2022 Everything Free Agency/Trades Thread

I don't think we will be that bad, I think we will be better than last year, but that's not saying much. If he tries, maybe Brown and his team can work him into a good defender, he made Wiggin's into a lockdown defender.
The Kings need to do what the Warriors changed the finals with, which was forcing right handed offensive players left. I personally think Wiggins was always pretty good defensively and just people loved to pile on to him because he was the #1 pick --- I was rooting for the Warriors becaue I wanted to see Wiggins get some vindication.

Maybe Im overreacting saying the Kings will be atrocious defensively. What worries me is the points in the paint.. If somehow they can become even middle of the pack in defending the paint, i'll consider that a huge step in the right direction, but thats also why I dont think someone like DDV really gets the job done there, and we're sorta splitting hairs. I think its a good idea to just improve the outside shooting n trade 2's for 3's.
 

gunks

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I don't think we will be that bad, I think we will be better than last year, but that's not saying much. If he tries, maybe Brown and his team can work him into a good defender, he made Wiggin's into a lockdown defender.
While we're in an optimistic mood, I prefer the scenario where Brown turns Fox into a impactful enough defender that we can "hide" players like Monk.

His shooting would be great for our offense, can't debate that!
 

Capt. Factorial

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Sure, but at the same time, the Knicks have been actively trying to move the guy for the last year so I feel like there’s some underlying stuff that should be keeping his value down more than it currently is.
Maybe he's a locker room cancer. I can't speak to that. But his numbers say Superstar Who Can't Stay On The Court 40 Minutes. I'm really on board for that at $15M per year.

But yeah, sure, the fact that the Knicks can't seem to commit to him is curious. Is he gonna pull a Miles Bridges? Or is he a DeMarcus Cousins - i.e. a talent that is worth the distractions? Heck if I know. I can just watch him play and look at BBRef and be like, "Damn, I'd sign that dude."
 
While we're in an optimistic mood, I prefer the scenario where Brown turns Fox into a impactful enough defender that we can "hide" players like Monk.

His shooting would be great for our offense, can't debate that!
I dig it. Brown has said that he was impressed with Fox's defense years ago when he first met him. So if he can pull that out of Fox I'll be pretty happy.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
the Monk Fox backcourt was possibly one of the funnest college basketball backcourts I’ve ever seen. Offensively, Monk would give us pretty much everything Buddy Hield did while also being slightly (but barely) more useful on defense and comes with the added benefits of being cheaper, younger, and BFFs with one of our stars.

He’s also not gonna give us as many “Buddy gonna Buddy” moments.
 

The behind the back crossover he hits Jalen Brunson with whos about to get 100million+ tomorrow @1:27

Regardless of effectiveness, the Kings will be much more fun to watch.

I think its good to have 2 electric atheletes who are slippery with the ball next to Keegan Murray who can sorta pick his spots and do his thing smoothly.
 
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The Kings should trade for Poku and hope he breaks in the next few seasons, he's only 5 months older than Chet and the OKC have way to many wings with Giddy, Dieng and Bazley probably others I'm forgetting. I rather take a swing on him than Mo Bamba.
 
The Kings need to do what the Warriors changed the finals with, which was forcing right handed offensive players left. I personally think Wiggins was always pretty good defensively and just people loved to pile on to him because he was the #1 pick --- I was rooting for the Warriors becaue I wanted to see Wiggins get some vindication.

Maybe Im overreacting saying the Kings will be atrocious defensively. What worries me is the points in the paint.. If somehow they can become even middle of the pack in defending the paint, i'll consider that a huge step in the right direction, but thats also why I dont think someone like DDV really gets the job done there, and we're sorta splitting hairs. I think its a good idea to just improve the outside shooting n trade 2's for 3's.
Yeah, WIggins was always a decent defender, but I think he credits Brown to takign him to the next level. Which is good because he wouldn't be the only one that has said that about him. Additionally, Brown seems to be really creative with his defensive schemes, I seem to remember many people raving with how the Warriors were playing a unique type of defense. Hopefully he can bring some of that thinking to the Kings.

Sabonis is a solid defender, and when paired with a weakside shotblocker on the Pacers they were a pretty elite defensive duo. They definitely weren't the problem on that Pacers team. Murray is no Turner obviously, but he was a pretty good weakside help defender/shotblocker in college, hopefully it transfers.
 
Monk could blossom and looked good with minutes in LA but a full MLE contract for a guard that isn't known for his ability to switch up isn't worth it at this point.
 
