Artest trade stuff HERE!! (merged)
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And it is clear to see that most vocal proponents of this trade are Peja haters. I'm sorry, but calling out for trade for personal betterment reasons, just after you sat out a season because of a suspension is not a TEAM player in my opinion.
Peja is far from the cause or solution for our problems, but just like Webber last year, he is easiest one to blame (especially since he has been here the longest without anyting to show for).
I would appreciate your comment more if it was made directly out of appreciation for Artest and not directly out of spite for Peja.
And with that said I do agree that Peja should be either traded right now or do a sign and trade, because it would be the best in our interest to start looking at differnet options, but in my opinion (and that's all it is) Artest is not that next best option.
Now if VF21's multi player trade could be pulled off to get KG over there, than we would be talking about a good trade for us
Peja is far from the cause or solution for our problems, but just like Webber last year, he is easiest one to blame (especially since he has been here the longest without anyting to show for).
I would appreciate your comment more if it was made directly out of appreciation for Artest and not directly out of spite for Peja.
And with that said I do agree that Peja should be either traded right now or do a sign and trade, because it would be the best in our interest to start looking at differnet options, but in my opinion (and that's all it is) Artest is not that next best option.
Now if VF21's multi player trade could be pulled off to get KG over there, than we would be talking about a good trade for us
DeAtHrOw said:
I believe it's your "buddy" Mike who said he wanted to be a leader. Great job he's done so far
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh after hearing the Reggie quotes-a former teammate of Artest-I'm not so sure I want him here. If we trade for Artest that means we want to win the chip within the next 2 years I'm guessing. Which really isn't happening because our defense needs to get a lot better. We'd need a Rasheed wallace type of player, and I really doubt we're getting Rasheed Wallace... let alone Rasheed AND Ron. If Reggie's comments are true though and Artest does have a negative trade value then, Geoff should throw out an offer of Garcia+Martin+a pick+kenny for ron. Reggie said they might want young guys anyways... Then we'd have Peja+Reef to deal for a defensive big man... of course none of this is going to happen so I should stop speculating RIGHT NOW.
I highly doubt Artest will ever run into the stands again. He was suspended 73 games for it, imagine what the penalty would be for a second offense (probably a lifetime ban). As strange as Artest is, he loves basketball and I don't think there's anyway he'd take that risk. We can't act like it's a common occurence for him to assault fans. Even Shaq said that he would've done the same thing if he had gotten hit by a foreign object from the stands.
Also, don't underestimate how good Adelman is at handling these problematic players. Look at Bonzi, both Portland and Memphis had enough of him before he came to Sactown. I think the Kings have the perfect offense for Artest. There'd be plenty of freedom and flexibility unlike under the micromanaging Carlisle. Plus, Artest would have plenty of chances to get more shots and take over as a #1 since no current King has cemented that status.
Also, don't underestimate how good Adelman is at handling these problematic players. Look at Bonzi, both Portland and Memphis had enough of him before he came to Sactown. I think the Kings have the perfect offense for Artest. There'd be plenty of freedom and flexibility unlike under the micromanaging Carlisle. Plus, Artest would have plenty of chances to get more shots and take over as a #1 since no current King has cemented that status.
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vj9999 said:
And it is clear to see that most vocal proponents of this trade are Peja haters. I'm sorry, but calling out for trade for personal betterment reasons, just after you sat out a season because of a suspension is not a TEAM player in my opinion.
Peja is far from the cause or solution for our problems, but just like Webber last year, he is easiest one to blame (especially since he has been here the longest without anyting to show for).
I would appreciate your comment more if it was made directly out of appreciation for Artest and not directly out of spite for Peja.
And with that said I do agree that Peja should be either traded right now or do a sign and trade, because it would be the best in our interest to start looking at differnet options, but in my opinion (and that's all it is) Artest is not that next best option.
Now if VF21's multi player trade could be pulled off to get KG over there, than we would be talking about a good trade for us
Peja is far from the cause or solution for our problems, but just like Webber last year, he is easiest one to blame (especially since he has been here the longest without anyting to show for).
I would appreciate your comment more if it was made directly out of appreciation for Artest and not directly out of spite for Peja.
And with that said I do agree that Peja should be either traded right now or do a sign and trade, because it would be the best in our interest to start looking at differnet options, but in my opinion (and that's all it is) Artest is not that next best option.
Now if VF21's multi player trade could be pulled off to get KG over there, than we would be talking about a good trade for us
Where do you get that I'm a Peja hater? That is far from true, I'm a hater of the Kings group dynamic. I like Peja and if he got traded to the Pacers I would love to watch him every chance I could. As a matter of a fact I think him getting traded to the Pacers would be great for him, he would be on a contender and a team that he could be better utilized. He would get much better open looks because they have slashers and a solid big guy to suck in the defense.
