Artest trade stuff HERE!! (merged)

[piksi]

And it's a guarantee he won't repeat those actions, or he will be tossed out of the NBA.

did not stop him the first time

 

[DirkAB]

I think Pacer fans are the most informed fans there are about Artest. Obviously, you disagree. Whatever. I, personally, would look at their opinions of him to see how some of the other "best fans in the NBA" feel about him before making a decision to support getting him in a trade.

I think he is impulsive and self-obsessed and not devoted to the game, not stupid. Either will get you in a lot of trouble, as you can see by his past actions.

And what seems to be the consensus about Peja? You act like he is so valuable and everybody is making offers for him left and right. If you haven't noticed there are a number of teams going after Artest that are more than willing to take a chance on him. So if he does cause problems and doesn't work out he would be easily traded. If they have the chance at a Artest/Peja trade and pass, the Kings will never have a chance at getting as much in return for Peja again.

 

[DocHolliday]

did not stop him the first time

You'll never get tossed out of an entire the league for doing something like this the first time.

 

[G_M]

So if he does cause problems and doesn't work out he would be easily traded.

Depends what type of "problems" you are talking about. A serious problem and he's out of the league. Not sure what the salary implications for the team would be if he is kicked out of the league..

 

[DirkAB]

You are right about "IMO" thing.

Would love to get an explanation how Bibby is going to get past Webber on that list. Well, there would be even more players on the list after Webber and before Mike but let's just focus on one at the time .

BTW who else besides Webber is ahead of Bibby on this list? Instead of disagreeing making sarcastic comments or asking for an explanation of an opinion and then not responding, how about you offer up your opinion?

 

[piksi]

You'll never get tossed out of an entire the league for doing something like this the first time.

just suspended for a season - no biggie

 

[DocHolliday]

And what seems to be the consensus about Peja? You act like he is so valuable and everybody is making offers for him left and right. If you haven't noticed there are a number of teams going after Artest that are more than willing to take a chance on him. So if he does cause problems and doesn't work out he would be easily traded. If they have the chance at a Artest/Peja trade and pass, the Kings will never have a chance at getting as much in return for Peja again.

That's my exact point. If something is going to possibly happen with Peja, do it now. You'll never get someone this good in Artests salary range to trade for again when it comes to Peja. Either that or let him walk for someone who has a buttload of money to throw at him for a max deal.

An article says that if we were to give up Peja we'd have to get someone way more reliable? Who else is out there that we can get it Peja's salary range?? Hell Peja isn't even that reliable night to night at times.

 

[piksi]

BTW who else besides Webber is ahead of Bibby on this list? Instead of disagreeing making sarcastic comments or asking for an explanation of an opinion and then not responding, how about you offer up your opinion?

Vlade for once

 

[vj9999]

If you haven't noticed there are a number of teams going after Artest that are more than willing to take a chance on him. So if he does cause problems and doesn't work out he would be easily traded.

So you are saying on the next team if he screws up again, they will have no problems trading him?! I highly doubt that.

 

[Burrito06]

This made me laugh. I got it from PacersDigest.com


Re: Peja
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordecaii
I'm pretty sure some of his disappearing in the playoffs is due to the other team shutting him down because they know he's pretty much the biggest threat on Sacramento...


Yeah, its not like they have any other good players.

I mean, Bibby, B.Miller, hell, they are just scrubs.....

 

[Warhawk]

And what seems to be the consensus about Peja? You act like he is so valuable and everybody is making offers for him left and right. If you haven't noticed there are a number of teams going after Artest that are more than willing to take a chance on him. So if he does cause problems and doesn't work out he would be easily traded. If they have the chance at a Artest/Peja trade and pass, the Kings will never have a chance at getting as much in return for Peja again.

Peja? Depends on who you ask. I don't see an awful lot of support for Artest by the organization, players, or fans right now, as he has worked over the entire community. Congratulations!

I have not seen any public offers for Artest yet, so I cannot judge the quality being offered in return. It really doesn't matter to me, either. I do not want a TO on this team.

Easily traded? If he decides to "take time off to promote his label" or barge into the stands again? If his presence causes the locker room to fracture and this team REALLY tanks? Just how tradable do you think he'd be?

And how do you know what the Kings could get for Peja in the future? What if he starts playing like he did when Webber was hurt? You honestly think he wouldn't be valuable, expecially in a multi-player deal? Come on. Even now a lot of teams would love to have his outside shooting on their team.