Mitchell is an interesting case. I know in years past there were rumblings he wanted to be a feature on offense. Similar to Wood. Those guys never want to be relegated to defense
 
With regards to Davis, he and DDV both have a penchant for gunning (which TD is better at), but he doesn't have the off-ball defense, playmaking, or off-ball movement. In fact, he's pretty useless without the ball in his hands.

As for Monk, I really can't get all that excited. We need 3/D players and DDV is closer to that mark than Monk is (His "3" is more functional than Monk's "D")

I'd rather have DDV than either of them. Actually, I'd only really be satisfied if a Luke Kennard deal goes through as a semi-realistic option.
 
I’d argue that even if he ends up being a 6th man offensive spark plug that would have 40 mil dollar value. We gave 20 to one dimensional Buddy couple years back.
We gave Buddy that deal because he was putting up 21 per on 43% from 3 at high volume and Joerger was hiding him on defense well enough to make Monk look like a chump by comparison.
 

kingsboi

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I don’t know if I like Atlanta’s trade for Murray after some additional thought. Murray is really best on the ball and has yet to prove he can hit threes consistently. Trae can maybe transition to off ball but who knows if that experiment will work. They gave up 2 unprotected picks and one unprotected pick swap several years down the road in addition to one protected. Could back fire. Maybe they are a team that puts together a package for Gobert to shore up their defense. Something like Collins, Okongwu and Hunter
Spurs made the right move in selling high on Murray right now. I think him being the primary ball handler in San Antonio inflated his stats and while I don't want to take away his impressive season, in Atlanta we will get a better idea of what type of player he really is in my view.
 
We gave Buddy that deal because he was putting up 21 per on 43% from 3 at high volume and Joerger was hiding him on defense well enough to make Monk look like a chump by comparison.
I just don’t think 10 mil a year for a guy who shoots 40 percent from 3 at 24 years old is out of range especially with the cap going up. That’s a contract that is movable if needed down the road imo
 
Does anyone remember that the bane of our existence over the last 16 years has been abysmal, sometimes historically bad defense? Monk doesnt solve that, (exacerbates it when compared to DDV). Collins does and Huerter dont solve it either... In any way. In fact Huerter to me screams like the type of player who flourished on every team except the Kings (ala George Hill). I'd expect a massive step back from him if he is here (no basis for this, but just my gut feeling). Collins I'd be fine with of we didn't just draft Keegan (who frankly is a 4/3 NOT a 3/4). If you were drafting an older player, i wouldnt mind puttinf Keegan on the bench for a year or 2 to develop, BUT a move for Collins is a foundational move for your franchise, especially with the time on his contract. So bringing him and Keegan together doesn't make a ton of sense to me (Keegan is not a good enough ball handler or facilitator to play wing full time).

The problem is our depth problem at 3 now extends to 2 and we are for most intents and purposes, taped out with respect to available salary for impactful players. To my understanding, we curre tly have $106M in signed contracts, with an $8M caphold for Keegan. So $114M which leaves us currently with ~$8M in space. My understanding is that if we dont use this, we only have a cap-room MLE ($5.3M/yr for 2 years). If we use all $8M then we get the Non-taxpayer MLE ($10.3M/yr for up to 4 years, but it hard caps us to use it). We also a have a Bi-annual exception ($4M/yr for 2 years). So someone smarter than me can answer if the above and the following are reasonable per the CBA given where we are today...

1. Sign aMartin twin on $4M/year for 2-3 years (player options for 3rd year).

2. Get oladipo on BAE ($4m)and the other $4M from the available cap for $8M/yr for 2 years (2nd year player option). That puts us at the cap and allows us the full non-taxpayer MLE (for Bamba or maybe hartenstein).

3. Use the MLE to go for Bamba and promise to initially start him in a twin towers situation next to Sabonis as they can cover each others flaws (bamba stretches the floor and defends the paint whereas sabonis will direct the traffic minimizing bonehead plays from bamba), or throw some at Hartenstein.

4. Renounce Jones and trade Holmes and Harkless and 2 SRP for Luke Kennard

For Bamba, he would start the season at 4 but would also get significant minutes at Center when Murray plays. Despite the route, he will pull 20-25 min per game and make 8 figures. He gives us a security blanket in 2 years for if Domas decides to bounce.