My statements aren't out of hate for Peja or love for Artest, they are out of love for the Kings. IMO this could be one of the best players to solve some of the Kings problems, he is maybe the best defender in the league and can put up 20 a game. And I think you would have your head in the sand to think that Peja wasn't part of the Kings problems. The Kings need tough, physical, athletic players because they really have only one in Bonzi. Not that Artest would be the answer to all the Kings problems but he would be the second big step in the right direction, Bonzi being the first.
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He was suspended 73 games and the team stood by him and he turns around and stabs them in the back. He is more interested in himself and his misspelled "label" than basketball.
You cannot say Shaq or anyone else would have done the same thing. Shaq took a swing at Miller once, but that is a HUGE leap to say he would go into the stands to beat up a fan who did absolutely nothing to him. I don't see it - he's a sworn peace officer, after all.
Adleman couldn't get Massenburg on the same page, how is he going to deal with the TO of basketball?
I love Artest's talent, but the guy is a flippin fruitcake upstairs.
You cannot say Shaq or anyone else would have done the same thing. Shaq took a swing at Miller once, but that is a HUGE leap to say he would go into the stands to beat up a fan who did absolutely nothing to him. I don't see it - he's a sworn peace officer, after all.
Adleman couldn't get Massenburg on the same page, how is he going to deal with the TO of basketball?
I love Artest's talent, but the guy is a flippin fruitcake upstairs.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38290/20051213/walsh_on_artest_he_said_hed_go_anywhere/
This still doesn't rule out Peja.
I just can't see the Knicks trading away Frye (14-18 FGs, 30 pts, 7 boards, 2 blk last night), maybe Ariza/Lee though. Lee's a real good big, and one that they need (rebounder, hustler, defender, under the basket). Nate Robinson as expected became an instant fan favorite and has been great for them, recently getting the starting spot.
This still doesn't rule out Peja.
I just can't see the Knicks trading away Frye (14-18 FGs, 30 pts, 7 boards, 2 blk last night), maybe Ariza/Lee though. Lee's a real good big, and one that they need (rebounder, hustler, defender, under the basket). Nate Robinson as expected became an instant fan favorite and has been great for them, recently getting the starting spot.
Read what I said. Shaq SAID HIMSELF that he would've done the same thing. I remember him saying that after the brawl happened. You can believe me or not, but I'm not making some huge leap assuming that Shaq would've done it. I'm just going by what I remember him saying.
Who cares about Massenburg? I think he just wanted to play more anyways. But Adelman has gotten through to Bonzi. It looks like Artest's primary problems are his role in the offense. Due the Kings style of play, something tells me that wouldn't be a problem here.
Who cares about Massenburg? I think he just wanted to play more anyways. But Adelman has gotten through to Bonzi. It looks like Artest's primary problems are his role in the offense. Due the Kings style of play, something tells me that wouldn't be a problem here.
I think some guys said they would do the same thing because they had a little solidarity with a fellow basketball player, not because they would actually go up and beat the tar out of an innocent fan. I look at Shaq's actions, and by all accounts he is good with the fans - he's always good for a quote, but he's never (IIRC) done anything to put the fans down (or physically hurt them).
Massenburg was a bit of a head case, too, and we had to drop him. Adleman is a "player's coach", but that doesn't mean you can take any idiot player that doesn't put his team as the top priority and put him under Rick and they'll be singing "We Are the World" after every practice. Yes Bonzi has been great, but it's only been 20 games. Massenburg was not once his minutes diminished. RA isn't a miracle worker, you know, and Artest has a history of not being a great lockerroom guy. This latest event was, as mentioned previously, the straw that broke the camel's back. That's not a one-time thing.
Massenburg was a bit of a head case, too, and we had to drop him. Adleman is a "player's coach", but that doesn't mean you can take any idiot player that doesn't put his team as the top priority and put him under Rick and they'll be singing "We Are the World" after every practice. Yes Bonzi has been great, but it's only been 20 games. Massenburg was not once his minutes diminished. RA isn't a miracle worker, you know, and Artest has a history of not being a great lockerroom guy. This latest event was, as mentioned previously, the straw that broke the camel's back. That's not a one-time thing.
That's right twist the facts. Should I call you Michael Moore?? He was provoked multiple times. Do I think what he did was right, no. But, it has been reported he has been absolutely no problem with the coaches or teammates this season thus far. He's been more social, and has built relationships on and off the court with his teammates. He hasn't gotten in one referee's face. He just doesn't like Carlisle's system, and the way he coaches. He wants to continue to be tough but be allowed to score more. If you can't get along with Rick's layed back style, you can't along with anyone. Also, the Princeton offesnse will definitely give him the opportunity for scoring. As for someone who says we don't need another person to score. If you trade Peja you do.
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Easy because I'm including injuries into that equation. Webber was very consistent when he was on the floor, but he was always injured. Bibby hasn't had near as many injury problems, and was always more reliable in big games. By no means am I saying that he is better than Webber, as a matter of a fact he isn't near as good now that Webber is gone. Webber made everybody on the team better and is very missed.
