tyguy
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Historically a + 1 net rating isn’t getting you into the playoffs in the west.
2022 Everything Free Agency/Trades Thread
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iowamcnabb
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I’m concerned with our defense just like everyone else but we need shooting and space just as bad. We are going to have to hope Coach can get enough team defense out of our squad to make up for the lack of individual defenders. If Fox gets his head out… and play up to his ability we might have a different trajectory
tyguy
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Yes, we do need shooting. I’m just pointing out that a + 1 net rating isn’t as good as you think. That shouldn’t be the goal you aim for.
SacTownKid
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Buddy was more proven though. Monk, while I think was never given much chance before, had a contract year after looking really marginal up to that point. For where the Kings sit it's too much of a gamble if the price is too high. The worst case scenario outweighs the potential of good 6th man IMO at 10 million a year.
Ozymandias
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It is! Detroit has massive Cap space too and the league getting better isnt going to slow down anytime soon, there's lots of very impressive talent on the horizon in the next few drafts
kingsboi
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yeah the Kings defense will have to excel at the point of attack rather than rim protection
kingsboi
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I'm hoping they aren't all 3 point chucking unicorns. I want some more Marcus Smarts, Cousins, Z Bo types in the league.
iowamcnabb
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Yes, we do need shooting. I’m just pointing out that a + 1 net rating isn’t as good as you think. That shouldn’t be the goal you aim for.
Sure, we just can’t solve all our problems with limited trade assets and the MLE. We are going to have to work on the fringes of the roster until we have more cap space the following season. It’s one of the reasons i was disappointed with the 37 trade. We need a young player to develop that we could potentially package with future picks to take a bigger swing.
Based on some very distant info I know about the Monks: It's not that they love LA, but it's that they absolutely love the Lakers organization.
Just my speculation now: I think it's probably because they showed more faith in him in a single year than the Hornets did in 4 combined. With that being said, I think him and his team would be idiotic to take a paycut for the Lakers. The league is a business and they'd trade him in a second if there was a deal that benefited them.
Just my speculation now: I think it's probably because they showed more faith in him in a single year than the Hornets did in 4 combined. With that being said, I think him and his team would be idiotic to take a paycut for the Lakers. The league is a business and they'd trade him in a second if there was a deal that benefited them.
Well the martins are high IQ, low usage, guys with good ball handling and solid (albeit it not great defense) and great shooting. Will cost a fair bit less than Monk and defend and facilitate far better than him.
With respect to the Kennard deal, they will likely need to move off him in order to sign Wall. Harkless would likely be waived by them and this gives them money and a prompt contributor who fits what they were missing after the departure of Montrezl Harrel (subing Jr Uh Oh for Uh Oh). Kennard has spend time between 2 and 3 his entire career. I think as a backup to Barnes, he is far better than any player we have had since barnes has been here. Frankly, he is better at SF than any SF in the last 10 years for the kings not named barnes. And he can slot into the starting 2 guard spot (and martins can slot into backup 3 spot) very easily if VO goes lame on us again. He would give up some on defense but not nearly as much as Monk does and his offense is perfect next to fox and mitchell. He also, in my opinion is better tha Huerter overall and this way gives this team more balance than Barnes and Holmes and a FRP for Collins and Huerter.
As for your point on Bamba, yeah i generally agree with you but no-one heard the Hawks swooping in to steal Murray from the suitors either so who knows. Most likely he won't get a better offer than $10-12M per year. He also likely won't have nearly the playing time that he would get in the variety. Of looks but as for whether it happens or not, i agree, its a bit of a pipe dream (an Armchair GM exercise if you will).
Hartenstein would be acceptable as well, and short of that, resigning Jones on a $2-3M/yr deal.
