Not sure what the fascination with Tibbs is. Many believe that the reason the Bulls are suffering so many injuries is because of him. He works his main players to death, and eventually they break down. He's a great defensive coach, and if you want him as an assistant coach, great, but as an offensive coach he hasn't showed me anything other than ugly basketball. I'd rather drag Adelman out of retirement.
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I see your point, so let me clarify. If my choice is between Rondo and Smart, it's a no contest. Rondo is way smarter than Smart, wow, talk about a play on words. If Simmons has a problem playing along side Rondo, then the same would be true of Smart. Simmons, if used to his strength, almost makes the PG into a SG, or an off the ball player. If there's one person I don't want playing off the ball or as a SG, it's Marcus Smart. I do not like the dude and I doubt anything will change my mind about him. If the Celts would rather move Bradley, then once again, it's a no contest, Bradley is far more talented than Smart. By the way, because I'm discussing this doesn't mean I want to trade Cousins. This is pure speculation about if it happened, what's the best deal for us.
We would be relying heavily on the coming draft to improve, and to be honest, although there are several players that I really like, I can only name one player that I think is a sure fire can't miss player, and that's Simmons. If you can nab him, then I think you come out smelling like a rose, but if you don't, then you hope your lucky. The way I look at players has evolved over the years, and I have less fascination with athleticism and more interest in skilled players. Now if I can find both combined together, well, then I have a player like Simmons. But otherwise, too often a team wastes two or three years trying to develop a very athletic player, many of whom never develop. Or at least, never reach their supposed potential. Give me an average athlete with a high skill level (Larry Bird) every day of the week. By the way, when I say skilled, I mean multi-skilled. Like, shooting, dribbling, passing etc.
We would be relying heavily on the coming draft to improve, and to be honest, although there are several players that I really like, I can only name one player that I think is a sure fire can't miss player, and that's Simmons. If you can nab him, then I think you come out smelling like a rose, but if you don't, then you hope your lucky. The way I look at players has evolved over the years, and I have less fascination with athleticism and more interest in skilled players. Now if I can find both combined together, well, then I have a player like Simmons. But otherwise, too often a team wastes two or three years trying to develop a very athletic player, many of whom never develop. Or at least, never reach their supposed potential. Give me an average athlete with a high skill level (Larry Bird) every day of the week. By the way, when I say skilled, I mean multi-skilled. Like, shooting, dribbling, passing etc.
Cousins was a blue chip that got passed over because of perceived emotional problems. I'm not going to relive the whole experience, but I had endless arguments with people on this forum that didn't want the Kings to draft Cousins.. There wasn't a single GM in the league that doubted his talent. It didn't help when Jay Bilas, a highly respected college basketball analyst, implied that he wouldn't touch Cousins with a ten foot pole. If you followed college basketball then, and looked at what Favors accomplished, and compared it to what Cousins accomplished, it was a no contest. Cousins was the far superior player. I really liked Turner, didn't know how Johnson got ranked that high (he went to Syracuse for god's sake), and I loved John Wall. So at that time, I had Wall and Cousins ranked as the two best players in the draft, and I had Cousins number one.
Cousins would mesh as well with Carlisle as Rondo did.
Cousins doesn't like dictators or tough love coaches. He likes guys that respect him and he can respect them back. Someone that he feels has his back and he has his. Malone was that guy. Now by no mean is Malone a softy. He had no issues in telling Cousins a few home truths but Cousins knew that there was no ego, there was no malice and he respects that.
I think someone like Thibs might just be someone that Cousins gets along well with. Cousins doesn't have a problem with tough coaches but he has a problem with people with egos and ulterior motives and lack of understanding of how to utilize resources in the best manner. As coach Cal said, Cousins is one of the smartest players he has ever coaches. He would constantly question his decisions but once coach Cal explained to him the reasoning behind it, Cuz would understand why he was doing it that way and accept it. What we have now is not in that mold.
Cousins doesn't like dictators or tough love coaches. He likes guys that respect him and he can respect them back. Someone that he feels has his back and he has his. Malone was that guy. Now by no mean is Malone a softy. He had no issues in telling Cousins a few home truths but Cousins knew that there was no ego, there was no malice and he respects that.
