Artest trade stuff HERE!! (merged)
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10 days for Walsh to make a deal for Artest, according to Ric Bucher, just said on SC. Bucher mentioned Sac and Peja, and mentioned Miami, but said (of course) Indy not likely to make a deal with another top (I think) east team/rival.
Don't see them dealing him to Miami at all.
Don't see them dealing him to Miami at all.
I say why not. If it doesn't work out then atleast he's a good trade piece and you KNOW there'll be a team willing to take a gamble on him. Better than Peja walking atleast. Also I would like to point out that-Ron Artest is not a BAD PERSON. I read the article Kennadog put about Ron Artest's life-he hasn't been violent lately. When his wife or fiance or whatever hit him he didn't hit her back. He's not a bad person guys, if he comes here I just want you all to give him a chance.
BMiller52 said:
It's NOT a choice between a Peja-Artest trade and Peja walking, no matter what some here might want to think. It's only December. The trade deadline is Feb. 24, 2006. That leaves a LOT of time for Petrie to find the right deal for Peja, if that's what he's going to do. He pulled the trigger on the Webber deal at the last moment because they were really worried they wouldn't get any other offers, if numerous rumors are to be believed. That wouldn't be the case with Peja. He does have market value, and there will be offers coming Petrie's way, if there haven't been already. Petrie is NOT going to let Peja walk for nothing.
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DirkAB
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VF21 said:
There is absolute no way that Peja will ever be traded for anybody more valuable than Ron Artest, he's possibly a top 10 talent in the league. I'm not even saying that it is a possible trade, who knows if Bird even wants Peja, but he does you almost have to do the trade IMO. If you wait to trade for somebody else later in the season who could you possibly get in return that is anywhere near as good as Artest? And for $7 mil as season he is by far the best bargain in the league. I just hope if the offer is on the table for Petrie he takes advantage of it this time.
VF21 said:
The million dollar question is what can the Kings get for Peja?
If Petrie's afraid to take a chance on Artest then who's he going to get instead that has anywhere near that kind of talent?
I think that whenever you have the chance to get a huge talent that it's worth taking the risk.
Diabeticwonder
Bench
The only way that Petrie takes a chance on Artest is if he and the Maloofs agree to keep Adelman here all year. Rick has a talent for helping NBA misfits fit in and behave better than they have in the past. No way do you bring in Artest and give him to a new coach.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Diabeticwonder said:
I would agree with that. If you did get Artest, I think a major component of making it work might be Rick. It is his greatest strength as a coach. And chaotic players like Bonzi or Artest are prone to flying out of control if the situation around them deteriorates into chaos itself.
CreeksideBaller
Bench
HAHA today me and my friend were talking about Artest getting traded, and he said the Ron Artest is as good as Stephon Marbury.
::shakes head::
::shakes head::
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DirkAB
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BMiller52 said:
No doubt about it.
Padrino
All-Star
Bricklayer said:
this is something i hadnt considered. if RA is fired, and a coach from outside the organization (as in, not a part of adelman's staff) is hired, it could have serious reprecussions on bonzi's production. RA made him feel very welcome, and all signs indicate the two seem to get along well. i'd be more worried about the effect it could have on wells' minutes, but we're really not deep enough at the SG for that. just thought i'd throw another monkey wrench out there. just speculating, cuz i really like bonzi. i would hate to see his production decrease as the result of a coaching change.
AleksandarN
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Here listen to Reggie Miller on this matter
http://prometheus.able-towers.com/~m...ggieartest.mp3
That alone should tell people why we should not trade for him. Listen to what he is saying about Pedja going to Pacers for Ron. This should really end the debate. Reggie pretty much soms up Artest right there. Man Artest is a real head case. He even thinks that they will not any real trade value. He is not worth Pedja in my books.
http://prometheus.able-towers.com/~m...ggieartest.mp3
That alone should tell people why we should not trade for him. Listen to what he is saying about Pedja going to Pacers for Ron. This should really end the debate. Reggie pretty much soms up Artest right there. Man Artest is a real head case. He even thinks that they will not any real trade value. He is not worth Pedja in my books.
