deal so he can play this season. But the Cavs don't want to give away their leverage and risk seeing him walk away without getting anything in return.
In late October, a six-year, $52 million package loaded with incentives was presented by Fegan and rejected by the Cavs.
In his interview with ESPN.com, Varejao said reports that he's asked for $10-11 million a season "aren't true."
....
Restricted free agent seeks trade after deal impasse
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/11/26/cavs.varejao.ap/index.html
CLEVELAND (AP) -- Free agent Anderson Varejao, who helped Cleveland make its first NBA finals last season, has grown so frustrated with stalled contract talks that he no longer wants to play again for the Cavaliers.
Varejao, a frizzy-haired forward who sparked the Cavs last season with his hustle and hard-nosed play, said he hasn't been treated fairly by Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry and would prefer to be traded.
"I wanted to come back. I love the fans and I really love my teammates," Varejao told ESPN.com in a phone interview from Brazil. "But there are others there that have made it very difficult.
"It's gotten to the point that I don't want to play there anymore. I'm just hoping for a sign-and-trade at this point."
With his agent, Dan Fegan, and Ferry at an impasse over a long-term contract, Varejao has stayed home to work on his game.
In his third season, the 25-year-old averaged 6.8 points and 6.7 rebounds last season. But beyond those stats, Varejao led the league in drawing charges as one of the NBA's top reserves and became a favorite with Cleveland fans who appreciated his recklessness on the floor.
....
None ever came, and Varejao's camp began talks with the Cavaliers about a long-term deal. Fegan initially asked in late September for a reported six-year deal worth more than $60 million, a price the club felt was way too high for a backup big man with limited offensive skills.
Ferry refused to overpay for Varejao because adding another huge contract could inhibit the team's future plans to add players as complementary pieces around superstar forward LeBron James.
Before training camp opened, Varejao turned down the club's one-year, $1.2 million qualifying offer. If he had signed that deal, the former second-round pick could have become an unrestricted free agent after this season.
Varejao said he'd sign a one-year deal so he can play this season. But the Cavs don't want to give away their leverage and risk seeing him walk away without getting anything in return.
In late October, a six-year, $52 million package loaded with incentives was presented by Fegan and rejected by the Cavs.
In his interview with ESPN.com, Varejao said reports that he's asked for $10-11 million a season "aren't true."
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
With his asinine contract demands, I'm not sure I'd even want him at this point. If you could get him signed to something reasonable...sure. It would reopen the Bibby possibility with the player we should have been after from the start (it would also turn us into the #1 floppiest team in the history of the league, which would be disgusting, but that's another issue). But if the rumors about the money he wants are true...yech.
Uh, hello? Let's see....
>$60 million divided by six. What is >$10 million a year, Alex?
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
This is an excellent response...IMO. Players who overvalue themselves (what a nice way to say "overinflated ego") cause a lot of trouble. As time goes by, they usually cause even more trouble for the team/franchise/fans.
I DO NOT want him.
That's about the most we should offer is a Garcia/SAR or Douby/KT. I'd say KT 1st, but with how SAR has fallen apart at this point in his career, it's a close call. The point is we have a jam at the PF position with too many over the hill "NBA Veterans"
(K9, SAR, Moore). Adding Side Show Bob to the mix with Williams and Hawes would be a pretty exciting young front court...that is if we didn't just sign Moore in the off-season (K9 & SAR were too much already). Also with Brad hopefully keeping his fitness throughout the season, we could have some fun. It just stinks when GP keeps spending the MLE on over the hill guys. Salmons was o.k. given the Bonzi fiasco, but SAR and Moore...come on.
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