Another Trade for the Kings?

twslam07

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After hearing that Salmons would be joining our team once again, I was not too enthusiastic about. He is an upgrade from what we had before, but anyone could have been an upgrade to our SF position. The trade didn’t make me feel like this is our SF of the future. It left me wanting to upgrade the position again. I happened to be fond of Granger and was hoping we would make a move for him before the draft. Unfortunately, I was let down. Then I revisited the idea of trying to get Granger on this team and came up with this plan.

Kings Trade:
Salmons
Hickson

Pacers Trade:
Granger


So why would the Pacers do this trade?

For starters, they would be getting Hickson who is a young big man who began to breakout last year. They could slot him next to Hibbert who would be a nice compliment to Hickson considering Hibbert is more a defensive minded big man and Hickson is a more offensive minded big man. Adding that both of them are young (Hibbert – 24 and Hickson – 22), they could have a solid frontcourt for years to come. This move would also allow them to shift Hansbrough to the bench. I always thought of Hansbrough as a sixth man because he doesn’t have the best skill set in the world, but he has tremendous intensity and energy which is exactly what you are looking for when you are going to your bench during games.

Secondly, the Pacers drafted Leonard this year which means they have Granger, George, and Leonard who can all play that SF position. By trading away Granger and acquiring talent at other positions, it allows them to free up their SF spot while improving their team.

Lastly, Salmons could be a nice fit for them because Leonard might need some time to get acclimated. He can provide some decent minutes for them at their SF position.

After this trade, their rotation will look like this:

PG – Collison
SG – Salmons
SF – George
PF – Hickson
C – Hibbert

Bench:

Hansbrough
Hill
Leonard
Price
Jones

As Leonard adjusts to the NBA, they can have George and Leonard as their starting SG and SF while they push Salmons to the bench.

Now for the Kings perspective…

As of now we have three big men on our team that are worthy of getting consistent minutes (Cousins, Hickson, and Thompson). Most of us don’t like the idea of a combination of those three being our starters because none of them stand out very much on the defensive side of the ball. With that being said, I feel that it is imperative that we bring in a defensive big through free agency. If the Kings were to do this then we would have a log jam of big men. By trading away Hickson, it frees this up allowing us to sign a defensive big and not think twice about it.

The benefits of upgrading Salmons with Granger should be obvious (Shooting, Size, Rebounding, and Defense).


The next discussion goes into what defensive big would be our first choice. I feel that there are three big men that would fit in nicely.

Dalembert – He played with us last year and fit very nicely with our players. Complimented Cousins quite well and has always been known as an elite rebounder and shot blocker. He is an athletic center who is capable of guarding athletic power forwards. He is 30 years old.

Chandler – He played with the Mavs last year. Has the experience of winning a ring. He is an all-around good defensive center. He is very intimidating in the paint and has great leadership and intangibles. He also plays within himself on offense and doesn’t distract or take away from the teammates that are much better than him at scoring. He is 28 years old.

Jordan – He played with the Clippers last year. He is similar to Dalembert in that he is a very good at rebounding and blocking shots. His athletic ability is also above average for a center. He is very efficient as a scorer because he plays within himself, but he is a horrid free throw shooter. He is 22 years old.

I honestly can’t make up my mind on which one I want the most. Dalembert compliments Cousins almost perfectly, Chandler has the leadership and intangibles, and Jordan has the youth. I would be happy with any one of these guys on the Kings next season.


If the kings were to pull this off, their rotation would look like this:

PG – Evans
SG – Thornton
SF – Granger
PF – Cousins
C – Dalembert/Chandler/Jordan

Bench:

Fredette
Garcia
Greene
Thompson
Whiteside

What do you guys think?
 
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I havent posted in awhile but I read things here everyday. i have been wanting danny granger to be a king all this summer. he woul dfit in great with what we have i think. but because of the trade rules unless something completely different in the cba is reached this deal is prett much impossible until december i believe assuming they can get a deal done soon.
 