From ESPN Insider:
"According to Geoff Petrie, the Kings and Pacers have not discussed any deal involving Artest and Kings forward Peja Stojakovic. "We don't have any trade discussions going on with anybody at the present time," Petrie told the Sacramento Bee. Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, also said he had "no knowledge" of dealings between the Kings and Pacers."
What's wrong with you Petrie??????????
First you trade away Webber for 3 overpriced pieces of garbage while the panzi Peja gets to stay. It becomes "his" team. Judging from his play ever since, it really looks like he wants it to be the man. <Sarcasm>
Then you don't even inquire about getting a top 10 talent who only has 3 years on his contract for your free agent to be softie. Who do you expect to get in return that's anywhere near that talent level????
Hopefully that's all posturing since nothing is done yet, but maybe it's time to get a different GM if Petrie is unwilling to do this. I know alot of you are unwilling to take the chance on Artest, but Petrie has put himself in this situation. He's the one who got nothing in return for the franchise player, did nothing except getting Bonzi as the team got weaker in the offseason. Petrie owes it to the Kings to take the chance on Artest.
Wake up Geoff!!!!
"According to Geoff Petrie, the Kings and Pacers have not discussed any deal involving Artest and Kings forward Peja Stojakovic. "We don't have any trade discussions going on with anybody at the present time," Petrie told the Sacramento Bee. Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, also said he had "no knowledge" of dealings between the Kings and Pacers."
What's wrong with you Petrie??????????
First you trade away Webber for 3 overpriced pieces of garbage while the panzi Peja gets to stay. It becomes "his" team. Judging from his play ever since, it really looks like he wants it to be the man. <Sarcasm>
Then you don't even inquire about getting a top 10 talent who only has 3 years on his contract for your free agent to be softie. Who do you expect to get in return that's anywhere near that talent level????
Hopefully that's all posturing since nothing is done yet, but maybe it's time to get a different GM if Petrie is unwilling to do this. I know alot of you are unwilling to take the chance on Artest, but Petrie has put himself in this situation. He's the one who got nothing in return for the franchise player, did nothing except getting Bonzi as the team got weaker in the offseason. Petrie owes it to the Kings to take the chance on Artest.
Wake up Geoff!!!!
DocHolliday
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Yeah I love Petrie. I couldn't see having another GM. I think we're pretty lucky considering some of the GM nightmares you hear about. I wouldn't want to get rid of him. My only criticism of him is his loyalty to Peja. That may be his one weakness, and be a big problem for us in regards to Peja.
What if Peja walks for absolutely squat at the end of the year?? Then what would all you Peja supporters say about doing this trade?? Is getting a top 10 player with an attitude, better than letting Peja go for absolutely nothing if we don't match his salary?
My big fear is we end up with no other options to fill his shoes, so the Kings cough up what ever money to match what he's being offered. I know he's not restricted, but he has said he wants to finish his career as a king. So, if he does then he would give the Kings the opportunity to match. Although Mike Lamb seems to think that he really doesn't want to be here, and he wants a change of scenery.
What if Peja walks for absolutely squat at the end of the year?? Then what would all you Peja supporters say about doing this trade?? Is getting a top 10 player with an attitude, better than letting Peja go for absolutely nothing if we don't match his salary?
My big fear is we end up with no other options to fill his shoes, so the Kings cough up what ever money to match what he's being offered. I know he's not restricted, but he has said he wants to finish his career as a king. So, if he does then he would give the Kings the opportunity to match. Although Mike Lamb seems to think that he really doesn't want to be here, and he wants a change of scenery.
