Allen Iverson thread - DAY TWO

my new guess ...

In the next 36 hours I think we see:

Bibby (12.5) + Corliss (6.5) + Garcia (1) = 20 million
For
AI (18.2) + Hunter (3) = 21.2 million

For what Ric Bucher basically said this morning, Bibby is the best player out there. They get a SOLID PG, a SOLID low priced Garcia, and an expiring contract in Corliess. Gives the 76’ers 14.6 million next year, with Bibby and Garcia, compared to AI’s 20+ million. Leaves the 76'ers with a little under 6 million to play with in the off-season.
 
It seems to me that since Philly WANTS to dump AI, they shouldn't be so demanding. Then again, there's enough GMs out there willing to bid for him that Philly could actually get value in return.

I can't see Philly letting go of Iguodala or Dalembert. They would certainly let Steven Hunter go. They tried to trade him last year and he didn't pass some physical.

But they probably feel that they don't need to put up anyone with AI other than possibly some bench fodder to balance some numbers.

I understand that we might need to trade Bibby simply because of his opt-out coming up and the likelyhood that he'll use it. We should try to get some value for him.

But PLEASE NOT AI!!!

And letting go of Kevin Martin in a deal would make me ill. He's one of the few bright spots for this teams future.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
In the next 36 hours I think we see:

Bibby (12.5) + Corliss (6.5) + Garcia (1) = 20 million
For
AI (18.2) + Hunter (3) = 21.2 million

For what Ric Bucher basically said this morning, Bibby is the best player out there. They get a SOLID PG, a SOLID low priced Garcia, and an expiring contract in Corliess. Gives the 76’ers 14.6 million next year, with Bibby and Garcia, compared to AI’s 20+ million. Leaves the 76'ers with a little under 6 million to play with in the off-season.
From all the rumors flying about, just don't think that's going to be enough. Its got the basic components, but somebody else out there is going to blink with something sexier.
 
I agree. Replace Kenny with Dalembert in the starting lineup and you have a guy who's just as good a rebounder, 10 times the shotblocker and would not be expected to put up a single shot.

AI
Martin
Artest
Dalembert
Miller

I mean.....
As much as I would love it, I just don't envision that happening. No way Philly trades AI and Dalembert for Bibby + Kenny & spare change.
 
As much as I would love it, I just don't envision that happening. No way Philly trades AI and Dalembert for Bibby + Kenny & spare change.
But if they're clearing cap space, Kenny's deal is both cheaper and ends sooner. I don't think Philly is very high on Dalembert, especially since they benched him for Steven Hunter for a stretch last year.
 
But if they're clearing cap space, Kenny's deal is both cheaper and ends sooner. I don't think Philly is very high on Dalembert, especially since they benched him for Steven Hunter for a stretch last year.
I think Dalembert was injured when he was "benched" last year. He's their starting center this year and getting a lot of time. He's still immature but improving.
 
But if they're clearing cap space, Kenny's deal is both cheaper and ends sooner. I don't think Philly is very high on Dalembert, especially since they benched him for Steven Hunter for a stretch last year.
I really haven't seen him play this season at all, but that's a bit odd considering the hefty six-year, $64-million contract they gave him. Has he been really sucking it up?
 
From all the rumors flying about, just don't think that's going to be enough. Its got the basic components, but somebody else out there is going to blink with something sexier.
A team might be able to come up with something sexier, but 76'ers fans want an instant return, and I think Bibby is pretty sexy, add Garcia to the mix you're looking at Pamala Anderson.

But I see your point. I just think it's the best the 76'ers are going to get to make them better NOW. They might be 5-15, but in the East that's not all that bad. A little run and the 76'ers are back in it.
 
How's this trade sound???

Kings Trade:

Bibby
Martin
Thomas

Philly trades:

Hunter
Iverson
Iguadola


Trade works cap wise and I think it benefits both teams.
 
I really haven't seen him play this season at all, but that's a bit odd considering the hefty six-year, $64-million contract they gave him. Has he been really sucking it up?
No, he's not been too bad. He's a shot blocker. He's getting a few more rebounds and he's actually making some shots. He's just still green.
 