Ozymandias
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I think you will like Cam Whitmore in next years draft!
captain bill
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I’m wondering if the DDV move could be at all related to the Sabonis timeline. The hard clock of his contract extension means he might not fit. Kings might see Donte as a risk to possibly not be fully healed into next year or needing a longer term rehab to get back into form. The FO obviously sees value in his game and his health was improving so idk why they’d let him leave. Agents being mad about PT is possible but at the end of the day money in Sacramento is green, too. Drafting Murray was very obviously on the short timeline and this move could be too - burning future assets to try to get the short term result
Ozymandias
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this is a solid point. Kings cant hope to solve all their ills with just 2 MLE's. The important thing is we get peices that are going to help what we have in place already and be steps in the right direction, and also that arent going to end up as high risk/fat on the cap that hinder our flexibility next summer.
Tetsujin
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Ozymandias
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I still dont believe there's really a market for DDV at that 7mil per season price and that the kings would've been bidding against themselves picking up the Q/O.. This is a guy who shot 36% from the field last season. I really wonder what kind of offers posters making these claims about DDV think he's about to get...
As for whats in the bold, i firmly believe that doesnt make much sense at all.. I dont think thats 'very obvious'.. Keegans gonna be the youngest player on the roster.. how's that a 'short timeline' move.. I dont get it..
serbiangoat
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I watched a bit of him for Team USA u18's in the America's cup a few weeks ago on the FIBA youtube channel and the athletic ability was insane.
Ozymandias
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It sounds like you want Cody Martin over Caleb Martin and I think their both RFA's. Caleb I'd argue is not the facilitator that Monk is. Monk was at a career high 3 ast per game last season.
I think that Malik Monk's first step is definitely worth mentioning, I like the idea of giving Fox a guard who he can get the ball to and is gonna try to blow past his defender like Monk does, and when you look at the other options this summer, there's not really those type of guys, Monk has a nice floater too if he gets near the paint. I think this added quickness could lead to better ballmovment. Monk is good at passing out of his drives and was conducting the pick and roll for the lakers. If we're being honest he's not that tall so I think he was always preparing some PG type skills and thats paid off. But being a threat to pass helps his cutting game as well.
Any post about Monk should also just have a mention that him and Fox had really good chemistry in college, and not even just with the caveat of "for some freshman" just for any pair of college teammates in recent memory, and not just offensively but they both love to jump the passing lanes to try create a fast break. plus theyre both much better players now then they were then.
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Chupacabra
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Kindly put some respect on Terence Davis's name. He is a 2 guard, after all. I imagine a geek in the room with Monte told him that the increase in production from TD to DDV was marginal to the point that it does not merit spending an additional 10 mil per year to get it from DDV. If TD can stay healthy then I might agree.
serbiangoat
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Man the Kings should have been all over trading for Will Barton he can play the 2/3 and is a shot creator I wonder if the Wizards would be willing to trade him if Beal bails and they might tank.
I would be good with Monk. He was my #2 guy back in Feb when starting to look at this FA class for potential buy-low young guys that can core pieces moving forward. It's putting all our eggs in Brown being a defensive genius, but I love basically every aspect of Monk's offensive game. His last 2 seasons have really been excellent as a shooter/scorer, he gives you secondary playmaking, he fits in with high USG stars, he has built-in chemistry with Fox (I assume they're friends?), you can plug him with either Davion or Fox. At just 24 and entering his prime, he's very clearly worth a MLE contract that should keep it's value (or exceed it) for the full duration.
DDV is better and i'd rather have GPII, but Monk would be third on that list to fill the SG slot in FA. He doesn't give a fraction of their defense, but he is significantly better on offense.
DDV is better and i'd rather have GPII, but Monk would be third on that list to fill the SG slot in FA. He doesn't give a fraction of their defense, but he is significantly better on offense.
People think this indicates they want to work out a long-term deal with him. Don't think he's available.
Sounds like it could be true. Could the same be said for the Kings and DDV? I don't know much about the contracts and how they work lol
Kings49ers
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Oh I really like what TD showed last year, right now he’s injured though or coming back from it. I haven’t checked on it in a while. And while he showed well he’s still awfully unproven. If we land Monk, have TD as depth and a possible 2/3 player like Kennard, one of the Martin twins, Oladipo split time between the two positions I'm feeling much better. The point I was trying to make is this team isn’t going to do nothing at the 2 guard spot haha, but you are correct, I shouldn’t have left out TD haha.
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