 

[DirkAB]

Vlade for once

Care to explain or offer up any logic as to why you think that Vlade was more consistent? Or do you think Bibby has been inconsistent and why?

 

[piksi]

Care to explain or offer up any logic as to why you think that Vlade was more consistent? Or do you think Bibby has been inconsistent and why?

Let me see;

Missed one or 2 game max.

Look at the record with him in the lineup.

Leadership

His unselfishness (and DC) made this team work

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Mike Bibby owes 2/3 of his salary to Chris Webber

 

[DirkAB]

Peja? Depends on who you ask. I don't see an awful lot of support for Artest by the organization, players, or fans right now, as he has worked over the entire community. Congratulations!

I have not seen any public offers for Artest yet, so I cannot judge the quality being offered in return. It really doesn't matter to me, either. I do not want a TO on this team.

Easily traded? If he decides to "take time off to promote his label" or barge into the stands again? If his presence causes the locker room to fracture and this team REALLY tanks? Just how tradable do you think he'd be?

And how do you know what the Kings could get for Peja in the future? What if he starts playing like he did when Webber was hurt? You honestly think he wouldn't be valuable, expecially in a multi-player deal? Come on. Even now a lot of teams would love to have his outside shooting on their team.

There is a better chance of Artest suffering a career ending injury than him jumping into the stands. And if he does jump into the stands the Kings won't have to worry about trading him because he will be out of the NBA for good. As far as him "causing another locker room fracture," he never did in the first place. He is well liked by his teammates in Indiana and they don't want him to go. You act like him and TO are guilty of the same things, two totally different situations.

 

[Kings113]

There is a better chance of Artest suffering a career ending injury than him jumping into the stands. And if he does jump into the stands the Kings won't have to worry about trading him because he will be out of the NBA for good. As far as him "causing another locker room fracture," he never did in the first place. He is well liked by his teammates in Indiana and they don't want him to go. You act like him and TO are guilty of the same things, two totally different situations.

Indeed.

 

[DirkAB]

Let me see;

Missed one or 2 game max.

Look at the record with him in the lineup.

Leadership

His unselfishness (and DC) made this team work

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Mike Bibby owes 2/3 of his salary to Chris Webber

His salary and him being overpaid have nothing to do with consistancy. He's always been huge when it counted and was more reliable game to game than Webber and Divac, but he needed those two players to be as good as he was. Bibby owes a lot of his success to Vlade and Webber as does Peja, but Bibby has always been the player that the Kings turn to when it is all on the line. So his clutchness and steady play put him at the top of the list IMO.

 

[Warhawk]

As far as him "causing another locker room fracture," he never did in the first place. He is well liked by his teammates in Indiana and they don't want him to go. You act like him and TO are guilty of the same things, two totally different situations.

Have you even read any of the comments by JO? Basically, "We don't want him here".

"I'm not going to answer any more questions about Ron Artest," he said. "Ron doesn't want to be here, so Ron doesn't matter anymore."

And from Walsh:

"He's always living down his past in this franchise, and so are we," Walsh said. "So I do think it's a time to kind of break apart and see if he can get a new start somewhere else. I think it's very important for us to put our past behind us and to stop these distractions so that what I think is a fine basketball team can go on."
He added Artest's desire to move on wasn't the only factor involved.
"This is kind of the last straw of a lot of issues," Walsh said.



and Jackson:

"I think it shocked us all," Jackson said. "Ron's his own man. You really can't tell what's going through his mind ... I'll see him down the line, I'll still give him a hug and still tell him he's my boy."

Not exactly ringing endorsements, you know.

He is more interested in other things than being a good teammate and helping the team win. Same with TO, who is more interested in TO instead of music like Artest. Very similar.

 

[LPKingsFan]

^I'm for trading Peja and Artest and I'm a Peja-defender, and there are quite a few people Peja disappoints who are against the trade. I don't think you can really lump the people who are for or against this trade into pro-Peja or anti-Peja categories.

Thank you. This polarizing crap has gone too far and has innundated this site with a good amount of bull**** instead of the rational discussion most of us are accustomed to.

 

[DirkAB]

Have you even read any of the comments by JO? Basically, "We don't want him here".

"I'm not going to answer any more questions about Ron Artest," he said. "Ron doesn't want to be here, so Ron doesn't matter anymore."