I like your idea, although I'm not sure that the offer on our end is quite enough to get a guy like Granger (it would certainly be the core of the deal though, alongside what would likely be a draft pick or even another player). Another thing is that Leonard was traded on draft day to the Spurs, so the logjam you're referencing isn't there. Paul George could certainly play well enough at some point to justify moving the All-Star ahead of him, but as of now, they have a pretty good wing core of George Hill, Paul George and Granger.

That said, if we could turn Salmons into Granger, I'll buy my playoff tickets right now, lockout be damned.
 
That said, if we could turn Salmons into Granger, I'll buy my playoff tickets right now, lockout be damned.

Well of course that's the thing, no trades can be completed until after the lockout.

Have cooled n Granger anyway despite the talent. He was a god looking fit until we got Thronton. But after that, and after watching Granger struggle this season to quit jacking up selfish jumpshots, I have to really question how well he'd do in a situation sharing his shots with at least 3 other main weapons.
 
Well of course that's the thing, no trades can be completed until after the lockout.

Have cooled n Granger anyway despite the talent. He was a god looking fit until we got Thronton. But after that, and after watching Granger struggle this season to quit jacking up selfish jumpshots, I have to really question how well he'd do in a situation sharing his shots with at least 3 other main weapons.

That's the thing. We have 3 potent offensive weapons (with some question marks right above the heads of Jimmer and Hickson) with which to convince Granger to defer on this team. It's much harder to make the argument to defer when your alternatives are Psycho T, Darren Collison, rookie Paul George, Mike Dunleavy, Roy Hibbert or Jeff Foster. Almost all of those guys I named are solid players, but none outside of George would I call a weapon of any sort. Hanbrough was solid in the playoffs, but still hard to justify a shot for him over Granger.

I think that justification would go down much easier with the Kings. Just like we're debating over Salmons, if Granger could settle into super glue-guy mode, we are an extremely solid team going into next season. But you knew that already. :cool:
 
I'm probably wrong on this but to me this two trades are insurance kind of moves in case we don't hit in free agency (i.e.: Dally goes and we can't get a fitting SF) so that we still have a much more valuable asset than Casspi (Hickson) to move around along with the cap space in order to get what we need and we have the small forward spot covered and upgraded. I assume Petrie will be on the phone shopping those guys when the lockout ends.
 
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I'm probably wrong on this but to me this two trades are insurance kind of moves in case we don't hit in free agency (i.e.: Dally goes and we can't get a fitting SF) so that we still have a much more valuable asset than Casspi (Hickson) to move around along with the cap space in order to get what we need and we have the small forward spot covered and upgraded. I assume Petrie will be on the phone shopping those guys when the lockout ends.

Those guys won't be tradable for some time in December if all goes well. Those players were recruited because they fit a need and/or are upgrades on talent. In reality we upgraded our roster in a fairly significant manner but at the same time we have only "used" around $2 million of our cap space. We still have as much cap space as anyone to resign our 2 main free agents and add some more pieces going forward.
 
Those guys won't be tradable for some time in December if all goes well.

The December rule would apply if we had signed them as free agents. Rules for trading away players you trade for are different.

1)If a team trades for player X, they can trade player X away without restriction after two months.
2)If the re-trade either has only player X going out, or has player X and others going out but does not acquire a salary greater than player X's salary, player X may be re-traded immediately.
3)If the team re-trading player X is not over the salary cap, rules 1 and 2 do not apply and the player may be re-traded without restriction immediately.

So under any circumstances, Salmons and Hickson would be tradeable by September 1 - as long as the lockout is over.
 
So under any circumstances, Salmons and Hickson would be tradeable by September 1 - as long as the lockout is over.

Then lets do it!!! :D

We would be much better in 3 pt shooting next year banking on the fact that we would have Thornton, Granger, Fredette, and Garcia out on the perimeter. Not to mention Tyreke's shooting could be in the process of improving as we speak.

Even if we don't get Granger, Salmons is a good 3 pt shooter as well (37.9% last year). Regardless of what happens, look for their opoent's defense to be spread out a little more next season.
 