DocHolliday
Starter
kennadog said:
Ok so in your case, you'd rather have possibly Francisco Garcia *which is a decent player* or some other middle of the road guy with experience walk in and replace Peja next year than a top 10 player. Sorry I don't follow the logic. It makes no sense. Artest is underpaid for his talent, possibly he has brought that on himself with his past. Nonetheless this trade is there for the taking. You have to pull the trigger on it. If Petrie and the Maloofs don't do this, this is the first steal they've missed out on.
I think alot of pro traders are speaking out of spite for Peja's sub par performance of last year and early this year.
Honestly, Peja is the most logical choice for the trade because of his expiring contract, but I don't think that swapping Peja for Artest would be the solution for any of our problems.
Artest might give it all on the court, but I seriously have to question if it is for the better of the team or for the selfish reason. We need a team player and not someone who will disrupt our already shaky chemistry.
Webber was not happy at first when he came here, but Webber is not Artest. Webber has common sense (and a smile to kill
). I don't see Artest coming here and being a happy camper. He might try for a while, but if things are not going his way I easily see him losing interest and demanding to move on again.
The difference between Peja's trade request last summer and Artest's request is that Peja, although maybe unhappy at the time, cited teams best interest. Artest is selfishly doing it all for himself and not for the team.
I pass.
Honestly, Peja is the most logical choice for the trade because of his expiring contract, but I don't think that swapping Peja for Artest would be the solution for any of our problems.
Artest might give it all on the court, but I seriously have to question if it is for the better of the team or for the selfish reason. We need a team player and not someone who will disrupt our already shaky chemistry.
Webber was not happy at first when he came here, but Webber is not Artest. Webber has common sense (and a smile to kill
). I don't see Artest coming here and being a happy camper. He might try for a while, but if things are not going his way I easily see him losing interest and demanding to move on again.The difference between Peja's trade request last summer and Artest's request is that Peja, although maybe unhappy at the time, cited teams best interest. Artest is selfishly doing it all for himself and not for the team.
I pass.
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DeAtHrOw
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Team Dime said:
I believe it's your "buddy" Mike who said he wanted to be a leader. Great job he's done so far
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DirkAB
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vj9999 said:I think alot of pro traders are speaking out of spite for Peja's sub par performance of last year and early this year.
Honestly, Peja is the most logical choice for the trade because of his expiring contract, but I don't think that swapping Peja for Artest would be the solution for any of our problems.
Artest might give it all on the court, but I seriously have to question if it is for the better of the team or for the selfish reason. We need a team player and not someone who will disrupt our already shaky chemistry.
Webber was not happy at first when he came here, but Webber is not Artest. Webber has common sense (and a smile to kill
The difference between Peja's trade request last summer and Artest's request is that Peja, although maybe unhappy at the time, cited teams best interest. Artest is selfishly doing it all for himself and not for the team.
I pass.
Who do you want? The nice guy who plays soft all the time or the guy with attitude that plays hard all the time? I'll take the guy who plays hard.
BTW one could very easily make an argument that Peja is a more selfish team player because of far less effort and a similar trade request. How can anybody call Artest selfish for a trade request and not Peja? Talk about a double standard!
Another thing Artest has never been bad for team chemistry, he is nothing but a team player that gives it his all. Nobody should ever describe his game as selfish, he is nothing but a solid teammate. The players, coaches, and fans can count on Artest to play hard and play team ball every game, which is a lot more than I can say about Peja.
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DirkAB
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DeAtHrOw said:I believe it's your "buddy" Mike who said he wanted to be a leader. Great job he's done so far
Yup blame it on Bibby, the most consistent player the Kings have ever had on their team.
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DeAtHrOw
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$100 says that the same people screaming for Artest now will be the first ones to call for his head if he does something stupid in Sacramento.
Guaranteed.
Guaranteed.
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DeAtHrOw
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DirkAB said:
Yup, consistent just like his defense
DocHolliday said:
No, again, being anti-Artest does not mean "keep Peja after the trade deadline". It just means no Peja for Artest.
There's a BIG difference. I don't want a TO who assaults fans and isn't dedicated to basketball on this team, no matter how talented he is.
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