By the way....I prefer to keep Francisco than Martin as Francisco is they type of role player that would work well with Iverson...hustles and can hit the occasional 3.
 
This is my new guess:

Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Vitaly Potapenko
Francisco Garcia
1st

for

Allen Iverson
Samuel Dalembert
Kevin Ollie


Also, those "flexible" pieces are starting to look more flexible, aren't they?
Sounds great, if we take on Ollie, we should really try to give them back K9. Anything short of giving them KMart or Artest and I'm down with it. If we do give them KMart I want Iggy! :D
 
The one player Philly really needs is a point guard. They have a youngster, Carney, now but they could use an experienced, high quality PG. Which is why they are probably interested in Bibby, Foye, Livingston, or Andre Miller.
 
Mike Bibby and Kenny Thomas to Philadelphia, AI to Denver, and Marcus Camby and Andre Miller to Sacramento?

Tell me you wouldn’t pull the trigger, even if it makes the Nuggets locks for the playoffs. Miller’s $8.6 million deal expires this year. Camby is locked up at around $8 million a year until 2010.

Your three bigs rotation that currently is Brad Miller/Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Kenny Thomas is now Miller/Camby/Abdur-Rahim. Miller hasn’t been a power forward for a couple years, but he had his best months in Sacramento at that position.

Adding Camby instantly juvenates the defense as the team builds around one of the best perimeter defenders in the game (Artest) and one of the best shotblockers/rebounders in the game (Camby).

Andre Miller isn’t a world-beater, but he is the most durable point guard on the planet (80+ games in all 7 seasons) and takes fewer shots than Bibby. And while Bibby’s contract situation is a question mark, Miller comes off the books for sure this summer. If it works, resign him. If not, c’est la vie! Let this deal happen, je vous en prie.
I would pull that trigger in a heartbeat.

A.Miller
Martin
Artest
Camby
Miller

SAR
Corliss
Salmons
Price

Not a bad 9-man. Camby and Artest on the low-post. The Miller's on the perimeter. A little defense and some decent scoring on the bench. I'd consider it a merry christmas. ;)
 
I don't see how the Kings could not be in the front running on this. Indiana's rumored offer was a joke and the Mav's would not be able to put together a package without dealing some of their important talent (and I really don't see AI meshing on that team anyway). The Clips rumored offers sounded pretty solid, but it also would have really depleated the team which makes it questionable. I'm beginning to believe that the rumored Celtics offer is not real, as if it was the Sixers would have been crazy not to jump on it in an instant. It's been a day since it has shown up and there has been no word, so I bet that is gone. As far as the Warriors, the Sixers gain nothing by switching AI for Baron + a possible prospect. Baron's remaining contract is not much better than AIs (a little longer even). However, the Kings can offer a solid starting PG to replace AI on the team (though it will change their game considerably) who also has a lighter and possibly short contract. On top of that, they can pick up some expiring contracts in Corliss, Potapenko, and Hart. Then, there is some young and tradable talent in Garcia and Douby. There are so many pieces that fit the kind of trade Philly is looking for and a package of any of the above would really not hurt the Kings at all. Best case, the team would be back in the running, worst case, it all explodes and the team would be in a great place to just rebuild in a year or two.

As far as moving Kenny, I don't see this happening. First off, the Sixers don't want that contract and also don't want his attitude (he was manking similar demands and complaints in Philly before making them here). Second, moving him and not getting any size in return would thin our line out even more. A rotation of oft-injured Miller, SAR, Corliss, and Taylor? That is scary. I would excited making a move for AI+Dalembert, but I don't see a reason why the Sixers would care to move Dalembert yet, especially if they would be getting someone like KT for their trouble.

Next up, Kevin Martin. He is going absolutely nowhere. Even if were possible to make trade straight of KMart for AI, no one in the Kings office would do it as he is a great talent who is only getting better, is very young, is very modest, and is a current super bargain with a chance that his upcoming payday will still be very reasonable. Martin is very important to the team right now and will be in the future whether we pick up an AI and try to make a run or let the team fall apart and start rebuilding.

