Allen Iverson thread - DAY TWO
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IF the deal were what the forum admin at ezekielbearsports claims (which I wouldn't bet on), then I would be worried too. AI + Ollie, who is not very different from Hart at twice the price and twice the contract length, in return for a load of guys with expiring contracts, and what is loooking like a reasonably early pick in a really exceptional draft.
AI is tempting bait, but there seems like a lot of downside in making the team older and locking up cap space, when we've been struggling to do the opposite. I hope that rumor is a crock.
AI is tempting bait, but there seems like a lot of downside in making the team older and locking up cap space, when we've been struggling to do the opposite. I hope that rumor is a crock.
Im going with the theory that someone else has pointed out...Iverson is probably one of the few poeple in this league that Artest would concede touches to as a number one option...Iverson is a bona-fade 30ppg scorer.
As of now you have Bibby, who isn't nearly the scorer AI is, and you have Martin, who just doesn't have it yet...Right now Artest can truley beleive he is number one.
Throw in AI who has been the best scorer in the league for years now, and you may have a idfferent mindset from Ron Ron...If not, he does have some head issues that I have looked the other way on.
As of now you have Bibby, who isn't nearly the scorer AI is, and you have Martin, who just doesn't have it yet...Right now Artest can truley beleive he is number one.
Throw in AI who has been the best scorer in the league for years now, and you may have a idfferent mindset from Ron Ron...If not, he does have some head issues that I have looked the other way on.
I definetely wouldnt like it if something DIDNT happen in the way of a trade soon, but I just get a feeling. Petrie has made some bonehead moves in the past couple years(not including the Christie trade, because Doug retired shortly thereafter and we at least got SOMETHING in Mobley for a half season). But it started with the Webber trade...then he signed Hart, then Woods, then Taylor, then let Williams go and keeping Taylor...of the recent, GP has really nothing to show in the way of good moves(outside of the obvious no-brainer for Artest that was 3 years in the making).
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He does.
I love the guy, but he's certifiable.
He's clearly been trying to force the issue here, and left Indiana after making a bunch of comments regarding the organization's need to feature him more prominently on the offensive side of the ball. He thinks he should be the number one option. Probably of the whole league.
We can look at the potential upside of combining their talent level -- each one, without doubt, is a proven superstar -- but we can't expect that they're suddenly going to change. Allen's got 10 years under his belt, and none of them have erased his reputation as a I'm-gonna-do-it-myself player. Ron's got enough zany/wacky in his past to suggest that he's severely disconnected from reality. If it happens, it either REALLY works or it REALLY doesn't.
I love the guy, but he's certifiable.
He's clearly been trying to force the issue here, and left Indiana after making a bunch of comments regarding the organization's need to feature him more prominently on the offensive side of the ball. He thinks he should be the number one option. Probably of the whole league.
We can look at the potential upside of combining their talent level -- each one, without doubt, is a proven superstar -- but we can't expect that they're suddenly going to change. Allen's got 10 years under his belt, and none of them have erased his reputation as a I'm-gonna-do-it-myself player. Ron's got enough zany/wacky in his past to suggest that he's severely disconnected from reality. If it happens, it either REALLY works or it REALLY doesn't.
If it does, great!
If it doesn't, we have Artest and AI as trade bait and a lottery draft pick.
I really don't like AI much, but the dude has talent. We've been bleeding talent for a couple years now, be nice to get some back instead of losing it all the time.
And, if say the Bibby and Corliss for AI idea carries any weight, we actually lose some salary this year (about $1.8 million).
If it doesn't, we have Artest and AI as trade bait and a lottery draft pick.
I really don't like AI much, but the dude has talent. We've been bleeding talent for a couple years now, be nice to get some back instead of losing it all the time.
And, if say the Bibby and Corliss for AI idea carries any weight, we actually lose some salary this year (about $1.8 million).
I just watched the News 10 Sports news and they said the Kings are involved in the Iverson sweepstakes, but it's to be a four team deal!
Philly - Iverson and unknowns
Sac - Bibby and unknowns
L.A. Clips - Magette and S. Livingston
and another unknown team.
So I hope Iverson comes to Sac...not sure how the others would work?
Also, they interviewed Bibby:
Bibby said he's not distracted by the trade rumors and that he's been traded before, so it doesn't bother him.
They even interview Kenny Thomas:
He said Bibby's not going anywhere and that if Bibby was traded that would be a mistake.
Philly - Iverson and unknowns
Sac - Bibby and unknowns
L.A. Clips - Magette and S. Livingston
and another unknown team.
So I hope Iverson comes to Sac...not sure how the others would work?
Also, they interviewed Bibby:
Bibby said he's not distracted by the trade rumors and that he's been traded before, so it doesn't bother him.
They even interview Kenny Thomas:
He said Bibby's not going anywhere and that if Bibby was traded that would be a mistake.
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News 10 said there might be a 4-team deal which would include -
76ers - Allen Iverson
Clippers - Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston
Kings - Bibby and another player
4th team unknown
NBAGURU beat me to it but I wanted to get the correct spelling of the players.
76ers - Allen Iverson
Clippers - Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston
Kings - Bibby and another player
4th team unknown
NBAGURU beat me to it but I wanted to get the correct spelling of the players.
I've got my fingers crossed...
Garcia + 1st is too much
I don't doubt that's the offer. King likely expects the counter of Bibby + Corliss. the KT stuff is for pipe dreams.
We could probably get Iverson for Bibby, Corliss, and the 1st.
The fact that we have so many ex-76ers is problematic. Maybe Bibby + Salmons, + Pot?