And he will be provoked again. Look at one post from a Pacer's fan:
So who's gonna throw their beer at Artest when he comes in for a visit? Maybe I should start saving my quarters to hurl at him.
from naptownmenace here: http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16743
Go through and read some more there about how well loved this "ultimate team player" is.
During Isiah's last season I blamed him for Ron's behavior - thought he was too easy on him in the press, griping about his suspensions, saying that he loved his passion for the game, always saying he shouldn't be suspended for his latest tirade.
It wasn't until the "rest me so I can promote my album" deal last year that I changed my mind on that and decided that Ron's just a nutcase.
I could see the Kings doing the same to keep him happy, and it didn't work for the Pacers, did it?
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Donnie took Artest over Brad because he felt Ron Ron would be better in the long run for the team, and he would have been right if Ron Ron would have been right - in the noggin.
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Sounds like everyone is really fed up with Ron..it really is the last straw.
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I like that patience was given to Artest by the team. He is obviously not willing to change so it's time to move on. Adios Ron.
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Ron's jersey should be retired, and hanging from Conseco's rafters TOMORROW!
With him still wearing it of course.
And this is from just ONE THREAD there.
You think people won't try the same trick later (throwing stuff at him) now that you know he can be goaded into insanity?
Look at VF21's post for a dose of reality:
Before you actually anoint him St. Ron, you might want to spend some time at www.PacersDigest.com Read the thoughts of the people who have watched him, have defended him time and time again, etc. The fans who have paid hard-earned money for season tickets in Indiana and then watched as their season hopes were flushed because Artest went nuts and attacked a fan.
You don't even know at this point if he'll even show up for the game. He might have another rap album to record or he might just decide to take a few days off for some phantom injury the doctors can find no trace of...
If you're going to talk about Artest, you need to at least be willing to face the reality of the situation.
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8861&page=28
Everyone is enamored with the talent but not looking at the player.
So who's gonna throw their beer at Artest when he comes in for a visit? Maybe I should start saving my quarters to hurl at him.
from naptownmenace here: http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16743
Go through and read some more there about how well loved this "ultimate team player" is.
During Isiah's last season I blamed him for Ron's behavior - thought he was too easy on him in the press, griping about his suspensions, saying that he loved his passion for the game, always saying he shouldn't be suspended for his latest tirade.
It wasn't until the "rest me so I can promote my album" deal last year that I changed my mind on that and decided that Ron's just a nutcase.
I could see the Kings doing the same to keep him happy, and it didn't work for the Pacers, did it?
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Donnie took Artest over Brad because he felt Ron Ron would be better in the long run for the team, and he would have been right if Ron Ron would have been right - in the noggin.
and:
Sounds like everyone is really fed up with Ron..it really is the last straw.
and:
I like that patience was given to Artest by the team. He is obviously not willing to change so it's time to move on. Adios Ron.
and:
Ron's jersey should be retired, and hanging from Conseco's rafters TOMORROW!
With him still wearing it of course.
And this is from just ONE THREAD there.
You think people won't try the same trick later (throwing stuff at him) now that you know he can be goaded into insanity?
Look at VF21's post for a dose of reality:
Before you actually anoint him St. Ron, you might want to spend some time at www.PacersDigest.com Read the thoughts of the people who have watched him, have defended him time and time again, etc. The fans who have paid hard-earned money for season tickets in Indiana and then watched as their season hopes were flushed because Artest went nuts and attacked a fan.
You don't even know at this point if he'll even show up for the game. He might have another rap album to record or he might just decide to take a few days off for some phantom injury the doctors can find no trace of...
If you're going to talk about Artest, you need to at least be willing to face the reality of the situation.
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8861&page=28
Everyone is enamored with the talent but not looking at the player.
I didn't even read what the pacers fan had to say. I don't care what they have to say. They are pissed, because they are about to lose one of the top 2 players on that team. It's bitterness.
Artest is crazy not stupid. He knows if he were to ever do anything like that again, he's going to be thrown out of the NBA. He's not about to kill the cash flow that let's him floss like he wants.
Artest is crazy not stupid. He knows if he were to ever do anything like that again, he's going to be thrown out of the NBA. He's not about to kill the cash flow that let's him floss like he wants.
I think Pacer fans are the most informed fans there are about Artest. Obviously, you disagree. Whatever. I, personally, would look at their opinions of him to see how some of the other "best fans in the NBA" feel about him before making a decision to support getting him in a trade.
I think he is impulsive and self-obsessed and not devoted to the game, not stupid. Either will get you in a lot of trouble, as you can see by his past actions.
I think he is impulsive and self-obsessed and not devoted to the game, not stupid. Either will get you in a lot of trouble, as you can see by his past actions.