Finally, Webber. He will never come back to Sacramento, though I bet he would be happy with it. Going from Philly's famously harsh fans back to Sac's diehard trust in the team would be heaven. The Sixers are not going to be able to move him and need to just bite the bullet and pay the cost through next season. He will pretty much delay their rebuild by a year, but you never know what superstar might be on the block next year and how a salary of over $21mil off the books is an incredible bargaining chip.
 
I really haven't seen him play this season at all, but that's a bit odd considering the hefty six-year, $64-million contract they gave him. Has he been really sucking it up?
I don't think it's a matter of sucking, just that he may not be worth what they're paying him. I don't personally like him as much as some people here because in my opinion his extremely low basketball IQ limits his effectiveness, but as a replacement for Kenny I'm all for it.
 
...
Finally, Webber. He will never come back to Sacramento, though I bet he would be happy with it. Going from Philly's famously harsh fans back to Sac's diehard trust in the team would be heaven. The Sixers are not going to be able to move him and need to just bite the bullet and pay the cost through next season. He will pretty much delay their rebuild by a year, but you never know what superstar might be on the block next year and how a salary of over $21mil off the books is an incredible bargaining chip.
I'd take Webber back, but not with AI. Together they suck. I'd take Webber in a trade where AI goes somewhere else.
 
In the next 36 hours I think we see:

Bibby (12.5) + Corliss (6.5) + Garcia (1) = 20 million
For
AI (18.2) + Hunter (3) = 21.2 million

For what Ric Bucher basically said this morning, Bibby is the best player out there. They get a SOLID PG, a SOLID low priced Garcia, and an expiring contract in Corliess. Gives the 76’ers 14.6 million next year, with Bibby and Garcia, compared to AI’s 20+ million. Leaves the 76'ers with a little under 6 million to play with in the off-season.
I'd be very happy if that was the deal, though I'd like us to send K9 instead of Corliss for that bad contract, but this deal is very good and we get AI without giving up KMart or Artest and get a young tall Hunter who we really need.
 
I don't think it's a matter of sucking, just that he may not be worth what they're paying him. I don't personally like him as much as some people here because in my opinion his extremely low basketball IQ limits his effectiveness, but as a replacement for Kenny I'm all for it.
I could see Philly being willing to toss in Dalembert but only if they need to. But that would leave them with only Hunter at center. Shavlik Randolph just broke his leg (or ankle?) so they'd be short at the center position.

Dalembert gets blocks, but he gets almost as many goal tends. Yeah, I don't get the impression he's very bright. Or else he's still very green.
 
How's this trade sound???

Kings Trade:

Bibby
Martin
Thomas

Philly trades:

Hunter
Iverson
Iguadola


Trade works cap wise and I think it benefits both teams.
I'd do that, but I do love KMart as we all do so it would be hard, but we get a very young athletic freak in Iggy so that offsets the young imerging star thing in a way. I live the idea of AI and KMart together though. If this is what it takes to lose K9 and get a young Hunter, Iggy, and AI I say "where do I sign"? :D
 
I'd take Webber back, but not with AI. Together they suck. I'd take Webber in a trade where AI goes somewhere else.
You haven't had your coffee today, have you? :p

I love CWebb, I love what he has done here, and what he has meant to our organization as well as our city. With that said, bringing him back would not be the best move for our team.
 
I'd take Webber back, but not with AI. Together they suck. I'd take Webber in a trade where AI goes somewhere else.
Why? And who would be traded for his massive $20mil contract? Making a move for him means that we are officially giving up and going in to lottery/rebuild mode. The only way I would do that is if it meant trading Miller and KT away. That way, all signicant contracts would be off the books in the next couple of years, only leaving Salmons and SAR's reasonable numbers plus anyone else we hold on to and definite lottery picks to start over.
 
You haven't had your coffee today, have you? :p

I love CWebb, I love what he has done here, and what he has meant to our organization as well as our city. With that said, bringing him back would not be the best move for our team.
A passing big man with very high basketball IQ? I'd take him in a heart-beat. Either him or a younger Vlade Divac.