steelevt
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Draft a wing, take a flyer on DSJ. Oh well
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sactowndog
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I wonder if PHX signs him
White_Chocolate
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Lol. This is why fans don’t manage teams haha. DSJ has been garbage ever since he was moved from Dallas. Terrance Davis is already way more advanced as a player in this league
They won't, they used their "flier" spot on Elf Payton
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I don't think the Celtics have the cap space to take him on directly and the Lakers are super into Buddy Hield. Maybe we can change this into a three way and get a Nesmith or Langford and a pick or two package for him.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
I know we need to get rid of him to open the young backcourts minutes, but trading Buddy for the the guys we laughed at all last season for Barnes after the dreams of getting a player that would at least matter would be so on brand for the Kings
steelevt
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So you rather draft a pg when we only have Barnes as a sf who mainly plays the 4, and though we already had a crapload of guards including 3 point guards?
You take flyers on a position you are not deficient in. If it doesn’t pan out, no loss. We needed a wing, there were wings available in the draft. It’s not rocket science. I thought a monkey could figure it out. Apparently monte isn’t the only one that doesn’t see it.
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
To be fair, I had no issue trading Buddy for that package. Trading Barnes, who is a 6'7"/6'8" big wing (pretty much the single most important position in the NBA at this point) on a declining contract on the other hand, was a bit harder to swallow, especially when Ainge was trying to get it done with a package of Nesmith+a second round pick or whatever.
White_Chocolate
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Yes. When the BPA is a pg. You figure it out after the fact. Drafting for a fit is a loser’s game. We’ve done that for too long. Look where it has landed us. The fact that you think DSJ is a legitimate option makes me very concerned about your ability to evaluate talent. He literally couldn’t crack the rotation on the Knicks should tell you everything you need to know
steelevt
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Sure worked for khan drafting all point guards or Vlade drafting a bunch of centers. Yup they sure figured it out, all the way to the bottom of the west.
sactowndog
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Nesmith + Thompson + a pick that ended up 16 overall.
I don't think the problem with Vlade was that he drafted too many centers that were BPA. I think the problem was that they turned out to NOT be BPA. Same with Kahn and PGs. Portland didn't pass on McCollum just because they had Lillard, and it was the right move. Philly didn't pass on Embiid because they had Noel, and it was the right move. Then, Philly didn't pass on Okafor because they had Noel and Embiid, but it turned out to be a bad decision not because the frontcourt was full, but because Okafor turned out not to be the best player available by a long shot.
steelevt
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So would you draft davion with fox, haliburton and delon at pg? This isn’t consensus bpa like MJ or embiid or whatever. This could very well be Flynn or papa g. Those were their respected gm’s bpa. Not consensus bpa. When haliburton fell to us I understood. If Suggs or Cade fell to us I’d understand. Davion is a reach. I hope he is our McCollum but now you “figured it out” by sending Wright away for TT
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Yeh only time will tell who was the best player available. I don't think Davion has a particularly good chance of being that guy considering we see him as a back up. I do think he is a safe bet to have a 10 + year career as an above average player and at 9 that is pretty good value. The guy can play right NOW. The defense and his ability to get to the rim will translate. His leadership and demeanor will translate. The shot is still up for debate.
Bouknight and Sengun are the two guys I'll be watching for the crown of BPA. Then again maybe it will be some surprise second rounder.
Bouknight and Sengun are the two guys I'll be watching for the crown of BPA. Then again maybe it will be some surprise second rounder.
Iced Espresso
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That's why you don't trust GM's and draft what fans like for example Luka.
sactowndog
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I think Moody, Zaire Williams or Jalen Johnson could be the ones we regret. Of course the other two could be busts
sactowndog
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was it? I suspect had Portland taken a risk of Giannis instead of the safer CJ pick they would have been happier.
Buddy and Barnes are VERY different trade assets. Regardless of our current team construction
KingsFanSince85
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You’re just citing examples that support your belief. Do you want to see a list of counter examples that don’t? Because there are many of them.
Telemachus
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Here's an example closer to home. The Kings had drafted BMac & Stauskas in consecutive drafts. When some suggested that Devin Booker would be a good player many said you can't draft a SG 3 years in a row. Wonder how that would've worked out?
EIM86
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yah picking with the most talent and highest potential is the way to go. Monte has it right when it comes to that. Now we just gotta wait and see if he was right or at least pretty right
Also BMac and Stauskas were exhibits due to "consensus player" being available and an owner who knew everything. ugggh. best not to revisit the final magoof and double-bonehead early years of vivek.
Telemachus
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It doesn't really matter where we had Mitchell, it matters where the Kings had him on their boards. I will say this, he wasn't a reach at 9. Most draft experts had the Warriors taking either Bouknight or Mitchell with the 7th pick. You have to look pretty hard to find one that didn't have him in their top 10.
Everyone always says to "take the best player available"; but the moment a team does, they get criticized for taking a player that doesn't fit.
Vlade's talent evaluation was just terrible... plain and simple. He whiffed on 7 of 8 first round picks and he whiffed on 2 summers of having an enormous FA budget to do literally anything at all to further the team.
The one thing we know about McNair is he absolutely is sticking to his BPA big board. He drafted Hali with Fox/Buddy and the RFA rights of Bogi. Vlade almost 100% would have passed because we didn't "need" another guard. Then does the same thing again this year with Mitchell with Fox/Hali coming off 3rd in ROY voting, Buddy on a massive contract, T Davis RFA rights and Delon Wright on a 1 year deal. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.
I hate to say it, but if there was a consensus BPA at #9 this year, it was probably Mitchell. As I tried to make clear in my previous post, you are confusing two ideas: 1) Taking a bad player who you think will be good a player and 2) Taking who you think is the best player when he contributes to a positional logjam. #1 is always a bad outcome, regardless of whether there is a positional logjam or not. #2 is almost always a good outcome as long as the player you think is the best player turns out to be close to the best player.
My draft would probably have been Jalen Johnson given the players available at #9 (and I would have been tempted by Isaiah Todd, particularly if he had better draft stock). Once Wagner went off the board, I probably would haave tried to trade down for something like OKC's 16+18, where both of those players would have been available, as well as Sengun. But I'm not GM. And if Monte thought that Davion was the clear BPA, that's who he should pick, regardless of fit. That's what I assume happened.
Davion was in no way a reach - he was being mocked as high as #7. If the major consequence of the logjam is that we had to send off an OK backup PG for a backup center, that's really not a huge deal.
Yeah, and there are 40 teams that wish they picked Jokic. The point isn't that you "lose" the draft if you don't find the surprise all-star, the guy who is absolutely the best player who was available when all is said and done. The point is that you DON'T "lose" the draft by picking a very good player who creates a positional logjam. (And, do you really think that if Portland shied away from McCollum for positional reasons that they'd have gone with Giannis? I doubt it. What if they go with Shabazz Muhammad?)
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Nail. Hit. On. Head.
The tactic of drafting BPA is very sound. But regardless of drafting BPA or for need, the downside will always be drafting a player that doesn’t develop into the player that is expected.
Dongoodboy
Bench
At the end of the day it is the result that matters. I do agree Monte is taking extra pressure drafting his perceived BPA while having two gems in that position. We will see how it pans out. I do hope some more moves coming because I am afraid we will still be out of PO this year.
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