Vlade4GM
All-Star
A lot of assumptions there. Chances are there will be a whole lot of smoke and not much fire.
A lot of assumptions there. Chances are there will be a whole lot of smoke and not much fire.
nbrans
All-Star
Ah, yeah, because I've been on board with so much this past year, what with my hating the Moore signing and the Hawes pick and calling Geoff a seat of the pants GM who, while mostly making good individual decisions, isn't committing to a long term plan. You are clearly able to divine my horribly biased perspective out of the mix of pros and cons I'm spouting all over the board.
So yeah, way to make the personal out of something completely obvious, namely that Petrie could have traded Artest at the deadline for pennies on the dollar (and in fact many of us advocated the same), he didn't, it was a gamble, it worked out (or rather is looking more likely that it could work out). Yay.
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nbrans
All-Star
Possibly, yeah. Still, looks like a good situation on paper. We shall see.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think we have rather just added three full posts of making it personal to what was initially a 16 word clause likely read right over by anyone not familiar with the Geoff debates.
And there is nothing to actually celebrate yet -- in fact at the moment we have a disgruntled nutter who just reupped and is threatening to be on the team again. There is, however, opportunity. I wouldn't bother with this thread if I did not think there was.
Edit -- obviously that last is in response to something that you edited out of your post.
And there is nothing to actually celebrate yet -- in fact at the moment we have a disgruntled nutter who just reupped and is threatening to be on the team again. There is, however, opportunity. I wouldn't bother with this thread if I did not think there was.
Edit -- obviously that last is in response to something that you edited out of your post.
Rockmeister
All-Star
Man, I sure hope you are right.
Kingfanpaul
Starter
Just possibilties that we have created. I still don't think Artest's trade value is very high. At the deadline we could not get anything good, could not even get Kleiza. I don't think we can magically score Thorton now.
T4L3NT3D530
G-League
i think its possible. the clips are obviously in a win now mode...
hammystyle
Starter
We were really close to getting Kleiza and Thornton is basically the same guy so why not?
Besides in Denver Artest would've duplicated Anthony's position and another lunatic to the asylum. So it was a really risky move. He makes WAY more sense in terms of oncourt skills to LA and their roster is filled with solid guys (so one weirdo won't kill them). Kaman's weird too I guess, but not in a disruptive way.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
I hate the lakers but the idea of Artest +1 for Lamar Odom doesn't seem to go away. I like it if only it wasn't the Lakers. Odom, Thompson, Hawes are 3 bigs who can run-run-run and score. Beno and Kevin can run. But if Odom is the 3 Salmons whines on the bench again tho' he could if he really tried be an awesome bench guy with Cisco, Ewing and Singletary... 
Entity
Hall of Famer
Most of that had to do with the opt out. Who wants to trade for a guy that you only have for 3 months then he leaves you with nobody to show for it.
ForlornKing
Starter
I'm sorry but no way Clips do the Thorton deal. Their FO is very hiiiigh on him.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's true, but if they bring back Brand and trot out Baron, Brand, and Kaman, they might suddenly get very hiiiigh on the idea of a Baron/Artest/Brand/Kaman quartet and possible contention rather than just makng the playoffs. 3 20pt scorers and all the post play and muscle you could ever want.
LoungeLizard
Starter
Assuming Brand comes back to the Clips.....looks like GS wasn't happy with Baron leaving and are looking for payback. They are prepared to offer a max deal.
http://mobile.latimes.com/news.jsp?key=168091&rc=sp
hammystyle
Starter
Then we wouldn't have Hawes, who's the most valuable of the the three assets mentioned.
I agree......Thornton is a nice prospect, but Artest's defensive abilities would be HUGE for them and would make them legit contenders if things mesh right. Imagine them against the Lakers. Brand outmuscling Gasol, Kaman and Bynum fighting to a standstill, Baron DOMINATING the PG matchup, and maybe the premiere wing defender in the league muscling up with Kobe. Gun to my head I'd still pick the Lakers, but that would be a hell of a tough matchup for them. Same type of physicality and defense of the Celtics, but probly lacking the go-to consistency of a guy like Pierce (unless BD really goes off). I just can't picture them being that mix with Thornton instead.
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Vlade4GM
All-Star
Well it's not like Thornton is years away or anything, he averaged 16 and 6 post all-star.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I hate the lakers but the idea of Artest +1 for Lamar Odom doesn't seem to go away. I like it if only it wasn't the Lakers. Odom, Thompson, Hawes are 3 bigs who can run-run-run and score. Beno and Kevin can run. But if Odom is the 3 Salmons whines on the bench again tho' he could if he really tried be an awesome bench guy with Cisco, Ewing and Singletary...
You and I are pretty much in agreement on most things, but from what I've heard from people, Salmons really isn't a whiner. He's very respected by his teammates and he is just as befuddled by his play off the bench as everyone else is. It is highly possible that his problem is psychological. There are people that are terrible practice players and great game players. Either way the result is the same. I just hate to think of people comparing him to Kenny Thomas as a sulker if thats not the case.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I don't think thats the point of the discussion. Were talking about trading Artest, not who we should have drafted a year ago. I, for one am happy up to this point with who we chose. Ask me in a couple of years.
Agreed. That would be a great situation for Ron too considering he and Elton are really good friends. Baron/Gordon/Artest/Brand/Kaman is 1 of the best starting 5s in the league, with Knight/Mobley/Jordan off the bench.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Now the unfortunate downside -- if history is any guide, you are far FAR smarter than Elgin Baylor.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
You might be right. He might be traded. He certainly should be traded. I doubt, however, that this happens at the 11th hour just at the trade deadline. I don't think the deadline plays in favor of Petrie. I think it plays in favor of the acquiring team who will give us virtually nothing in order for us to get rid of him. If we get a good young player or a 1st rounder higher than 11, I will be surprised. Any team that takes Artest knows they are going to be rolling the dice, bigtime. So if they have throwaway players, sure, they might give it a roll, especially if they are in a situation in which it's "now or never". But I don't think they give anything valuable for him. We saw what happened last year with what Denver offered.
Bballkingsrock
All-Star
I dont really like Al Thronton. He is mainly know for athleetiscm but, he cant shoot the ball at all and at the SF position, you need to spread the floor.
He can jump out of the building, but I dont know if we need somebody like that. Not a great PF either for his under size. Plus, Elton might go to the Warriors and Maggette to Spurs, so they might need him for insurance.
He can jump out of the building, but I dont know if we need somebody like that. Not a great PF either for his under size. Plus, Elton might go to the Warriors and Maggette to Spurs, so they might need him for insurance.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
He's good value, and he's young.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Actually, Thornton isn't as young as some suspect. He'll be 25 before the end of this year. If possible, I'd rather get someone or something else (draft pick/expiring contact) for Artest who isn't just another swingman and definitely hope to package one of the Kings dead weight PFs in the trade.
anafree
Prospect
What about trade Artest+ Miller trade to Miami for Marion? We can receive superstar, that we luck all time from C-Webb trade.It's clear that next season we can make in a best case only 3 in division. With or without Ron-ron. At least Spens and Thompson will receive playing time.
From other side Miami after draft Beasley much more need in SF and C, and stay only decent PG before can make a run with Artest and Brad.
From other side Miami after draft Beasley much more need in SF and C, and stay only decent PG before can make a run with Artest and Brad.
nbrans
All-Star
Ailene Voisin says everyone expects Petrie to trade Artest, but not until Beno officially signs. She mentions Lakers, Miami Heat, Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks as possibilities.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013679.html
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013679.html
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