I'd probably prefer to keep as much youth as possible in this trade because it could turn out horribly. That said, this team has been disappointing this year, so I could watch a total meltdown and garner some sort of entertainment out of it.
Anyone else have a perverse desire to see Miller/Bibby/Kevin/Garcia traded for Sam/Iverson/Iggy
Then Phi can fire Cheeks, hire Adelman and have this lineup:
Miller/Webber/Corver/Martin/Bibby with garcia off the bench
Hilarious. that'd be my favorite team in the east by far. I'd probably be lying if I said I'd be rooting for the Kings vs. that team.
I don't doubt that's the offer. King likely expects the counter of Bibby + Corliss. the KT stuff is for pipe dreams.
We could probably get Iverson for Bibby, Corliss, and the 1st.
The fact that we have so many ex-76ers is problematic. Maybe Bibby + Salmons, + Pot?
I'd probably prefer to keep as much youth as possible in this trade because it could turn out horribly. That said, this team has been disappointing this year, so I could watch a total meltdown and garner some sort of entertainment out of it.
Anyone else have a perverse desire to see Miller/Bibby/Kevin/Garcia traded for Sam/Iverson/Iggy
Then Phi can fire Cheeks, hire Adelman and have this lineup:
Miller/Webber/Corver/Martin/Bibby with garcia off the bench
Hilarious. that'd be my favorite team in the east by far. I'd probably be lying if I said I'd be rooting for the Kings vs. that team.
Looking at that I would have a great fear the way it might work out would be Bibby to LAC, Livingston/Maggette to Philly, Iverson to us. We are definitely in the Iverson market -- the big splash superstar market, and Geoff simply refuses to rebuild no matter how mediocre we become. Meanwhile the clippers secure their future by acquiring Cassel jr. But...jsut odd. Almost sounds more like a mismash jumble of multiple rumors ratehr than a coherent single.
Got this from a blog... some interesting points.
On Iverson himself in Sacramento, here are three big reasons it won’t happen:
1. Ron Artest. He didn’t sound too enthusiastic about bringing The Answer to Sactown, telling Sam Amick, “We had a nice little (run) last year. Had a chance to win a lot of games, do a lot of damage, and just need to build on that this year.” If he’s having a problem with not getting enough shots with Mike Bibby and Kevin Martin on his team…
2. John Salmons. Salmons escaped Iverson this summer. After the investment Geoff Petrie put into Salmons, it’d be ridiculous to put him in a bad situation.
3. Kevin Martin. Young scoring shooting guards don’t exactly blossom around Iverson, do they? Petrie and the Maloofs know how important Martin’s continued growth is, and they won’t risk that.
Fear not though, friends. There is good to come from the Kings entrance into the foray. Like…
Mike Bibby and Kenny Thomas to Philadelphia, AI to Denver, and Marcus Camby and Andre Miller to Sacramento?
Tell me you wouldn’t pull the trigger, even if it makes the Nuggets locks for the playoffs. Miller’s $8.6 million deal expires this year. Camby is locked up at around $8 million a year until 2010.
Your three bigs rotation that currently is Brad Miller/Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Kenny Thomas is now Miller/Camby/Abdur-Rahim. Miller hasn’t been a power forward for a couple years, but he had his best months in Sacramento at that position.
Adding Camby instantly juvenates the defense as the team builds around one of the best perimeter defenders in the game (Artest) and one of the best shotblockers/rebounders in the game (Camby).
Andre Miller isn’t a world-beater, but he is the most durable point guard on the planet (80+ games in all 7 seasons) and takes fewer shots than Bibby. And while Bibby’s contract situation is a question mark, Miller comes off the books for sure this summer. If it works, resign him. If not, c’est la vie! Let this deal happen, je vous en prie.
On Iverson himself in Sacramento, here are three big reasons it won’t happen:
1. Ron Artest. He didn’t sound too enthusiastic about bringing The Answer to Sactown, telling Sam Amick, “We had a nice little (run) last year. Had a chance to win a lot of games, do a lot of damage, and just need to build on that this year.” If he’s having a problem with not getting enough shots with Mike Bibby and Kevin Martin on his team…
2. John Salmons. Salmons escaped Iverson this summer. After the investment Geoff Petrie put into Salmons, it’d be ridiculous to put him in a bad situation.
3. Kevin Martin. Young scoring shooting guards don’t exactly blossom around Iverson, do they? Petrie and the Maloofs know how important Martin’s continued growth is, and they won’t risk that.
Fear not though, friends. There is good to come from the Kings entrance into the foray. Like…
Mike Bibby and Kenny Thomas to Philadelphia, AI to Denver, and Marcus Camby and Andre Miller to Sacramento?
Tell me you wouldn’t pull the trigger, even if it makes the Nuggets locks for the playoffs. Miller’s $8.6 million deal expires this year. Camby is locked up at around $8 million a year until 2010.
Your three bigs rotation that currently is Brad Miller/Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Kenny Thomas is now Miller/Camby/Abdur-Rahim. Miller hasn’t been a power forward for a couple years, but he had his best months in Sacramento at that position.
Adding Camby instantly juvenates the defense as the team builds around one of the best perimeter defenders in the game (Artest) and one of the best shotblockers/rebounders in the game (Camby).
Andre Miller isn’t a world-beater, but he is the most durable point guard on the planet (80+ games in all 7 seasons) and takes fewer shots than Bibby. And while Bibby’s contract situation is a question mark, Miller comes off the books for sure this summer. If it works, resign him. If not, c’est la vie! Let this deal happen, je vous en prie.