And from Walsh:

"He's always living down his past in this franchise, and so are we," Walsh said. "So I do think it's a time to kind of break apart and see if he can get a new start somewhere else. I think it's very important for us to put our past behind us and to stop these distractions so that what I think is a fine basketball team can go on."
He added Artest's desire to move on wasn't the only factor involved.
"This is kind of the last straw of a lot of issues," Walsh said.



and Jackson:

"I think it shocked us all," Jackson said. "Ron's his own man. You really can't tell what's going through his mind ... I'll see him down the line, I'll still give him a hug and still tell him he's my boy."

Not exactly ringing endorsements, you know.

He is more interested in other things than being a good teammate and helping the team win. Same with TO, who is more interested in TO instead of music like Artest. Very similar.

Those aren't damning statements, and the fact that they came after he requested a trade says it all. It isn't like all three of those guys weren't completely happy with him as their teammate before he requested a trade. Not one person is saying good riddance are they? It is more like the PC things to say like, if he doesn't want to play here then he should go. What else did you expect them to say after he was placed on the innactive list? BTW Jackson also said he hates to see him go, but that wasn't included.

All those comments are in regards to his trade demand, how about something that relates to his past? Since his past is so checkered you would think you could easily find something from a teammate, but I bet you don't find anything because everybody knows he plays harder than anybody else on the team.

 

[Kings113]

NY Times - Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh told the media that the Knicks were not one of the many teams that contacted the Pacers about acquiring Ron Artest. The Pacers' disgruntled star is on the inactive list and the trading block after demanding to leave Indiana. Artest recently said his preference would be to go to New York but then said he would go to any of the other 29 NBA clubs, as long as he could leave his baggage behind in Indiana.

The Knicks' president of basketball operations Isiah Thomas is said to be keeping an eye on these developments even if he has yet to come in with the team's bid.

"I've heard from 15 or 16 teams, but the Knicks were not one of them," said Walsh. "There were some offers that were interesting."

It is believed that surging rookie Channing Frye would entice the Pacers but that MSG management considers Frye an untouchable. Whether the Knicks will make an alternative offer -- and exactly what that package of talent would be -- remains an unknown.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38304/20051214/knicks_hold_back_offer_on_artest_as_half_the_league_calls_pacers/

 

[SacTownKid]

If NY offers Frye they should take it. NY shouldn't offer Frye though.

 

[Sirius]

You just want him so badly that you'd be like a little kid at Christmas if he was picked up. I don't see how anyone can say that he won't explode again. You can't guarantee anything with a mentally unstable individual. That's why they are called unstable.

 

[Kings113]

Yet, has been fine since the brawl.

 

[Team Dime]

If we trade for Artest and he suddenly decides after awhile that he doesn't want to play for us anymore then it'll be just like what we have now with Peja in the 2nd half.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

If we trade for Artest and he suddenly decides after awhile that he doesn't want to play for us anymore then it'll be just like what we have now with Peja in the 2nd half.

Atleast you get one half out of Peja.

 

[Team Dime]

Atleast you get one half out of Peja.

There's potential for much more out of Artest. Faced at the prospect of losing Peja anyways, why not take the chance?

 

[DeAtHrOw]

There's potential for much more out of Artest. Faced at the prospect of losing Peja anyways, why not take the chance?

Agreed, if we are going to lose Peja for nothing might as well take a chance on Artest.

 

[vj9999]

Agreed, if we are going to lose Peja for nothing might as well take a chance on Artest.

As ABBA would say

If you change your mind, I’m the first in line
Honey I’m still free
Take a chance on me
If you need me, let me know, gonna be around
If you’ve got no place to go, if you’re feeling down
If you’re all alone when the pretty birds have flown
Honey I’m still free
Take a chance on me
Gonna do my very best and it ain’t no lie
If you put me to the test, if you let me try

Take a chance on me
(that’s all I ask of you honey)
Take a chance on me

 

[piksi]

As ABBA would say

If you change your mind, I’m the first in line
Honey I’m still free
Take a chance on me
If you need me, let me know, gonna be around
If you’ve got no place to go, if you’re feeling down
If you’re all alone when the pretty birds have flown
Honey I’m still free
Take a chance on me
Gonna do my very best and it ain’t no lie
If you put me to the test, if you let me try

Take a chance on me
(that’s all I ask of you honey)
Take a chance on me

old school

 

[Warhawk]

old school

And very cool.

Can't go wrong with a little ABBA.