Another one bites the dust
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
If anything, the series was an indication that PGs need to be able to shoot FTs and make them. Rondo is one hell of a player but, by golly, he shoots worse than Shaq from the stripe.
The overall moral of the story is that star power means winning. Rondo is good but he is not a superstar. He's a talented player surrounded by other talented guys who all make him better and vice-a-versa.
To say that having a star at PG won't get you a championship or any wins is utterly ridiculous. Having a star at any position (preferably multiple of them) is what makes a championship squad.
The overall moral of the story is that star power means winning. Rondo is good but he is not a superstar. He's a talented player surrounded by other talented guys who all make him better and vice-a-versa.
To say that having a star at PG won't get you a championship or any wins is utterly ridiculous. Having a star at any position (preferably multiple of them) is what makes a championship squad.
ZZ-TOP
G-League
Qué?
I didn't say a word about any stars or number of them on some team.
I was talking about concept, about philosophy and approach to the game.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Are you going to back up your assertion with any actual debate or evidence? Or just throw out, quite frankly, a ridiculous comment that has no real meaning?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Been a long time since a team with a truly great PG won an NBA title.
But then again been a long time since any team had a PG potentially as brutal to match up against as Tyreke.
In any case obviously this is just the normal Tyreke is not a PG stuff from a one issue poster.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Exactly my point. There was only one reason this thread was made.
It's been a long time since a team with a truly ginger 12th man won an NBA title. Damn Scal!
Widowmaker2k
Bench
Huh? The Celtics were in game 7 of the NBA finals, and yes, they lost by four points. It's not like they a pulled a Dallas (get the best record then lose in the first round). In fact, after the first round, they didn't even have HCA, and beat the team headlined by the 2-time league MVP, and then a team with the 2-time league DPOY.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter what position Tyreke plays, it's his style of play that counts. He's not suddenly going to become John Stockton because we call him a point guard. The point of playing him at point guard is that he's physically capable of outclassing any other point in the league. In fact, if you want to take anything from this series, it's that big, physical teams usually beat smart skilled ones.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter what position Tyreke plays, it's his style of play that counts. He's not suddenly going to become John Stockton because we call him a point guard. The point of playing him at point guard is that he's physically capable of outclassing any other point in the league. In fact, if you want to take anything from this series, it's that big, physical teams usually beat smart skilled ones.
Rookie
Starter
Wasn't Rondo the reason they got to the Finals in the first place?
If getting to a 7-game Finals is not going the distance then I don't know what is. Sometime people amazes me with their thinking.
Yes, I would love for the Kings to follow the Celtics to the Finals. All it takes is a good bounce and the game could of been written differently.
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Ehh Im with the poster that talked about Ray Allen, if he makes his 3's the Celts are the 2010 NBA champs plain and simple.
Point blank this series has nothing to do with a PG debate, its about a team that willed its way through the playoffs with veterans and just running out of gas in the 4th Q of game 7 WITHOUT HCA.
If anything this just proves how vital HCA is if you want to win the NBA title.
Point blank this series has nothing to do with a PG debate, its about a team that willed its way through the playoffs with veterans and just running out of gas in the 4th Q of game 7 WITHOUT HCA.
If anything this just proves how vital HCA is if you want to win the NBA title.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Of course, the last PG who was able to physically dominate his opponents like Tyreke can (and will) was Magic Johnson and I may be mistaken but I think he won a couple of rings or something once.
Heuge
Starter
Totally unrelated to why that team lost. That team was in no way built around a Rondo PG.
If any argument can be made about the dominate PGs and their success it ought to be, wow, look at how far Rondo took an aging team into the playoffs. Game 7 of the finals. If that is where Reke as a PG is taking us, where do I sign up.
Fails to go the distance? They went to game 7. You can't get much further than that. And I don't think you can lay the loss at the feet of Rajon Rondo.
Did you see the number of offensive rebounds the Lakers pulled down last night? I'd say the loss was more directly attributable to things like that than to the "dominant PG"...
Do I want the Kings to follow that pattern? If it means getting to game 7 of the NBA finals, I have two words...
Hell, yes!!!
It was sort of a confusing stab at that. I wouldn't even try to guess what you meant. Instead, start with defense wins championships and work up from there. Its nice and simple and you won't struggle to make a point.
Sparky6string
Bench
Exactly- I'm sure a collection of factoids and trends could be gathered that would expose this for what it is.
Chupacabra
Starter
Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups. Not all players are on the same level, but they were all dominant point guards on teams that won championships. The idea that a team cant win it all if their best player is a point guard is a big reach.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Go troll somewhere else!
Sparky6string
Bench
Is having a good point guard a detriment to winning? Is that your question? Because the answer to that is no. The rub is that you need more than just a good point guard.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Rondo is not a dominant PG and never was. Superstar version of a role player but at the end of the day he's still a role player. He doesn't have the one on one offense that Tyreke has. Does Rondo even have a cross over? He just can't attack the paint like Tyreke does.
ZZ-TOP
G-League
I enjoy being thorough! First you tried to make me some Beno homer, now this?
C'mon you can do better.
But on the other hand, with lack of valid arguments that support your stand, you shoud try to make this fly.
King-Da-Yah
Starter
First you tried to make me some Beno homer, now this?
C'mon you can do better.
But on the other hand, with lack of valid arguments that support your stand, you shoud try to make this fly.
I am trying to understand your logic, we should move Evans over to SG for the simple reason that dominant SG's (like that cocky guy on LA) will get you further then dominant PG's?
Please feel free to elaborate on that, instead of claiming people who actually know what they are talking about don't have valid arguments (those are the only type of rebuddles I have ever seen from Brick)
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Kingsguy881
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And all YOU are doing is trolling, and doing a horrible job at it too.
First you tried to make me some Beno homer, now this?
C'mon you can do better.
But on the other hand, with lack of valid arguments that support your stand, you shoud try to make this fly.
Yes, your original post makes no sense. Yes, you posted it to flame. Yes, you are trolling. Yes, teams with dominant PG's have won championships. Yes, you are wrong. Yes, we wish you would grow up,. And yes, Tyreke IS succcessful playing the PG position and will continue to play it going forward. Bye.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
It's amazing the old guys on Boston plus the young pg got as far as they did. Winning the 7th game had nothing to do with Boston having a "dominant" pg. If anything, the case can be made that he should have been more "dominant" in the 7th game.
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