For Oladipo he gets good money on a short term deal which protects him should the season go belly up again for him (by giving him an optioned $8m year if he needs it) but gives him an out to go make better paper should he deserve it. It also gets him back with his buddy (domas).

For Clippers, they it will give them a good target inside for John Wall (expected to sign with them) and PG13 to throw dimes to inside and breaks up kennards contract into an expiring piece (Harkless), and a more palatable piece (holmes)

It allows you to still have your FRPs and Barnes as key trade pieces.

Fox/Mitchell
Oladipo/Martin/TD
Barnes/Kennard/Holiday
Bamba/Murray/Lyles/Metu
Sabonis/Bamba/Len

I think there is good balance and solid shooting and reasonable perimeter and interior defense here especially if brown institutes as good system. I think it would at least be a 7 if not 6 roster.
 
Does anyone remember that the bane of our existence over the last 16 years has been abysmal, sometimes historically bad defense? Monk doesnt solve that, (exacerbates it when compared to DDV). Collins does and Huerter dont solve it either... In any way. In fact Huerter to me screams like the type of player who flourished on every team except the Kings (ala George Hill). I'd expect a massive step back from him if he is here (no basis for this, but just my gut feeling). Collins I'd be fine with of we didn't just draft Keegan (who frankly is a 4/3 NOT a 3/4). If you were drafting an older player, i wouldnt mind puttinf Keegan on the bench for a year or 2 to develop, BUT a move for Collins is a foundational move for your franchise, especially with the time on his contract. So bringing him and Keegan together doesn't make a ton of sense to me (Keegan is not a good enough ball handler or facilitator to play wing full time).

The problem is our depth problem at 3 now extends to 2 and we are for most intents and purposes, taped out with respect to available salary for impactful players. To my understanding, we curre tly have $106M in signed contracts, with an $8M caphold for Keegan. So $114M which leaves us currently with ~$8M in space. My understanding is that if we dont use this, we only have a cap-room MLE ($5.3M/yr for 2 years). If we use all $8M then we get the Non-taxpayer MLE ($10.3M/yr for up to 4 years, but it hard caps us to use it). We also a have a Bi-annual exception ($4M/yr for 2 years). So someone smarter than me can answer if the above and the following are reasonable per the CBA given where we are today...

1. Sign aMartin twin on $4M/year for 2-3 years (player options for 3rd year).

2. Get oladipo on BAE and the other $4M from the available cap for $8M total for 2 years (2nd year player option). That puts us at the cap and allows us the full non-taxpayer MLE (for Bamba or maybe hartenstein).

3. Use the MLE to go for Bamba and promise to initially start him in a twin towers situation next to Sabonis as they can cover each others flaws (bamba stretches the floor and defends the paint whereas sabonis will direct the traffic minimizing bonehead plays from bamba), or throw some at Hartenstein.

4. Renounce Jones and trade Holmes and Harkless and 2 SRP for Luke Kennard

For Bamba, he would start the season at 4 but would also get significant minutes at Center when Murray plays. Despite the route, he will pull 20-25 min per game and make 8 figures. He gives us a security blanket in 2 years for if Domas decides to bounce.

For Oladipo he gets good money on a short term deal which protects him should the season go belly up again for him (by giving him an optioned $8m year if he needs it) but gives him an out to go make better paper should he deserve it. It also gets him back with his buddy (domas).

For Clippers, they it will give them a good target inside for John Wall (expected to sign with them) and PG13 to throw dimes to inside and breaks up kennards contract into an expiring piece (Harkless), and a more palatable piece (holmes)

It allows you to still have your FRPs and Barnes as key trade pieces.

Fox/Mitchell
Oladipo/Martin/TD
Barnes/Kennard/Holiday
Bamba/Murray/Lyles/Metu
Sabonis/Bamba/Len

I think there is good balance and solid shooting and reasonable perimeter and interior defense here especially if brown institutes as good system. I think it would at least be a 7 if not 6 roster.
Im not crazy about the Martin twins but if we could land Bamba and Oladipo that would be far beyond my expectations for this free agency.

Also the Kennard trade in this post seems a bit far fetched (and also listing him at SF not SG when he's got like a 6'3" wingspan)

I've kinda been looking at this long list of teams reportedly interested in Bamba and not seeing the Kings on there and come to terms they arent going to go after him though.
 
I wonder if this is the most stacked the NBA has ever been? So many teams are playoff hopefuls and most of the really bad teams (Houston, Detroit, OKC and Orlando) are stacked with young talent