I think someone like Thibs might just be someone that Cousins gets along well with. Cousins doesn't have a problem with tough coaches but he has a problem with people with egos and ulterior motives and lack of understanding of how to utilize resources in the best manner. As coach Cal said, Cousins is one of the smartest players he has ever coaches. He would constantly question his decisions but once coach Cal explained to him the reasoning behind it, Cuz would understand why he was doing it that way and accept it. What we have now is not in that mold.
Same things have been said about Adelman about playing his main guys for too long. And on offense, it might not be pretty, but it's effective and he knows how to best utilize him main guys. Look at Gasol with Mr Pringles in LA and the season he had in his one year with Thibs. Look at how Noah was developed into the defensive force. Look at how Gibson has developed into a productive NBA player or how Butler has developed into a star. All of those happeded under Thibs watch.
I have no problem winning ugly, as long as we are winning. Sick and tired of losing pretty.
I have no problem winning ugly, as long as we are winning. Sick and tired of losing pretty.
In the offseason, the Magic were ready to give up a butt-load for Cousins. What about a potential trade with them this year?
DeMarcus Cousins + Marco Belinelli for Nikola Vucevic+Evan Fournier+Mario Hezonja
I could see a potential future back-court in Fournier-Hezonja IF Fournier improves on his handling. Vucevic is a less talented Cuz, but is a top 10 C.
DeMarcus Cousins + Marco Belinelli for Nikola Vucevic+Evan Fournier+Mario Hezonja
I could see a potential future back-court in Fournier-Hezonja IF Fournier improves on his handling. Vucevic is a less talented Cuz, but is a top 10 C.
Here is a list of players that you could trade cousins for, some of them would need another player included, and some we would need to include another player. (I may have left out a younger player or two).
Andre Drummond, DET
Anthony Davis, NO
Blake Griffin, LAC
Damian Lillard, POR
Draymond Green, GS
James Harden, HOU
Jimmy Butler, CHI
John Wall, WSH
Karl-Anthony Towns, MIN
Kawhi Leonard, SA
Kevin Durant, OKC
Kyle Lowry, TOR
LeBron James, CLE
Paul George, IND
Andrew Wiggins
Russell Westbrook, OKC
Stephen Curry, GS
Andre Drummond, DET
Anthony Davis, NO
Blake Griffin, LAC
Damian Lillard, POR
Draymond Green, GS
James Harden, HOU
Jimmy Butler, CHI
John Wall, WSH
Karl-Anthony Towns, MIN
Kawhi Leonard, SA
Kevin Durant, OKC
Kyle Lowry, TOR
LeBron James, CLE
Paul George, IND
Andrew Wiggins
Russell Westbrook, OKC
Stephen Curry, GS
To be honest, none of those teams would trade their guys for Cousins...except for maybe Draymond Green and Kevin Durant.
Drummond is a better all around center than Cuz, minus the offense. Davis is well..Davis. Griffin is a better player than Cuz. Blazers would rather trade CJ than Lillard. Harden is better than Cuz. Butler is the only guy the Bulls don't want to trade. Wall is Washington's guy. KAT will probably be better than Cuz in his prime. Pop loves Leonard. I don't think the Raps have the coaching staff to deal with Cousins, that's why they'd pass on him imo. LBJ, no. We'd need to trade the entire farm for George. Wiggins, long shot. Westbrook and Curry are the obvious nos.
Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes for Cousins could be a good deal, but we'd still be looking for a franchise player. I'm not sure if Barnes nor Green can be THAT guy. Draymond Green has had an amazing season. 15pts 9rebs 7asts 1.4blks 1.3stls on .46/.40/.70 shooting. However, I think he would lose some of his effectiveness if he was taken away from that GSW system.
Kevin Durant leaving OKC could happen. If they want 1 more try with him at the finals, they won't trade him. However, if they think he's not back next year, they'd be stupid NOT to trade him. The Kings wouldn't be dumb enough to trade Cousins for Durant though. If we did that trade, there's a higher chance that Durant comes back to OKC for the vet min rather than resigning with the Kings.