Pure speculation (and maybe wishful thinking) on my part, but I do think there's another trade down the line in which Salmons is the guy traded. I have no idea on who would be coming back to Sacto in that kind of deal, though.

I have less belief that Hickson will be traded anytime soon because he is still a relative unknown commodity. I think Petrie wants to give him time to see if he can reach his ceiling.
 
That trade would be amazing but the Pacers aren't going to give up on Granger especially since they made the playoffs this year for the first time in 5 years. I'm sure he's a building block going forward for them so we would have to look elsewhere or be content with Salmons for a year or however long he would be here :\.
 
I used to want Granger too.

After getting Thornton and Cousins... now it's not the best allocation of dollars. Really just need a defensive stud there who can shoot and pass. Anything else and we'd be paying for chemistry problems. Now when Granger gets old and desperate to get a ring and wants to come to us for 5-7 mil a year Mavs style... maybe.

Sign and trade Salmons and Garcia for Kirilenko... in a heartbeat.
 
If there's a way to get Granger before we can resign Thornton, then that's the only way I would jump into the Granger bandwagon again. If we get Granger, we don't have to resign Thornton and should move Salmons to SG. That'll be big and tough group of wing player on both sides of the court with Reke at PG.
 
If there's a way to get Granger before we can resign Thornton, then that's the only way I would jump into the Granger bandwagon again. If we get Granger, we don't have to resign Thornton and should move Salmons to SG. That'll be big and tough group of wing player on both sides of the court with Reke at PG.

True, but ...... Thornton made all the difference in the world to this team and why cavalierly say we don't need him? Nobody on our team shoots as well as he does and he doesn't panic at the end of close games. Maybe Jimmer will be an equivalent but I don't know why having two outside bombers isn't a good thing. If we acquire Granger, I understand the logic of moving Salmons to SG or he would sulk. But, at this moment, I want Thornton more than I want Granger or Salmons.



Has the season started yet?? :rolleyes: I think I am losing patience.
 
I still think the most available player who would be the best fit is Iggy.

And I think Philly would really take a long look at a Iggy for Hickson deal. I would too, and then I'd throw all my cash at Dalembert to return the big man trio we had last season.
 
I still think the most available player who would be the best fit is Iggy.

And I think Philly would really take a long look at a Iggy for Hickson deal. I would too, and then I'd throw all my cash at Dalembert to return the big man trio we had last season.

Its not a terrible idea at all, but somebody, maybe Amick, was saying the Kings didn't think Iggy was what they needed at that spot...just before they went out and got Salmons instead. :eek:
 
It's funny how when JJ Hickson was chucking his way to 20-10, playing for a nineteen-win team with no other rebounders, he's the next Amare, but when Tyler Hansbrough is dumping 20-10, playing for a playoff team, he's just a 6th man scrub.
 
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I LIKED the Salmons deal...but I would have LOVED to have Tayshaun instead. Not sure what Petrie has up his sleeve after the lockout ends...anyone's guess, but I doubt they would be right.
 
It's funny how when JJ Hickson was chucking his way to 20-10, playing for a nineteen-win team with no other rebounders, he's the next Amare, but when Tyler Hansbrough is dumping 20-10, playing for a playoff team, he's just a 6th man scrub.

And in what world were you living in where Hansborough came anywhere close to 20-10? He only had 7 double-doubles ALL season (our own JT had 9). And in case you were wondering, Hickson had 28 double-doubles last season (averaged 16.8pt & 10.8rbs after the all-star break).
 
Mo Williams was traded before the deadline and Antawn Jamison had a season ending injury shortly after. Anderson Varejao was also out with a season ending injury. That left JJ Hickson as the first option. Byron Scott had JJ crashing the glass every play because of the injuries to Anderson and Jamison.
 
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And in what world were you living in where Hansborough came anywhere close to 20-10? He only had 7 double-doubles ALL season (our own JT had 9). And in case you were wondering, Hickson had 28 double-doubles last season (averaged 16.8pt & 10.8rbs after the all-star break).
I love facts... nice post.
 
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