Vucevic+Fournier+Hezonja is honestly really fair for Cousins. Vucevic is a very good low-post center. He's very efficient and can lead an offense. Fournier looked amazing when the Magic had him as THEIR guy. It was for probably 7-8 games, and he did a lot of great things. He's been so good that they've actually demoted Oladipo to the bench.
Drummond is a better all around center than Cuz, minus the offense. Davis is well..Davis. Griffin is a better player than Cuz. Blazers would rather trade CJ than Lillard. Harden is better than Cuz. Butler is the only guy the Bulls don't want to trade. Wall is Washington's guy. KAT will probably be better than Cuz in his prime. Pop loves Leonard. I don't think the Raps have the coaching staff to deal with Cousins, that's why they'd pass on him imo. LBJ, no. We'd need to trade the entire farm for George. Wiggins, long shot. Westbrook and Curry are the obvious nos.
Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes for Cousins could be a good deal, but we'd still be looking for a franchise player. I'm not sure if Barnes nor Green can be THAT guy. Draymond Green has had an amazing season. 15pts 9rebs 7asts 1.4blks 1.3stls on .46/.40/.70 shooting. However, I think he would lose some of his effectiveness if he was taken away from that GSW system.
Kevin Durant leaving OKC could happen. If they want 1 more try with him at the finals, they won't trade him. However, if they think he's not back next year, they'd be stupid NOT to trade him. The Kings wouldn't be dumb enough to trade Cousins for Durant though. If we did that trade, there's a higher chance that Durant comes back to OKC for the vet min rather than resigning with the Kings.
Vucevic+Fournier+Hezonja is honestly really fair for Cousins. Vucevic is a very good low-post center. He's very efficient and can lead an offense. Fournier looked amazing when the Magic had him as THEIR guy. It was for probably 7-8 games, and he did a lot of great things. He's been so good that they've actually demoted Oladipo to the bench.
I feel like the Magic's original offer was probably something like Vucevic+Haris+1st rounder(Hezonja), or something along those lines.
My top choices were: Porzingis and Hezonja. I'm with you, I believe Hezonja has star potential. His defense is terrible though..
I could see him lighting it up next year if he's given the chance. I think Orlando's roster is really crowded right now at SG/SF. They have a ton of guys who can play multiple position, so I could see them trading away Hezonja as part of a deal for Cousins.
My top choices were: Porzingis and Hezonja. I'm with you, I believe Hezonja has star potential. His defense is terrible though..
I could see him lighting it up next year if he's given the chance. I think Orlando's roster is really crowded right now at SG/SF. They have a ton of guys who can play multiple position, so I could see them trading away Hezonja as part of a deal for Cousins.
You do know your view on Cousins is pretty much the minority at this point. Almost every post on sactownroyalty is tired of Cousins. You constantly calling him HOF greatest C of all time is an outlier. It almost reminds me of the IT debate of two years ago where Kingsfans.com was this weird subset of fans that wanted to murder IT and the rest of the world loved the little bastard.
Anyways trade Cousins, its timex we are just wasting time constantly giving this guy clean slate after clean slate.
Anyways trade Cousins, its timex we are just wasting time constantly giving this guy clean slate after clean slate.
My thoughts on IT were tainted from this site when the Celtics first got him, I was a hater. IT' has been great at both starting and coming off the bench. It would be kind of crazy if the Celtics ended up with both IT and Cousins. IT is on a very favorable contract too at around 6.5 million per it surprises me the Kings didn't want to dish out that kind of money for him.
Sadly, the Laker offer wont resurface....
Deangelo or clarkson, randle and first pick?(maybe not that much...im not sure)
If it was i'd vote for it big time and give em Gay and rondo too. They quit last night. Rondo's effort was fraudulent and Gays non effort was an embarassment.
Lakers are gonna catch em as is.
Deangelo or clarkson, randle and first pick?(maybe not that much...im not sure)
If it was i'd vote for it big time and give em Gay and rondo too. They quit last night. Rondo's effort was fraudulent and Gays non effort was an embarassment.
Lakers are gonna catch em as is.